I will go for a job interview tomorrow and the recuiter asked for a copy of my current job's pay slip.

What is the purpose of it?
can I refrain from showing the recuiter my pay slip?

Plss....advice

said previous company didnt give pay slip
or the payslip original send to bank alraedy

1. So that they could compare it with the amount you stated in their application form

2. Sure you can. But they could also call up your HR in the company to check on it.

What bullshit are you talking about??

i tot our salary should be P&C .. so i guess you have all the right to say no to the recruiter. If they want to call your HR, it's up to them. You current employer' HR should not reveal the information especially to other party.

How they gonna get my salary info from HR? Is this a common practice?

i dun wanna reveal my current salary coz it so much lower than the salary i'm asking for this job interview.

Normally they asking because they want to double check your are not cheating on your current salary stated in your application resume

Your recent payslips will verify that you indeed draw the salary that you claim in your resume.

If HR does not check and verify, people can (and will) attempt to cheat.

If you want to hire someone for 10K a month, would you believe the guy if he just say he is currently earning 9K with no proof?

It's your call. Just bear in mind they probably have several other candidates lining up for the job as well.

Better to show your actual and justify why you are worth more to their organisation than to play payslip cat-and-mouse.

This post has been edited by vey99: Aug 10 2007, 11:31 AM

What about cases where ur current salary is underpaid than market price?

Say a programmner current salary only RM1500/month and your expected new salary RM2500 which is the market price..

So there's no need of proof rite? ur not asking above market price

Actually I think show to them is not a matterla....
If they really want to hire you because of your skills then no matter how much they will hire. If it's the other way around, they are trying to get a bargain from you, i think you also won't join the company either, because you're making fool out of youself only by accepting a lower package.

Thats why you can justify and tell them that you believe you are worth more than that. By displaying such an ability to explain gives them the confidence that you are not a kacang puteh guy, and are able to justify what you are asking for.

e.g.
Q: Your current sal only 1.5K, why should we give u 2.5?
A: I have experience in ... and I have been doing ... I feel that my asking price of xxx is a market average, and very reasonable. With my skills I believe that I can be a useful addition to your organisation... ready to take challenge ...

Finally divert it away and showcase your strengths. It will definitely impress the interviewer more than ( dog ate my payslip ... followed by silence ... and the interviewer goes Um, ok... )

u can ask way higher salary than ur current salary but this does not mean u can bluff on ur current salary.

but usually employer will decrease the expected salary rite?

The recruiter asked for the copy of current job's pay slip on first interview? May i know what is that company (Chinaman company?)? I have never face this type of recruiter before, ussually they will filter out candidate first then only compare salary.

And why not showing your original copy of pay slip? All the company i work before in Malaysia all will request the photostated copy of the payslip (for HR reference purpose). Not sure what will happen if you refuse to provide it.
Any people working as HR can explain on this matter?

Not necessary has to be a Chinaman Company. Some MNC companies practise this too..

its no big deal, there are many kinds of payslips. worst case, create one

Not realy usually.....unless small company
but still u can nego and argue with them why u are worth that much...

huhu..i will not give away my payslip ...even i'm having hi-paid from my employer now ...it is very personal to me .

maybe ...they want to lower down your expected salary , as they want to cut-cost

yeah ..reduce the cost is the important thing nowadays for corporate ( keparat?)

There are two sides to this matter.

On one side they want to check whether you have actually draw such salary or somewhere near that range. If previous job someone if drawing 2.5k then the new job the person is asking for 6k to 7k, now something is wrong here. On the other hand you will be on the losing end, if they try to go lower than your offer. It is up to your negotiating skills. To me i will not even give them.

if don't show them usually they don't hire u. else hard for HR to determine

And so ..let it be ....they are not aware of data confidential and privacy ...and i dont want ppl like CTOS to chase me ...duh !

Payslip is PnC no matter what the reason for the interviewer/recruiter to look at.
No HR will give their employee detail to other company. That just plain dumb.

Wow, seems like a lot people here don provide previous job salary to new employer and still can get the job?
Which means you all don even put your previous job salary inside the resume?

Come come duarnt or other can teach me how to get the job without provide the ex-salary.
How much % increament you get? Please share. My max increase is 30% only.

Teach? i was never asked to include my pay slip But i did stated my current salary inside my resume.

