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TSzeng
post May 8 2025, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ May 7 2025, 06:35 PM)
yes. tyre & all mess up d. i found another proper shop with knowledgeable young sifu.

after i mention to him, he test driving (long) before attach car to machine. just one time job. resolve with satisfaction.

btw it is generic brand not hunter
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After hearing your annoyance and then spending a 'longer' time test driving prior putting your vehicle on the alignment machine is an indication of his seriousness in identifying the real roots of misalignment.

It would be nice after test driving that he asks whether your prefer a tighter or looser steering wheel feel at turns like......

But alas our slipshod practitioners here...

Anyway it's nice that you're happy with the outcome and happy motoring with a nicely done wheel alignment job.....

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Calvin Seak
post Jun 19 2025, 08:58 AM

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Hey guys!

Planning to do tire swap and balancing with 3rd party shops instead of doing it at SC

Any shop to recommend in Klang Valley? I heard good things about

Btw do these shops remove the balancing weight or do they keep on adding more and more as time passes by if required?

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Is Kee Hin the go to and king of rims?
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post Jun 20 2025, 08:58 AM

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balancer weights ideally removed and then run it on the machine.

however i can tell you 90% of the shops the balancers have never been calibrated over the years. Another issue is the weights, some of these cheapo weights will have you chassing weights, keep adding and keep removing and back and forth. My personal rule, if i need to add more then 30g, i end up getting the shop to rotate the tire on the rim. and try again.

one of the wheel balancers that i love are hunter's, normally only found in premium shops. These machines are spot on. Those shops cost more to do the balancing but ive never had an issue, and with the smart weight option, they will rotate the tire on the wheel to minimize the amount of weights used.

QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jun 19 2025, 08:58 AM)
Hey guys!

Planning to do tire swap and balancing with 3rd party shops instead of doing it at SC

Any shop to recommend in Klang Valley? I heard good things about

Btw do these shops remove the balancing weight or do they keep on adding more and more as time passes by if required?

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Is Kee Hin the go to and king of rims?
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TSzeng
post Jun 20 2025, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jun 19 2025, 08:58 AM)
Hey guys!

Planning to do tire swap and balancing with 3rd party shops instead of doing it at SC

Any shop to recommend in Klang Valley? I heard good things about

Btw do these shops remove the balancing weight or do they keep on adding more and more as time passes by if required?

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Is Kee Hin the go to and king of rims?
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Hi Calvin,

I've been patronising Kim Heng SS14/1 for a decade or two for their quality workmanship and friendliness.
About a month ago they did an internal patching (not plug type) on my Avanza rear left nail-punctured tyre.
During tyre balancing, and to my'surprise' they took the trouble to zero out completely the unbalanced "outside 5 grams inside 5 grams combo" out-of-balance tyre on a non-steering rear wheel - a scenario some or most tyre shops would call it quit and consider job done.

Another tyre shop recommended by someone in this thread is Weng Tat along the same road, which I find it's space is tight and crowded.

Tyreplus- SL Car Care Klang is another tyre shop I would recommend.

Hope it helps.

Note: I visited Kee Hin some two years ago for a wheel alignment correction job on my Avanza, not for accelerated tyre wear problem which my Avanza didn't have, but for normal and 'simple' problems of car drifting/pulling to left hand side and steering wheel crooked/off centre to one side.
Instead of resolving them, the two problems had gotten worse immediately after the job.
Hence, beware of it's wheel alignment competency!

This post has been edited by zeng: Jun 20 2025, 06:04 PM
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post Jun 20 2025, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(scoupe @ Jun 20 2025, 08:58 AM)
balancer weights ideally removed and then run it on the machine.

however i can tell you 90% of the shops the balancers have never been calibrated over the years. Another issue is the weights, some of these cheapo weights will have you chassing weights, keep adding and keep removing and back and forth. My personal rule, if i need to add more then 30g, i end up getting the shop to rotate the tire on the rim. and try again.

one of the wheel balancers that i love are hunter's, normally only found in premium shops. These machines are spot on. Those shops cost more to do the balancing but ive never had an issue, and with the smart weight option, they will rotate the tire on the wheel to minimize the amount of weights used.
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Thanks Scoupe! Haha will look around if the shops that I head to have hunter's machine.. All my life I have actually only gotten the SC to do it for me, until the last time during my last service

I realised that the tires were not swapped and such a waste of time to head back to the SC to get them to swap, re-align and balance it again. The only reason I know it's because my front tires and rear tires are different brand

QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 20 2025, 11:14 AM)
Hi Calvin,

I've been patronising Kim Heng  SS14/1 for a decade or two for their quality workmanship and friendliness.
About a month ago they did an internal patching (not plug type) on my Avanza rear left nail-punctured tyre.
During tyre balancing, and to my'surprise' they took the trouble to zero out completely the unbalanced "outside 5 grams inside 5 grams combo" out-of-balance tyre on a non-steering rear wheel - a scenario some or most tyre shops would call it quit and consider job done.

