dun think i would need any signatures...
i used pyroclasm to clear it backed with 2 shriekmaw, 1 terror, 2 pacts, 2 sudden death...

my original decklist only has 2 shriekmaw and 2 sudden death...
it forced me to modify my deck haih...

anyways this sunday no tournament rite?

and i'm looking for: -
- 3 blue vivid
- 1 black vivid
- 1 shriekmaw
- 2 mulldrifter
- 4 remove soul
- 2 faeri trickery
- 4 rune snag

Pyroclasm is certainly a good card in this new standard Meta. Especially with the popularity of Goblins and Kithkin.

This is the winner of a recent Magicleague standard tourney.

Main Deck
11 Plains
3 Forest
4 Horizon Canopy
4 Brushland
4 Wizened Cenn
4 Knight of Meadowgrain
4 Goldmeadow Stalwart
3 Gaddock Teeg
4 Cenn's Heir
3 Cloudgoat Ranger
2 Thoughtweft Trio
4 Mana Tithe
3 Rebuff the Wicked
4 Oblivion Ring
3 Militia's Pride


Sideboard
4 Kithkin Mourncaller
4 Goldmeadow Harrier
3 Krosan Grip
4 Sunlace

Tested and its fast. So fun to play as well

well looks like an awesome list...
the more reason to tune my deck anti aggro...

tested vs a teachings mirror jz now...
lost game 1 and won back game 2...
game 3 was kinda even until i drew lands 5 turns in a row...
the next turn i drew my teferi zzz

Here's a question. Maybe it's just something that I needed to get off my chest, and that's been bothering me since yesterday.

Incident at the GPT yesterday - Did I do the right thing?

I was playing a 4th round match. I won game 1, close but won. Opponent's bombs included Galepowder Mage and that Legendary white guy which deals 2 dmg to attacking / defending creatures. Some other creature rare bomb too. Basically a superb deck, and I would probably would've lost it if that Legendary guy came out 1 turn earlier. It was that close.

My opponent (nameless) swapped his deck game 2. It was a big swap. Lots of cards, including all sorts of red bombs (Complete colour change). I basically was decimated completely.

Anyway, I was pretty shook up at this sudden turn of events. Everything was a quality creature, and basically everything was a rare / uncommon bomb punishing me quick.

Going into game 3, I didn't feel good. With no ill-intention, I was just surprised at the big colour change, and asked him how many cards he had in his deck, he said about 42-45.

So, of course, I felt tremendously worse losing to a large-sized deck

Those of you who have played me know that I never do this (I usually do a few riffles, that's it) -> But I decided to pile shuffle his deck specifically to count the number of cards in it. [Part of me was recalling a few of our top Limited players who regularly do this.] Because of this, I discovered he had 39 cards. He made no sideboard changes between games 2 and 3.

When I pointed it out to him, but before handing it back to him (we had given each other our decks for shuffling), he seemed worried about the error and was prepared to make up the discrepancy.

This is where I feel bad. I called Mike over and handed the deck to Mike to count out the cards, which of course turned out to be 39. I did this knowing that it was going to be a game loss for my opponent. He did get the game loss and I got the needed win to stay in contention.

My question is this: Did I do the right thing?
Honestly, I could have just let it slide. I could have told him, fine, let's ignore the result of game 2 and replay it, you can add in a card to make up the discrepancy. Usually, I would do this.

But I know I did this because I was afraid of losing Game 3 (and because I was upset at losing Game 2). It's been troubling me, cos I feel like I didn't engage in good sportsmanlike conduct and specifically calling a Judge over to cause an opponent a game loss.

For comparison, there was another incident in another GPT, in which an opponent drew extra cards through wrong use of Ophidian Eye (he put it on my creature) and basically pulverized me, but that was my fault too (as game state is responsibility of both players) so I didn't call a Judge and accepted the result. I didn't mind losing a match to the guy as he was a really nice guy and I felt it was a genuine mistake. This is where I guess it bothers me, knowing that I didn't call a Judge in another incident but called a Judge in this incident. Well, anyway, it feels real good to get this off my chest. Has been troubling me.

This post has been edited by Playbook: Oct 22 2007, 06:10 PM

I recalled reading somewhere (Must be MTG website, I think it was Rafeal Levy or Frank Karsten) that it is always the right thing to call the judge on occasions like this. It might be an honest mistake and he might be reconstructing to a better deck after advice from friends and miscalculated his deck size, but he might also be cheating (though in this case it might be highly unlikely).

However, this level of integrity has to be maintained so to deter any cheater to get away with similar offence. If everyone is vigilant against these things, it is harder for a cheater to cheat.

This is also a good way to tell your opponent to always pile shuffle your deck before presenting it to your opponent, and always pile shuffle your opponent's deck and count his deck. This is not to cheat a free win, but more to prevent anyone from cheating.

It is also within your right to request for a deck check if you suspect that your opponent might be adding cards from outside the game. I think we Malaysian are too nice and decide not to call the judge even if we suspect something is amiss (myself guilty of this, though it was a pre-release).

Having saying that, I rarely pile shiffle my deck ( ), but I do count them. I do occasionally count opponent's deck.


Edit: It was Quentin Martin's article
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/qm26

This post has been edited by camlok: Oct 22 2007, 06:54 PM

What you did was correct. Rules are rules. To play in a GPT level or higher demands higher rules enforcement. In all level of enforcement, illegal main deck (legal decklist) the penalty is game loss.