So means you do still provide your current salary but refuse to provide your payslip when HR request?
I think this will cause HR people not trusting you since you not dare to provide it as a proof. What is so P&C of your current payslip? I don understand.

damn if all company like that if you are currently underpaid you will be underpaid forever

I dont have to proof anything to the HR. I they dont believe me dont hire me. Simple as that. I've have never been asked for payslip before in all my interview since 2001.

I do agree on HR not trusting ppl due to a lot of new age worker tend to 'adjust' their salary but have less working experience or certs to backup the amount they stated in resume.

But with their years of experiences in interviewing ppl they could easily filtered out any too good to be true candidate.
Asking for payslip is a rude way of telling "i dont trust your got that salary with the tiny amount of experience you have."

Peace

Whats the good reason to decline the HR department from showing your salary slip?

They are trying to compare if you are conning them in your job application form.

it is pretty normal to show ur pay slip when u ask for a new job!
u can request them not to make a copy if u feel uncomfortable...
but if they do employ u in the future and ask for a copy for documentation purpose etc etc... then u have to!

what happen if i got recruited and only they ask for my pay slip?
do you think they will check my my precious salary again or just reference?

Do not give your pay-slip, tell them you only have the offer letter. Create one offer with your current company letter-head, voila!!

Btw, I do not put my current salary in my resume. I will only tell them when I'm ask to.

I'm going for interview this Friday. Its a global company, the HR oso request me for previous pay slip.... I'm thinking, even i work with chinaman company they oso dint request for my pay slip, y do big company does?

A few months ago I applied for a job but refused to give the pay slip when requested by the HR. Then an hour before the interview, the HR suddenly called me and cancelled the interview, she said the company already hired a person for that position. I wonder if it's because the pay slip issue, she labelled me as being 'difficult' and purposely 'kena' me... haha!

I think they use the pay slip as a measure on how much they want to pay you (if they hire you), not for the reference or documentation purpose of course. If it's for that purpose, they won't ask you to show before or during the interview, but will get it after they decided to hire you...

Thanks for the advice. Isit will be a problem to "create" one?

Hmm... "create" one ah? You gotta ask other 'experts', as I've never tried that before... Haiya, anyway I gave the pay slip on the next interview after that bad experience. I don't know if that is what I should do, but they can always 'take back' the opportunity they're going to give you if they think you're 'difficult'... That's life, I guess...

you mean, you all dun give? I give just to proof that I worked in the organization before.

Thanks for all the kind advice.

if i dun show my payslip i think i can nego higher .....

I show them my payslip 1.6k an underpaid current job ....then i apply for bank they only offer me 1.8k instead of the standard 2.6k for a degree grad

WTF......i dun think i gonna show people my payslip again since its P&C

No harm to show them.
Just share with you my experience.
Normally before the interview the HR will ask you to prepare some document like photo, education doc, 2 months payslip and so on...normally I will bring all, but I won't provide to them if they don't ask. I week after the interview, the HR called to request my 2 months payslip, according to the HR, I am about there, but they need to finalize the package for me AND they will BUY OVER my notification period. I got the offer on the following day and ask me to check with HR to come out the figure that I need to pay and they will issue me a cheaque with that amount.

I'm a recruiter, if say is P&C, we also have the rights not to offer the candidate an employment.

The payslip is used for verification, salary proposed purpose, and also for record/filing purpose!

Sensitive issue.

I would say leverage or ask why do they need the payslip. So far based on my friend feedback, none of them have provided any copy of payslip. And they tend to mark up the salary and the new employer will just match it.

You are absolutely right. The job market is a free market. Willing buyer, willing seller.

But I doubt you will find any talented candidates from those who are willing to accept salary packages which are tied to the previous salaries rather than to the job scope / workload of the job they are being offered.

Yes, I only give if they ask. Wah, the HR so professional.

this is the question, we are not your employee yet, we have our right not to show anything...if a company decide not to hire me because i'm not willing to show them my payslip, it show how shallow the company is. do you want to work for such company? i know i wont

i am with my 4th company now, and have nvr been asked for a copy of my pay slip...

I just gave them what they want. I don't think it's time for you to play hardball.

In my previous interview, they asked me for payslip and I asked them for 50% increment. I got what I want and they got what they want. Win win situation maa...

Hum, it's a sensitive stuff really, I would for sure not provide it without asking why they need that and why they cannot take my word on what was my salary before

I don't really mind but I do not exactly why they would need it.

