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TSzeng
post Jun 21 2025, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(scoupe @ Jun 20 2025, 08:58 AM)
balancer weights ideally removed and then run it on the machine.

however i can tell you 90% of the shops the balancers have never been calibrated over the years. Another issue is the weights, some of these cheapo weights will have you chassing weights, keep adding and keep removing and back and forth. My personal rule, if i need to add more then 30g, i end up getting the shop to rotate the tire on the rim. and try again.


Generally concur with your position above, bro.

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one of the wheel balancers that i love are hunter's, normally only found in premium shops. These machines are spot on. Those shops cost more to do the balancing but ive never had an issue, and with the smart weight option, they will rotate the tire on the wheel to minimize the amount of weights used.
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Are you referring to Road Force Balancer, vs the conventional static/dynamic balancers commonly found in almost all local tyre shops?

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post Jun 24 2025, 11:49 AM

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Does anyonw know how much does Weng Tat Tyre Service or Kim Heng charges for Alignment and Balancing for Honda HRV?

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post Jun 24 2025, 02:54 PM

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yes the road force balancers are the best in my opinion. as they dont just sell u the machine, it also requires the team to periodically calibrate and maintain the machine
QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 21 2025, 10:17 AM)
Generally concur with your position above, bro.
Are you referring to Road Force Balancer, vs the conventional static/dynamic balancers commonly found in almost all local tyre shops?
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post Jun 24 2025, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(JON97 @ Jun 24 2025, 11:49 AM)
Does anyonw know how much does Weng Tat Tyre Service or Kim Heng charges for Alignment and Balancing for Honda HRV?
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Lately for a punctured tyre, I paid Kim Heng RM10 for balancing and RM3x(?) for internal mushroom patching.

Note: Internal patching is RM35, up from last year's RM30.

It charges RM10 for external plug type repair.

No idea for Weng Tat though.

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post Jun 24 2025, 04:50 PM

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I send my car for alignment as when drive straight the steering is turn right.....
But the shop when do alignment no pump all 4 tyre balance....
But after done, drive steering not steering to right anymore...
But when I send the same car few weeks again to check brake...
The alignment feel off and steering need turn to right abit to keep car straight....
Should I just send to service centre or find other shop?
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post Jun 24 2025, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 24 2025, 04:45 PM)
Lately for a punctured tyre, I paid Kim Heng RM10 for balancing and RM3x(?) for internal mushroom patching.

It charges RM10 for external plug type repair.

No idea for Weng Tat though.
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Oh ok RM 10 for balancing seems to be reasonable. Ive been to some charging RM15
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post Jun 24 2025, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jun 24 2025, 04:50 PM)
I send my car for alignment as when drive straight the steering is turn right.....
But the shop when do alignment no pump all 4 tyre balance....
But after done, drive steering not steering to right anymore...
But when I send the same car few weeks again to check brake...
The alignment feel off and steering need turn to right abit to keep car straight....
Should I just send to service centre or find other shop?
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IMO bring back to the same shop. If that still doesn't work. Then bring else where.

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post Jun 24 2025, 05:56 PM

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Hi guys. Can recommend 15inch tyre that can last long and good price?
Second car seldom drive, just need to replace the aging tyre since i saw a few small line crack on the side already. The current tyre around 3years old.
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post Jun 24 2025, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(JON97 @ Jun 24 2025, 05:46 PM)
IMO bring back to the same shop. If that still doesn't work. Then bring else where.
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plan bring to other shop....
but dont know which shop reliable as fear later kena chop....
i saw after they check the brake...
the balancing weight fall on floor....
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post Jun 24 2025, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(Alex9892 @ Jun 24 2025, 05:56 PM)
Hi guys. Can recommend 15inch tyre that can last long and good price?
Second car seldom drive, just need to replace the aging tyre since i saw a few small line crack on the side already. The current tyre around 3years old.
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As far as the technical manuals of branded tyre manufacturers across the world is concerned small hairline cracks, a few or many in the sidewall or tyre edges is NOT the criteria for the tyre to be replaced.

Besides, aftermarket tyres (of traditional branded manufacturers -western and Japanese) have a specified lifespan of 10 years after manufacturing dates as embossed on all sidewalls of all tyres.

I would expect manuals ( if available in English) of Korean and some or most of China brands available locally would mention it's lifespan of 10 years.

This 3 year old tyre has a long way to go, unless it's sidewall's structure is punctured - which is about the only criteria (other than bulges) for replacement of tyres below 10 years.



