Short answer: incorrect toe angles.CMIIMW.

Any computer print-out or phone camera picture on specific readings , including Rear alignment angles?
....... unlike alignment angle picture in Post #1 which is NOT complete,
without Rear alignment angle readings.


Mind sharing what car model is that?

I suppose your Front suspension is MacPherson type, just guessing.

What about rear suspension type?

Is it Independent suspension or non-Independent types?

If non-Independent, is it Rear live/dead/fixed axle type (like Avanza) or Rear Torsion beams (like -2015 Prius) or ...........???

2016-up Prius is NOT rear torsion beam type!

I know most owners do not know all the above details about their own cars...... and that's forgiven imo,
however at least provides Car models and Model Year..........
which would help (a lot of) other readers here to better understand your context and circumstances, and comment accordingly if need be.

Otherwise, most of us would be just blur blur......

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 28 2021, 12:29 PM

Sorry no picture. It is a 2010 honda city with torsion beam rear suspension.

Can explain more on when stop and moving? Mu steering wheel senget after alignment. The shop have to manually adjust without alignment machinr to make the steering straight again.

All readings were in green and none in red colours?
Actually, being all green is NOT good enough.
Did any one of your Rear angle readings in red?
I ask because Factory most likely does not provide rear alignment angle adjustments for a Rear Torsion Beam design. After-market? Not sure.

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 28 2021, 01:30 PM

You mean whilst driving straight ahead, I suppose?

Either way during testing do you:
a )let go steering wheel with both hands off OR,
b )either or both hand(s) has to 'hold tight' to the steering wheel?

Steering wheel off centre whilst driving straight ahead?

Pointing towards 11 o'clock (Left) or 1 o'clock direction (Right)?

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 28 2021, 01:38 PM

That is why majority of car owners like us pay buta-buta for so-called the alignment service BUT end up with 'cannot pakai' or unsatisfactory alignment jobs including me, which is as good as NO alignment job was done.

This is part of my motivation in initiating this thread, so that we learn some knowledge and eventually make required 'demands' on those half-past-six alignment shops/tyreman scattering all over the towns.

Edit:
a )Is the car driving stable on straight highway fast speed, say around 110 km/hr or more?
b )and turning left and turning right equally firm and steady, or a bit nervous?

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 28 2021, 01:57 PM

All front in green. Cant remember the rear readings

Yes. Off center to the left

Assuming there is no suspension components being loose/faulty and absence of tyre conicity, most likely the Front and/or Rear toes are out.

Cambers may or may not be a problem.

In this scenario, one or more tyres (Front Left in particular) may get uneven tyre wear in times to come.

How severe? I don't know as we have no data points at the moment.

I went back to same shop for foc re-alignment rectification job (7-10 days after the first alignment job) as my Avanza drifts/veers towards left whilst driving straight ahead with both hands off the steering wheel, hence I suppose you could go back to your shop with the above description of problems with a view of getting a re-do at FOC.

To snap phone camera pictures, try stay nearby right in front of computer screen snapping pictures away as the re-alignment job is being done, come back here for clarification if need be.

If your current Front suspension strut does not come with adjustable eccentric bolts for Camber adjustment, you may consider getting the eccentric camber bolts set sorted out and do up the Front camber at one go.

See if you can snap Rear alignment angles as well, never mind it may not be Factory adjustable for now.

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 28 2021, 05:44 PM

Front tyres are new. Change them 2 weeks ago fyi

With new tyres in Front, you can rule out tyre conicity as a cause of your current predicament.

Having said that, the overlays of nylon ply and/or steel belts circumferencially as such during the factory manufacturing process itself could also be causing tyres pulling or drifting to one side whilst driving straight ahead.

However, this is very rare indeed but it still happens. Such 'problematic' new tyres installed at Rear axle could go undetected until that particular tyre is installed on either of Front tyre in days ahead.

Hence I personally do install two new tyres at Front axle and not Rear, for this possible but rare scenarios.

One really need not unnecessarily worry about the above scenario of new tyre 'problem', until and unless a near 'perfect' alignment of all 4 wheels have been achieved (and this is NOT easy to attain) .......
failing which contributes to the super majority of drifting/veering one side, off centre steering wheel etc phenomena.

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 28 2021, 08:26 PM

On cars without Independent Rear Suspension systems (as most Asian cars are, which could be Rear Torsion Beam type or solid rear axle type) anyone has attempted on adjusting Rear cambers and/or Rear toes with 'parts' such as a shim like this or with any other 'methods' ?



Any recommendation of tyre shops and/or mechanics workshop in Klang Valley/Seremban/Malacca that can do rear camber and/or toe adjustment on cars with Rear torsion beam or solid axle well ?

Would like to consider this kind of service.

