The problem here is not 5-10mins late, it’s continuous lateness and it’s your attitude buddy.. your company has a strict policy either you follow them or like many have said, you have an option to leave. But if you choose to stay and wanted to change the policy and culture all I can say is good luck.

Another interesting things here, you asked an opinion from public forum and you didn’t listen, I don’t expect you to follow or take all the opinions, ppl provide their feedback based on their experience and there’s no right or wrong in that, you have an option to take whichever that applicable to your scenario which only you know best. However you choose to refute them with very unprofessional choice of words.

All I can say to you, all the best! and I believe attitude is most crucial element if you want to go further up.

Usually the lodging of such report should have been taken note by the Labour Dept, but I'm not surprised Malaysian employer sometimes releases salary 1-2 days late. If it happens frequent, make a report every time it happens.

Also, because of Covid/ pandemic, personally, some flexibility to the company for 1-2 days late esp companies that may have cash flow issue. If the company is habitually late, report them every time your salary is late. With high number of records or high frequency of complains (by other staffs as well), the authorities will need to take action.

You can read about this here:
https://fareezlaw.com/employment-law/employ...salary-on-time/

But really, usually such concern is when employers always pay late, or refused to pay when there's an ongoing dispute.

Somewhat agree. There's no justifying lateness (exception to occasional lateness ie. heavy rain, major accident etc) - otherwise it's indeed wrong in the first place. Companies that practices flexi hours would be suitable for those who prefer not to be tied down with 9-6pm kinda work.

Again 5-10mins late won't kill a mundane office job. What more the boss said he will only try out this department for 1/2 year before booting it. If he already has that kind of mindset so be it. Don't expect people to respect you when you can't respect them. Shit attitude begets shit attitude.

Sure if leaving and landing a new job guarantees better pay I'm sure every Malaysian would have done that. Flash news: not every Malaysians can do that. So why don't you get your company to hire all of us then? Shit attitude begets shit attitude.

Well rules are rules.
Just so that you probably need companies that have flexi working hour or less stringent with late 5 minute.
If late 1-2 hours once in a blue moon with valid reason is also okay geh.
It all depends on employment policy and flexi working hours or not

See where this issue and discussion is headed for? People can say its ok for bosses and management to do what they and it's "justified" with no hardline evidence to back them up. This is a clear case of "I can do this to you, but you cannot do the same to me." Until then, it's a push-pull workplace issue.

instead of asking why cant i be late for 10-15 min?

why not woke up 30 min earlier and come out 30 min earlier

if 1 weeks late 1 days, due to bad weather make it a habit to text yr manager to let him/her knws. i guess they wont make any noise.

but if 1 weeks every day late hard to justifies.

when you signed offer letter, you agreed to their working hour. so try ur best to abide by them.

you are right too. many chinaman company have this mindset because of discipline.

all my previous chinese bosses have the same discipline mindset when it comes to work - come in early and start the day fresh.
but now the generation is slightly laid back and take things for granted.

Too me its depends how value yourself and how the company values u,For my case as IT software i can come in office late as long as I deliver my tasks then they are ok with it.
Anyway my working time is 9.30 but i always arrive at 10.30am to 11 been doing it for years.Its depends on the nature of work and your discipline towards the work.We are in the software industry We have to work countless hours.A HR tried to do the same doing a clock in system (Web) i didnt even bother to login and clock,I never get any warning letter or any sort and my CEO will just come and buy me coffee and ask me to tried to be early.





Value yourself more then u value your company.

Another piece of advise value your clients more then your company.That is how you cari makan.

You sure provide in valuable advice.

To be honest, why would the ceo even ask you to try to be early? You really should get out of the company as soon as possible.

Actually you should hint to the ceo that if he tries to be funny, you may actually think of leaving the company.

Arriving to work on time can be settled in many ways. Eg. Staff may be rewarded for achieving certain targets, same as medical leave taken, etc

The issue is lack of recognition and lowered morale which leads to less motivation to support organization needs and hence the perception that contractual terms such as work hours may be broken because the company is a 'lousy place to work'.

This is then a sign of poor management which HR should help address.

A highly motivated workforce with clear reward incentives linked to meeting organisation goals do not have persistent punctuality issues

Lol, if they are so strict on this issue, just adhere to it but by 531 pm, ignore any communication from them.

ts can start own biz and hire workers....

be your own boss.....different perspective

Actually a highly motivated workforce do not even need to worry about punctuality issues.

Once you put punctuality as one of the "requirement" when punctuality is not actually required you introduce more politics into the company.

Now a person can say that he is a "better" worker just because he is more punctual then the others. But yet the others may be more productive.

It's a joke really if you think about the entire time in time out system.

If say I go back at say 6pm or 7pm. I reach home at say 8 or 9 after dinner, traffic jam etc. Do you think anyone would have mood to finish their work?

whereelse if i go back earlier. I rest a little bit. I still have hours left to work.

A good leader can make the team motivated if he really cares for the team.

On the other hand, a bad leader who introduce pointless sop like punctuality will always be left with incapable people in the team in the end.
People who only know how to bullshit instead of working properly. And their project end up to be a failure.

Because my sleeping time will be reduced??. when i need to reach office 8.45 which takes about 15minutes,i need to wake up at 7.50. Brush teeth, dressing, breakfast. Imagine the rushing

Punctuality does not only mean arriving and departing from office. It includes being on time say for meetings especially if one is chairing it. By extension, this trait contributes to the ability to provide timely delivery such as project deadlines as well et cetera.

Agree with you that there are many other ways to motivate and measure performance. However punctuality is a key character in any successful person as it shows we are mindful for those we interact with, our colleagues, team members, customers

Then sleep early?? See that's the problem with some people. They refuse to put in effort to follow procedures because they think it's fine and it's a small issue. The company is not wrong for giving warning if you're late and yet you still complain about it instead of actually doing something about it. If you want to complain, at least complain it to someone who CAN do something about it, like management. Maybe they'll see your reasoning and agree for you to come in late so you can have more sleep time.

Is this still stone age, fixed working hours? Most companies in Germany can let you work flexibly. You can clock in or clock out whatever time you want, as long as you fulfill your working hours for the week.

The issue here is arriving and departing from office.

Obviously everyone knows the importance of being on time for meetings. And also delivery of tasks on time.

Why are you changing the topic?

Sleep early then no time to wash clothes, cooking and do house corse. Do all this also need time. Then you suggest leave on time??. Again leave on time also boss red eye shoot up. See that's the problem its a vicious cycle with some people. Balik on time boss no like. A little few minutes late boss also no like

You see. That is the issue.

Unfortunately, you are dealing with drones .

Those people who follow all the rules are most of the time the incapable ones.