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post Jun 24 2025, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(Alex9892 @ Jun 24 2025, 05:56 PM)
Hi guys. Can recommend 15inch tyre that can last long and good price?
Second car seldom drive, just need to replace the aging tyre since i saw a few small line crack on the side already. The current tyre around 3years old.
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Even though you didn't drive often, make sure to always pump tire air. You still can use if there is hairline cracks. But not for heavy load or long distance only city speed and continue to monitor. Worst come to worse, replace with 2nd hand tire


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post Jun 25 2025, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jun 24 2025, 04:50 PM)
I send my car for alignment as when drive straight the steering is turn right.....
But the shop when do alignment no pump all 4 tyre balance....
But after done, drive steering not steering to right anymore...
But when I send the same car few weeks again to check brake...
The alignment feel off and steering need turn to right abit to keep car straight....
Should I just send to service centre or find other shop?
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Typically service centre is not good at getting 'near perfect' wheel alignment whereby:
1) Steering wheel is perfectly straight on and not crooked and pointed to either side while driving straight ahead on straight roads with both hands firmly holding tight to the steering wheel, as in your car currently, AND

2) All 4 tyres remain within the same lane not crossing over the white lane marking lines for 8 seconds or more at say, 90 km/hr constant speed on straight ahead driving on straight roads with both hands temporarily taken off the steering wheel (CAUTION).

I have been having both the problems above for past say, 3+ years undertaking 4-5 alignment jobs at 4-5 different tyre shops. The search for a really good wheel alignment is still on.

However, I do not have accelerated tyre wear problem for a long time.

Therefore I would suggest you search around for a really competent one, which is very very difficult to come by.

Good luck, and wish me luck too

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post Jun 25 2025, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 24 2025, 06:17 PM)
As far as the technical manuals of branded tyre manufacturers across the world is concerned small hairline cracks, a few or many in the sidewall or tyre edges is NOT the criteria for the tyre to be replaced.

Besides, aftermarket tyres (of traditional branded manufacturers -western and Japanese) have a specified lifespan of 10 years after manufacturing dates as embossed on all sidewalls of all tyres.

I would expect manuals ( if available in English) of Korean and some or most of China brands available locally would mention it's lifespan of 10 years.

This 3 year old tyre has a long way to go, unless it's sidewall's structure is punctured - which is about the only criteria (other than bulges) for replacement of tyres below 10 years.
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QUOTE(JON97 @ Jun 24 2025, 07:55 PM)
Even though you didn't drive often, make sure to always pump tire air. You still can use if there is hairline cracks. But not for heavy load or long distance only city speed and continue to monitor. Worst come to worse, replace with 2nd hand tire
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Thank you guys for advice. My current tyre is Conti CC7. I think i will bring my car to tyre shop and let them check to see if it still safe and in good condition so i dont need to change them.

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post Jun 25 2025, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 25 2025, 06:15 PM)
Typically service centre is not good at getting 'near perfect' wheel alignment whereby:
1) Steering wheel is perfectly straight on and not crooked and pointed to either side while driving straight ahead on straight roads with both hands firmly holding tight to the steering wheel, as in your car currently, AND

2) All 4 tyres remain within the same lane not crossing over the white lane marking lines for 8 seconds or more at say, 90 km/hr constant speed on straight ahead driving on straight roads with both hands temporarily taken off the steering wheel (CAUTION).

I have been having both the problems above for past say, 3+ years undertaking  4-5 alignment jobs at 4-5 different tyre shops. The search for a really good wheel alignment is still on.

However, I do not have accelerated tyre wear problem for a long time.

Therefore I would suggest you search around for a really competent one, which is very very difficult to come by.

Good luck, and wish me luck too
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Try changing absorber mounting. Suggest you go for ORI.

Mine used to do the same, until I change absorber mounting and no more having this issue. Apparently it was the so slight height that causes it.

Previously using
Japan Ori, have this issue
Change to OEM, even worse
Change to Ori, fixed
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post Jun 26 2025, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(JON97 @ Jun 25 2025, 10:01 PM)
Try changing absorber mounting. Suggest you go for ORI.

Mine used to do the same, until I change absorber mounting and no more having this issue. Apparently it was the so slight height that causes it.