This post has been edited by zeng: Sep 27 2021, 07:25 PM

I wonder TS mentioned Ah Man Tyre Service on page 1 is the same as AH MAN TYRE SERVICE CENTRE SDN BHD (https://www.facebook.com/AHMANTYREBK5/about/?flyingspaghettimonster=page_internal)?

If yes, was thinking to go there to do my alignment & balancing. Anyone here have experience or got their alignment done here before? How's the service and price?

This is from Bandar Kinrara 5 Puchong, different from Post #2 Ah Man of Balakong.

Are they related ? IDK.

Why are you doing wheel alignment, if I may ask?

Uneven wear at front/rear, drifting to one side on straight ahead driving, steering wheel off-centre etc?

Share with us about your good/bad experience with this BK5 if any.

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 9 2021, 07:20 AM

I am following the SOP (mine anyway) of alignment, balancing and wheel rotation after every mandatory car service. Want to try somewhere else apart from Sunway area as I live in Puchong. Either Kinrara or Balakong area fine for me. Can ask TS if the Ah Man in Kinrara their A&B service is ok? I drive a SUV.

I only do tyre balancing ONCE throughout a tyre life when newly installed and I had not been doing any tyre rotation for like a decade or more.

All my current 2 pairs of XM2 (Front tyres about 75k kms and Rear tyres about 100k kms) are still at its original installed positions, though front tyres exhibit some uneven wear before Dec 2020 alignment as per post #1.

My car currently veers very slightly to the left when hands off the steering wheel during straight ahead driving after previous December 2020 alignment. Unlike previous position of accepting it as a matter of fact and make do with whatever I encounter, after initiating this thread some 10 months ago this time around I intend to re-do another alignment (not so soon yet though 12k km has lapsed) so that I can see with my own eyes actual Rear alignment angles (which I am ignorant of today) and hopefully an alignment shop can be found (which is hard to come by) to adjust my Avanza Front Cambers and Toes sort of 'exactly' to the value I want or 'insist' ......
as I come to realise now driving experience of whatever car one drives can be appreciably improved IF we get an 'ideal' set of alignment angles, never mind my Avanza with solid live axle has no Rear alignment adjustment capability.

Not sure your SUV comes with typical Preferred positive Front camber, which is not conducive for a little bit hard cornering you may want to consider reducing it to negative regime whatever factory specs.

Ah Man of Balakong adopts manual alignmenrt method, not sure about this Kinrara shop. I told myself to one day go for a Manual alignment method (Ah Man Balakong or Salak South guy) if and when several attempts by computer/laser methods fail to meet my requirement/satisfaction in several years to come.

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 9 2021, 09:50 PM

Seeing that this is the most current post on alignment, decided to come in here and offer myself as a lab rat. Ah Man Kinrara chief tuner was working 18 years in the Balakong branch before opening their branch here (yes, same owner).

Only see one guy doing all the work, the same guy mentioned above. Manual alignment and offer 3 weeks of "warranty'. Dissatisfy and can come back and get a re-tune during the period.

Had the service done ytd and have not had the chance to test properly (traffic jam kaw kaw) but driving the way home was ok (like normal before getting alignment done).

Will update here again if I had the chance in the coming weeks to properly "drive" the car.

zeng
You may want to have a look at
M. B. Liew Tyres Sdn. Bhd.
for manual alignment. Location in loke yew if this is nearer.
Late uncle lim cars all go to him for alignment.

Thank you Bro for your update/contribution on the 'background' of the Ah Man Kinrara whose chief has 18 years working experience under his belt in Balakong Branch.

This background gives me improved confidence on his skill levels and experience talks and by extension competence of Ah Man Kinrara but, who knows?

The test of the puddings is in the eating. Hence dirver feedbacks are appreciated for the benefits of other forumers in assessing the competence of a particular shop/alignment sifu.

By the way, what's the reason you think your car needs/requires a wheel alignment work .....
like pulling/veering to one side with straight ahead driving (temporarily hands off the steering wheel) or
feel nervous/unsteady or
hands must hold tight on steering wheels on straight driving, or
unpleasant/heavy turning effort or
unsteady cornering at relatively quick driving or
very sore eys/irritating with steering wheel cocked to one side? or
uneven tyre wear (in which corner) ? etc etc

Similarly after alignment now, do you encounter any of the above scenarios? Your driving experience/sensation resolved?

Note: By the way how much is the charges and how long a time it takes to do the (manual) job if you don't mind sharing with us?

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 17 2021, 07:03 AM

Wow Bro, another Manual method alignment shop here.

M. B. stands for Benz ? And late Uncle Lim's Benzs all go there, must be good quality I suppose?

Ok, this reference is linked to Post #2 summary of alignment shops .....

and appreciate any good/bad feedback from MB Liew's customers .

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 17 2021, 07:15 AM