Another tyre shop recommended by someone in this thread is Weng Tat along the same road, which I find it's space is tight and crowded.

Tyreplus- SL Car Care Klang is another tyre shop I would recommend.

Hope it helps.

Note: I visited Kee Hin some two years ago for a wheel alignment correction job on my Avanza, not for accelerated tyre wear problem which my Avanza didn't have,  but for normal and 'simple' problems of car drifting/pulling to left hand side and steering wheel crooked/off centre to one side.
Instead of resolving them, the two problems had gotten worse immediately *after* the job.
Hence, beware of it's wheel alignment competency!
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Thanks Zeng! Will definitely give Kim Heng a try next week..
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post Jun 21 2025, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(scoupe @ Jun 20 2025, 08:58 AM)
balancer weights ideally removed and then run it on the machine.

however i can tell you 90% of the shops the balancers have never been calibrated over the years. Another issue is the weights, some of these cheapo weights will have you chassing weights, keep adding and keep removing and back and forth. My personal rule, if i need to add more then 30g, i end up getting the shop to rotate the tire on the rim. and try again.


Generally concur with your position above, bro.

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one of the wheel balancers that i love are hunter's, normally only found in premium shops. These machines are spot on. Those shops cost more to do the balancing but ive never had an issue, and with the smart weight option, they will rotate the tire on the wheel to minimize the amount of weights used.
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Are you referring to Road Force Balancer, vs the conventional static/dynamic balancers commonly found in almost all local tyre shops?

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post Jun 24 2025, 11:49 AM

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Does anyonw know how much does Weng Tat Tyre Service or Kim Heng charges for Alignment and Balancing for Honda HRV?

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yes the road force balancers are the best in my opinion. as they dont just sell u the machine, it also requires the team to periodically calibrate and maintain the machine
QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 21 2025, 10:17 AM)
Generally concur with your position above, bro.
Are you referring to Road Force Balancer, vs the conventional static/dynamic balancers commonly found in almost all local tyre shops?
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post Jun 24 2025, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(JON97 @ Jun 24 2025, 11:49 AM)
Does anyonw know how much does Weng Tat Tyre Service or Kim Heng charges for Alignment and Balancing for Honda HRV?
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Lately for a punctured tyre, I paid Kim Heng RM10 for balancing and RM3x(?) for internal mushroom patching.

Note: Internal patching is RM35, up from last year's RM30.

It charges RM10 for external plug type repair.

No idea for Weng Tat though.

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I send my car for alignment as when drive straight the steering is turn right.....
But the shop when do alignment no pump all 4 tyre balance....
But after done, drive steering not steering to right anymore...
But when I send the same car few weeks again to check brake...
The alignment feel off and steering need turn to right abit to keep car straight....
Should I just send to service centre or find other shop?
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QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 24 2025, 04:45 PM)
Lately for a punctured tyre, I paid Kim Heng RM10 for balancing and RM3x(?) for internal mushroom patching.

It charges RM10 for external plug type repair.

No idea for Weng Tat though.
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Oh ok RM 10 for balancing seems to be reasonable. Ive been to some charging RM15
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jun 24 2025, 04:50 PM)
I send my car for alignment as when drive straight the steering is turn right.....
But the shop when do alignment no pump all 4 tyre balance....
But after done, drive steering not steering to right anymore...
But when I send the same car few weeks again to check brake...
The alignment feel off and steering need turn to right abit to keep car straight....
Should I just send to service centre or find other shop?
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IMO bring back to the same shop. If that still doesn't work. Then bring else where.

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Hi guys. Can recommend 15inch tyre that can last long and good price?
Second car seldom drive, just need to replace the aging tyre since i saw a few small line crack on the side already. The current tyre around 3years old.
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QUOTE(JON97 @ Jun 24 2025, 05:46 PM)
IMO bring back to the same shop. If that still doesn't work. Then bring else where.
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plan bring to other shop....
but dont know which shop reliable as fear later kena chop....
i saw after they check the brake...
the balancing weight fall on floor....
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QUOTE(Alex9892 @ Jun 24 2025, 05:56 PM)
Hi guys. Can recommend 15inch tyre that can last long and good price?
Second car seldom drive, just need to replace the aging tyre since i saw a few small line crack on the side already. The current tyre around 3years old.
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As far as the technical manuals of branded tyre manufacturers across the world is concerned small hairline cracks, a few or many in the sidewall or tyre edges is NOT the criteria for the tyre to be replaced.

Besides, aftermarket tyres (of traditional branded manufacturers -western and Japanese) have a specified lifespan of 10 years after manufacturing dates as embossed on all sidewalls of all tyres.

