wah rx, u like the denons dont u?

the Denon 1508/1708/1908 doesn't decode DTS-MA nor Dolby TrueHD wor....how to said it's future proof like that????

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738511

most blu-ray player outputting PCM HBR audio (decodes Dolby THD, DTS HD MA and output it in PCM HDMI), only few could bitstream it (Pana BD30, Sams 1400, DTS HD MA is non currently).

while 605 could receive this HBR in bitstream, it also could take PCM, but cant apply any processing on it (also cant matrix to 6.1/7.1).

I dont know about the denons that u mentioned. but yams 661 able to accept HDMI PCM from bluray players plus apply processing on it (could apply DDPIIx, DSP, 6.1/7.1, bla bla)

i only could explain it in layman terms... proceed to avs to go further

This post has been edited by apisgogo: Jan 18 2008, 02:21 PM

can the 661 decode trueHD and dtshd ma?
its also future proof mar, im just qouting the author lar

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Added on January 18, 2008, 2:50 pmthe denons can receive as pcm, tats it

wat we need is a player tat can decode the HD audio, and an amp tat does PCM, kaw tim, correct?
anyway, is 7.1 tat important?

This post has been edited by rx330: Jan 18 2008, 02:50 PM

7.1 important if you have 7.1 speakers lor...
V661 can accept lossless PCM nia, cannot decode bitstream lossless but can matrix lossless 5.1 to 7.1

IMHO, all these basic HDMI 1.2 amps should be priced below 2k, anything above is overpriced.. since it's 06/07 product design...

so if the 661 is below 2k that's fine..

u know, after scouting @ AVS forum, i be confuse and lost than ever... but i somehow manage to grasp few things.

as for ur Q, 661 definitely cant decode TrueHD and DTS HD MA.

As we know, TrueHD, DTS HD MA capable receiver only decodes these HD audio in bitstream (bit-to-bit). Currently there is no blu-ray player could bitstream DTS-HD MA, except PCM (thru HDMI or MultiChannel Analog out). DTS HD MA players that could bitstream it is Pana BD50 which hell's knows when it will be launched.

So most blu-ray (including our beloved PS3) sends this TrueHD in PCM via HDMI. (no DTS HD MA yet, god's knows when it is). So if the player send the audio as PCM to the receiver, TrueHD light will not appear.

So, 661 able to handle this PCM audio and able to matrix it to 6.1/7.1 and apply processing (PL IIx, DSP, EQ etc etc). plus we could get Yamaha's famous DSP processing as well. Plus, DAC in 661 is Burr-brown, correct me if im wrong.

Even onkyo 605 able to decodes TrueHD DTS HD MA (only in bitstream), it cant apply any processing on PCM audio. 705 can.

hope this helps.


as for 5.1 or 7.1, on my experience it quite impressive. Surrounds sound more depth.

This post has been edited by apisgogo: Jan 18 2008, 03:47 PM

no player can do DTS HD MA, then why the hell they wanna use tat format? FARK

just call one shop in sg for fun
denon 1508 - 550sgd
onky 605 - 850sgd
onky 705 - 1200sgd
price still negotiable

that's why im not really cares what receiver that has HD audio decoding...

thats why most ppl pissed Blu-ray winning.. not complete yet

Tosh A35 could bitstream both. done!

so just get a hdmi pcm receiver will do

he nails it!

and spend more on good speakers.... and of course, blu-ray movies lah...

oppss even cheaper
denon 1508 - 455sgd
onky 605 - 760sgd
price are fixed and GST included aredi

hm... tempting... if bring back msia? kena tax how much?

30%
api, which one u mau?

as if RX will buta buta pay 30% tax.. sure throw away the box lor..

ar188 so understand me...
boxnot necesary throw, see how

605 = approx RM2247.70 (plus tax)
1508 = approx RM1344.50 (plus tax)

hm... warranty how? must go s'pore lah?

i'll see whats the yams 661 price here 1st...


cannot keep the box eh? throw box kena tax?

This post has been edited by apisgogo: Jan 18 2008, 04:28 PM

looks like rx is ready.

I told Poki already, if he buy 2 can get cheaper, go and proceed.. meet my target 1000 bucks is fine

how futureproof? well by saving you 1-1.8k from the other options (say like paying 605 at 2800 - whoever paid for that price la)

future-proof? Is there any? Maybe short-term future proof only.

RX, buy lah and FR to us. We, peasants will eagerly wait for your Elite report.