Edit: when thinking about it I am not sure if I can legally provide mine, they are written as Confidential by my company and I did sign a document with them saying I am not allowed to provide a copy of confidential document to outsiders, even after leaving that company.

This post has been edited by Gormaz: Aug 30 2010, 01:08 PM

Record purposes my arse! Payslip is P&C!

First of all, if a company has a vacancy for a position they have a budget for that vacancy. Let say a vacancy for HR Manager. There are few requirements they are looking for, experience of XX years etc and basically the person in charged of making decision to hire a HR manager would have a budget for this position. They would not go over the budget.

So all these bullshit about company requesting a payslip from us are because they dont want to offer you more and are lowballers campany! You want an experience worker but pay shitty amount of salary! f*** off!

This goes to MNC company as well. Remember, dont get bullied by this kind of company. Say NO to them. Be brave enough to say NO.



This post has been edited by Jeffrey8480: Aug 30 2010, 02:46 PM

you need to know where you stand before you make your decision.

if you do not desperate for the job, just decline the request. do keep in mind, that the recruiter/employer can also say no to the candidate as well.

if you are reasonably confident that no one else can come close to your experience/skills/reputation, generally you have nothing to worry about.

to negotiate for better price, why not just say you have another offer of x amount instead with a competitor company? i think that's way better instead of playing cat and mouse with payslips. again.. hv to remember who is more desperate here.

well, all this while i have been working, the HR has been asking my previous company payslip. I think is mostly to make sure the figure that the figure I put in the resume are tally. Also to check if the candidates are telling the truth. If the headhunter or recruiter ask for the payslip, just say NO. They are not suppose to see your payslip anyway except for the company HR that is hiring you.

To me, i don't think is any wrong for the current HR to know your previous last drawn salary. Furthermore, that salary is the past. More concerned would be the current salary drawn.

For the bargaining issue, most HR will actually check for the last drawn salary and and hike the salary from there. But there are some exceptions like:
i) market rate
ii) job responsibility
iii) job grading ( like gov sector, banking sector and etc)

TS, you can use the above to justify you expected salary. but nevertheless, don't go overboard.
good luck.

well just to share with my experience of recruiter.

I only ask my candidate to send me his payslip in pdf format whenever our client is neeeded.. and that also applied after the interview or our client request it to bring together in interview. well they just want to justify your current n asking salary. the market allowed u to request 30% increment from your current salary, and not from rm 1000 to rm 2000 that is alot then 30%

in other hand which stand to our client, they just want to play safe and dowan to hired someone that is over value or over qualified.

so if ur current salary is 1.6k and u wanna compare with degree grad salary.. u must think 1st. what u can contribute to the company? what u can improve the company? what is ur experience? handle any big project? what is ur academic level? and lastly what makes u worth the rm1000 increment?

all the company wanna hired someone who want the JOB and not work and want the SALARY. if u ask more but u cannot supplied what their need.. no point to ask alot of increment..

think that u as the boss.. will u hired a degree fresh grad with no working experience for a salary of 3k in ur company? whereby u need to teach n lead them for all the daily routine.. will u?

commonsense nobody will stupid enough hired a candidate like this...

they only pay someone who worth to them and can help the company and not pay someone who want to increase their salary range on their cv.

I only ever use a playslip to verify you did work at previous company and are not lying about your salary. I do have people claiming to earn X dollars with Y experience. But actually they are much lower paid staff with fancy title.

In any case, if candidate don't want to show thats fine with me, generally its no issue for me so far.

Morning folks!

I think a lot of people are missing the point and diverting to the issue of whether a payslip is considered P&C material or not. Quite frankly, it really shouldn't matter whether it is or not. The payslip is really just a validation tool for the HR or recruiter and a yardstick for historical performance for the candidate in question.

If you are really worth your salt, it really shouldn't matter what is mentioned on your payslip anyways. It just serves as a reference point for the next organization that is going to take up your set of skills; knowing full well how much the previous organization valued your skills at.

A lot of thread replies seem to overlook the possibility that the new company isn't exactly managed by monkeys either. They are smart enough to know (or otherwise research) the reputation of the company you were or are currently attached to. From there, your future employers will be able to judge how much you are really worth to them.