This is where using 40 sleeves for limited events comes in. With the sleeves, you can keep track of the number of cards in your maindeck.

Btw, I have Starcity acc.

yes, I do this even in Pre release event.

yes i guess its fair enough...
calling the judge and let him decide was the right thing to do...
tournament is different from testing after all...

i used to do the 40 sleeves thing but at times i tend to brek the card limit such as 41...
so i normally count as i pile shuffle...
keeping ur deck inside the deckbox (seperate) helps as well...

i notice vincent does that too for both his own deck and his opponent's...

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Added on October 22, 2007, 7:25 pmps: in close games it is the right move... i think he would be doing the same to u as well if he found out...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 22 2007, 07:25 PM

Mark i once played u and flash in the Eye, it wasnt the GPT tho, remember it was my lots of agro shadow creatures, but i didnt realized it too.... the next game if im not mistaken LOCO pointed out the mistake hahaha shame2... sorry, well u did win tho right??

"Hey youre not an opponent" was the words hahahaha...

Yes, I remember this, haha. That's what Loco said, hey you are not an opponent. He's the observant one! But you were really nice to play with, and i know it was not intentional, and it's all my fault for not even reading properly Ophidian Eye

I tell you honestly, I panicked like mad at the number of cards you were drawing haha... luckily managed to eke it out...

Cititel king in panic mode ? oh well, I wish to take a look

With regards to the initial post, yes, I see all your point of views (Camlok, 7chai, mun yip), and it's good practice to do that.

But honestly, I still feel totally horrible about doing it yesterday (but less so, now that I have vented).

I never pile shuffle my opponent's deck. I know I did this because I was (1) afraid of losing Game 3 and (2) possibly (internally) suspicious. And to me, that means I kind of was very unsportsmanlike towards my opponent (Do you know what I mean? I know it's confusing).

If I had always made it a habit of pile shuffling my opponent's deck, then I wouldn't feel this way. For example, yes, Vincent is one of those who always pile shuffles his opponent's deck, every single opponent, every single time. Vincent (as far as I know) doesn't do this because he's down a game or anything like that - it's just his habit.

I did it because I was down a game. And I did it in a very specific situation - this particular round.

There were plenty of games where I lost (probably more like obliterated haha) but I have no regrets about losing it, can't explain why - I have lost to Nik, Mun Yip, countless others. But I don't pile shuffle their decks to count their cards under pressure, and I feel so guilty I did it.

Anyway, I did feel a lot of better after writing it.

So off to a new topic!

What tribe do you think is good in draft?

Probably our draft guru, Mun Yip, can tell us

Ian, am not sure, but you might check with Mike. I do think there may be a tourney. Think he mentioned something about a tournament for those not going to GP Bangkok. Possibly Constructed, since it's now Lorwyn-legal. I had a flyer about a Constructed event, will read it when I get home and let you know.

Hmm...I too are afraid to call a judge sometimes, cause feel quite bad...
But after reading Martin's article, I think it is quite ok I guess....Depends on the situation...
If Pre-release then I do not really care, unless I need the ruling for the cards...

Cititel King? Remember my recommendation about Cititel!!!

Oops better not say too much, Hari warned me about saying too many things about our private life here haha.

p.s. I free if you are. We can go next month. I am also curious about Ipoh. Was thinking about going a day early before the PTQ. Wan to join?

I think you were right in doing so Playbook.

As bad as it sounds this is competitive play and not having the right amount of cards in your deck is a huge offense.

however for anything lower than say a pre-release I'll probably not bother (well at least here because pre-releases are when new players come around especially the more experienced ones)

On a sidenote my friend got a game lost because he didn't remove the last time counter off a rift bolt. His opponent waited till he drew a card and screamed Judge!. This was before the new player guidelines were handed out and I think that game lost was most unjust.

i find pile shuffling is good to randomise your opponent's deck...
i rarely do that though and jz shuffle my opponent's deck...
i have a habit of cutting the dekc into 3 stacks with different size for good luck (not proven yet)...

anyways never drafted of sealed with lowryn before so i have no ideas...
will be trying them out after my exams...

@ lepakboy
that's so freaking unfair...
i think it sould jz be a warning...
since when rift bolt become bolt pact lol (lost lots of games to my own pact T.T)...

Good god, that's terrible! Shouldn't there just be a warning and a correction in the game state since the removal of the time counter is compulsory and nothing else has happened apart from drawing the card (although it can be argued that seeing the additional card can influence the rift bolt target...)

Seems very unfair / unjust.

seems to me that U/W merfolk/faerie is a nice combination...

Top 8 standard results from an SCG Tournaments are

8th - GW Kithkin

7th - RG Big Mana with Hellkites and Spectral Force

6th - BR Goblins with only 1 tarfire in fears of pumping tarmogoyf no less.

5th - BG Elves

4th - Predator Justice typical Block deck build

3rd - Mono U Snow Merfolk with 4x Scrying Sheets

2nd - BG Deck with Tarmogoyf

1st - Mono W control with loads of removal like Oblivion Ring and Condemn and kills with Akroma and Sacred Mesa.

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Added on October 23, 2007, 12:20 amThe judge said that because this was a the second offense, 1st being playing troll acestic under blood moon with only 1 basic forest he would get a game lost.

This post has been edited by lepakboy: Oct 23 2007, 12:20 AM