I would expect manuals ( if available in English) of Korean and some or most of China brands available locally would mention it's lifespan of 10 years.

This 3 year old tyre has a long way to go, unless it's sidewall's structure is punctured - which is about the only criteria (other than bulges) for replacement of tyres below 10 years.



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QUOTE(Alex9892 @ Jun 24 2025, 05:56 PM)
Hi guys. Can recommend 15inch tyre that can last long and good price?
Second car seldom drive, just need to replace the aging tyre since i saw a few small line crack on the side already. The current tyre around 3years old.
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Even though you didn't drive often, make sure to always pump tire air. You still can use if there is hairline cracks. But not for heavy load or long distance only city speed and continue to monitor. Worst come to worse, replace with 2nd hand tire


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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jun 24 2025, 04:50 PM)
I send my car for alignment as when drive straight the steering is turn right.....
But the shop when do alignment no pump all 4 tyre balance....
But after done, drive steering not steering to right anymore...
But when I send the same car few weeks again to check brake...
The alignment feel off and steering need turn to right abit to keep car straight....
Should I just send to service centre or find other shop?
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Typically service centre is not good at getting 'near perfect' wheel alignment whereby:
1) Steering wheel is perfectly straight on and not crooked and pointed to either side while driving straight ahead on straight roads with both hands firmly holding tight to the steering wheel, as in your car currently, AND

2) All 4 tyres remain within the same lane not crossing over the white lane marking lines for 8 seconds or more at say, 90 km/hr constant speed on straight ahead driving on straight roads with both hands temporarily taken off the steering wheel (CAUTION).

I have been having both the problems above for past say, 3+ years undertaking 4-5 alignment jobs at 4-5 different tyre shops. The search for a really good wheel alignment is still on.

However, I do not have accelerated tyre wear problem for a long time.

Therefore I would suggest you search around for a really competent one, which is very very difficult to come by.

Good luck, and wish me luck too

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QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 24 2025, 06:17 PM)
As far as the technical manuals of branded tyre manufacturers across the world is concerned small hairline cracks, a few or many in the sidewall or tyre edges is NOT the criteria for the tyre to be replaced.

Besides, aftermarket tyres (of traditional branded manufacturers -western and Japanese) have a specified lifespan of 10 years after manufacturing dates as embossed on all sidewalls of all tyres.

I would expect manuals ( if available in English) of Korean and some or most of China brands available locally would mention it's lifespan of 10 years.

This 3 year old tyre has a long way to go, unless it's sidewall's structure is punctured - which is about the only criteria (other than bulges) for replacement of tyres below 10 years.
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QUOTE(JON97 @ Jun 24 2025, 07:55 PM)
Even though you didn't drive often, make sure to always pump tire air. You still can use if there is hairline cracks. But not for heavy load or long distance only city speed and continue to monitor. Worst come to worse, replace with 2nd hand tire
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Thank you guys for advice. My current tyre is Conti CC7. I think i will bring my car to tyre shop and let them check to see if it still safe and in good condition so i dont need to change them.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 25 2025, 06:15 PM)
Typically service centre is not good at getting 'near perfect' wheel alignment whereby:
1) Steering wheel is perfectly straight on and not crooked and pointed to either side while driving straight ahead on straight roads with both hands firmly holding tight to the steering wheel, as in your car currently, AND

2) All 4 tyres remain within the same lane not crossing over the white lane marking lines for 8 seconds or more at say, 90 km/hr constant speed on straight ahead driving on straight roads with both hands temporarily taken off the steering wheel (CAUTION).

I have been having both the problems above for past say, 3+ years undertaking  4-5 alignment jobs at 4-5 different tyre shops. The search for a really good wheel alignment is still on.

However, I do not have accelerated tyre wear problem for a long time.

Therefore I would suggest you search around for a really competent one, which is very very difficult to come by.

Good luck, and wish me luck too
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Try changing absorber mounting. Suggest you go for ORI.

Mine used to do the same, until I change absorber mounting and no more having this issue. Apparently it was the so slight height that causes it.

Previously using
Japan Ori, have this issue
Change to OEM, even worse
Change to Ori, fixed
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post Jun 26 2025, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(JON97 @ Jun 25 2025, 10:01 PM)
Try changing absorber mounting. Suggest you go for ORI.

Mine used to do the same, until I change absorber mounting and no more having this issue. Apparently it was the so slight height that causes it.

Previously using
Japan Ori, have this issue
Change to OEM, even worse
Change to Ori, fixed
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Ok, just came back home from a visit to my mechanic who took another closer look at the conditions of front absorber top mountings vis-a-vis vehicle pulling/drifting to the left problem.

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My mechanic's verdict is :
the two front absorber top mountings are serviceable/good and do not require replacement.

Note: The hairline cracks as appears in the photos of the rubber mountings are NOT physically observable on the car itself.

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