To illustrate: A manager was valued at RM3,000 for a peer company in the same industry that's known to be particularly stingy with salaries. It is possible that the new employer will automatically hire you for no less than RM3,500 and above, discounting all other factors.

As a job seeker, one should aim to market and highlight his or her own skills during the interview instead of allowing the future employer to dictate the pace, solely based on a colored piece of paper.


That's what brings home the bacon, people!

one should main-focus highlight his/her achievements end results in the past or present companies & how present skills can contribute to the new employer in the new posting in a humble way.

just remember in mind.. recruiter wont take your payslip and post into lowyat and share with others...

they also got their rules if they break the rules they will get sue by the candidate or the client if they reveal out the candidate or client p&c information such as salary or position remuneration

payslip is p&c but dont forget ur cv also is p&c.. so if u can pass ur cv to the recruiter y not u pass ur softcopy of payslip to the recruiter or the company if u want the job...

unless u r earning rm1000 per month and ask for rm2500 per month in ur new company so that make u dont dare to reveal ur current salary.

Payslip in fact is a P&C info and should not be revealed. For HR, they always have a salary benchmark when hiring a candidate. Some company even ask for photocopied bank book. What I provided to my current company were photocopied EA form and others WITHOUT the figures since they only need the account number.

You can cheat your resume, but not your salary.

Also, so far after 12 years plus working, they've only ever asked for for that AFTER giving me an offer. I know many people in HR, and the main reasons they want that is to verify that you were working with said company for X amount of money as you've claimed before. Also, they have to justify he amount they offer you - some bigger companies will pay you at least the minimum of the band of the job, regardless of whether you asked less than that or not. So.... to me it's a formality, nothing to worry much about

Dude,

Never cheat resume or salary. Honesty is the best policy. The world is a small place. Getting blacklisted is no good.

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Added on September 13, 2010, 8:14 pmI never give salary slip because they will at most give you 10-20% higher than current pay. I use my current yearly salary as a guideline, which will include bonus, allowance, OT and basic which is then divided by 12. To me money is money. I dont care how they pay me more, but they should at least meet my yearly income that i made per year regardless recession/booming economy, in exchange for my services.

So far i manage to negotiate my way to 50 - 100+% increment this way. But of course, you will need to show that you are worth every penny, reputation carries a big weight.

Speaking of salary range, they are only for reference, no two job is the same despite same industry hence HOW you sell yourself is most important. We are responsible to fight for the best rate to sell our time and life for the company.

This post has been edited by georgechang79: Sep 13 2010, 08:14 PM

50-100% increment?

You must be really good at your work, right?

What if interviewer asking us to name one or two suppliers of my current company by saying just want to know whether we know well about this industry? Should we also saying it's P&C ? Is it they just want to know your supplier network only?

This post has been edited by TomCruise: Jun 22 2016, 10:55 PM

only 30% increment from your current salary??? then it will be not fair for person that work underpaid below market rate for the same position and same amount experience

how u can justify to that? not many people lucky to get salary at market rate.. someone people have alot lower that market rate but twice more work compared to person that same salary at market rate..

so fair or not??

how about yearly salary ( including bonus+ performances incentives)?


lets said example

my currently monthly salary =4500 ( below market rate) (ppl with same total year exp and expertise around 7-8k permonth)

my yearly salary = RM 80,000 (including bonus+ performances incentives) = around Rm6,600 per month


so hr will consider 30% increment from my monthly salary or yearly salary???

that was a kinda of post from me hahaha..

jokes away.

well its a comparison without chip in other benefits and allowance, yes your salary may be below market rate but there is others benefit that chip in.

again my post earlier was mean for basic salary.

on another option you can have on hand, just show your EA for the hiring manager shows what you are drawing..

if you still felt that other people draw higher than you, then you might need to look for better opportunity out there.

again basic salary its very subjective, it can be in any range within their hiring budget and what kind of experiences you can bring in as an added value to the company that they willing allocated the portion of amount you requested and does it justified with their current overhead expenditure and expenses.

to pay you as low as possible compared to your last drawn.

if not comfortable, you can counter by saying you have signed nondisclosure agreement with the previous company not to disclose your salary, if you disclose it to recruiter, you would be a traitor.

Then you look into his eyes and ask him: "you won't want to hire a traitor would you?"



but then, they like to hire a traitor, so that they can keep their hiring business forever.

This post has been edited by lowya: Jun 24 2016, 02:00 AM