Previously using
Japan Ori, have this issue
Change to OEM, even worse
Change to Ori, fixed
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Ok, just came back home from a visit to my mechanic who took another closer look at the conditions of front absorber top mountings vis-a-vis vehicle pulling/drifting to the left problem.

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My mechanic's verdict is :
the two front absorber top mountings are serviceable/good and do not require replacement.

Note: The hairline cracks as appears in the photos of the rubber mountings are NOT physically observable on the car itself.

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post Jun 26 2025, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 26 2025, 06:20 PM)
Ok, just came back home from a visit to my mechanic who took another closer look at the conditions of front absorber top mountings vis-a-vis vehicle pulling/drifting to the left problem.

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My mechanic's verdict is :
the two front absorber top mountings are serviceable/good and do not require replacement.

Note: The hairline cracks as appears in the photos of the rubber mountings are NOT physically observable on the car itself.
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Good to know. So now it is either tie rod, or lower arm. Or maybe RIM is slightly bend
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jun 24 2025, 04:50 PM)
I send my car for alignment as when drive straight the steering is turn right.....
But the shop when do alignment no pump all 4 tyre balance....
But after done, drive steering not steering to right anymore...
But when I send the same car few weeks again to check brake...
The alignment feel off and steering need turn to right abit to keep car straight....
Should I just send to service centre or find other shop?
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steering wheel turn right in straight line= car is drifting left. congrats we all same issue rclxm9.gif

QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 25 2025, 06:15 PM)
Therefore I would suggest you search around for a really competent one, which is very very difficult to come by.
Good luck, and wish me luck too
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fortunate for me to find a skillful young sifu to conduct alignment/ problem solving. without branded machine.
as he always mention to me "steering senget is not alignment problem".
i dont bother his speech whatever, just pay and get it done pls

QUOTE(Alex9892 @ Jun 25 2025, 07:39 PM)
Thank you guys for advice. My current tyre is Conti CC7. I think i will bring my car to tyre shop and let them check to see if it still safe and in good condition so i dont need to change them.
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cc7 still very new yet.
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post Jun 27 2025, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(scoupe @ Jun 24 2025, 02:54 PM)
yes the road force balancers are the best in my opinion. as they dont just sell u the machine, it also requires the team to periodically calibrate and maintain the machine
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Do you typically drive at road speeds above say, 140-150 km/hr on highways so much so that the cheapo static/dynamic balancing is inadequate and you prefer the more expensive Road Force Balancing?

I had never done a Road Force Balancing in all my driving experience despite recommendations by friends as I would normally max up at say,140 km/hr or thereabouts on highways and my personal feel suggests the normal static/dynamic balancing is more than adequate in typical driving.
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post Jun 27 2025, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jun 24 2025, 04:50 PM)
I send my car for alignment as when drive straight the steering is turn right.....
But the shop when do alignment no pump all 4 tyre balance....
But after done, drive steering not steering to right anymore...
But when I send the same car few weeks again to check brake...
The alignment feel off and steering need turn to right abit to keep car straight....
Should I just send to service centre or find other shop?
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So while driving straight ahead on a straight road or highway with both hands holding firmly onto the steering wheel, the steering wheel is off centre, crooked and pointing to either sides (pointing to right in your case).

This is abnormal and could be corrected with a wheel alignment to make the steering wheel pointing straight towards 12 o' clock direction.

My Avanza steering wheel used to be off centre and crooked pointing to the left before Oscar in Kemuning carried out shimming job (0.3 mm) on my Avanza Rear solid axle Right hand side some 1+ years ago.

After Oscar did a wheel alignment the crooked steering wheel is worst off but pointing to the Right (about 20 mm off basing on lighting stalk) this time. Vehicle pulling left remains as before the job. I was told by Oscar it's ok and it's like that one.

Some 2-3 months later I visited Single Dove (USJ19) for correction. Again vehicle is still pulling left like before and steering wheel is still crooked pointing to the right at about 3-4 mm till todate, though numerically an improvement over previous 20 mm off centre.

Again, I was told it's ok and is like that one.

Such is the way most or all of our local alignment shops is getting away with slip shod alignment workmanship milking away our hard earned money.
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post Jun 28 2025, 02:36 PM

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2008 VW Jetta GLI Mk5, Canada.

Owner install FK coilovers.

Before alignment:
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After alignment:
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Owner feedback:
While driving straight ahead on straight roads, steering wheel is slightly off centre and crooked pointing slightly to the right at about 12.02-12.03 direction.
12.00 direction being straight on.

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