Yup, babana, if you don't want to make report, then consider this as your lesson.

@wKKaY
Omg, sorry man. Just a only suggestion. I don't mean anything.

Mod can i know why does it take so long for rene to get a dispute tag ? Explain your POV ?

"Selling a not working/faulty item to a buyer and does not do refund or help buyer settle the problem"

Regardless of all rene excuse whether his bro know or does not know the card is activated/cancel is still not buyer problem. Seller should be the one responsible to this. Buyer are only expecting a fully working item else a refund. Else buyer pay and let seller "untung" for wat ?

Mod just give rene a DISPUTE TAG and no point continue to argue here as she does not have any intention to refund at all. She stay on her own lame reason which not a single person agree with her here. Mod/LYN should not allow/promote this kind of irresponsible seller else they will be more and more this kind of seller in LYN. Immediate action should have been taken.

Buyer your final resort is log a police report and warm other buyer regarding all rene possible future sales. Let stop this kinda of seller doing business in the future. They does not deserve to earn any of the profit. Just want quick money no business ethic at all.

This post has been edited by chitchat: Aug 9 2007, 09:37 AM

Consumer Tribunal Court will be a better option as your case will definitely be heard and if the seller is found guilty and a judgement is passed they will have to comply. Failure to comply or acknowledge the judgement will result in the court taking drastic action such as arrests, bankruptcy proceedings etc.... this is a more effective way of getting to dishonest seller..... Good Luck!

... if seller is not going to hold the respondsiblity of the item sold ..

- that is in working ... and useable item ...
-- then don't deserve as a seller or in business ... ...

This post has been edited by bdl: Aug 9 2007, 10:11 AM

no need gun pointing me~u juz ask urself...

if you r me~will you choose 2 go for another number OR will you choose for dont accept anything n let ur money like dump into the sea???

i think it as forced because it is not my favourite number~(AND MAIN POINT IS THAT YOUR BRO NEVER MENTION 2 ME BOUT THE EXPIRED DATE BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

so~just like the lines that u use:
we think ur words all bunches of lame excuses~but u treat it as explaination~

so....

U THINK IT IS NOT FORCED~BUT I TREAT IT AS FORCED~

you got your so called ethics of business~i also got my own ethics of thinking~

This post has been edited by LittleMin: Aug 9 2007, 10:14 AM

Dude, relax. How long has this topic been here? Unless it's an outright con case, a dispute tag won't be given out so quickly.

TS, if u dun wan to make police report and seller dun wan refund,why dun 2 of u go digi and report this to them ,let them to kaotim for u 2


i think my method or suggestion is fair for both of u right


wkkay,i think should temp closed that digi sim thread ,coz if more people buy from him/her (cannot activate or expired edi,seller also dun wan refund), lagi banyak problem.


by the way,rene,u dun know the number is expired de mer ??

This post has been edited by zac1: Aug 10 2007, 12:55 AM

This is worst than godslove case

This is a really reflect badly on the seller. Well, if your goal in life is to make a quick buck, this is the way. There are inherent risk to trading, both for the seller and for the buyer but the seller should always be diplomatic. I'm not interested in numbers but I'll know what kind of salesperson I'll be dealing with, should I deal with in the future. Which I highly doubt I will.

If nothing comes out of this, I feel that Banana should take this as an expensive lesson but I can assure you that it will be an even more expensive lesson for the seller.

This post has been edited by ayrix_wylde: Aug 9 2007, 08:22 PM

wKkay but then if u dont put a dispute tag on her then other forumer wont know the risk dealing wit her....what if she keeps selling stuff and then if anything happen she doesn't care at all....

I also say to make sense. So say once enough if you wanna accept. keep keep repeating also no use if you think it doesnt make sense. me one person replying. you how many people commenting?
dunno me in real life, don't say it. i also dunno you so i;m not commenting anything. dont say real or what. i have been cheated before but not in this kinda thing. But thats personal. N i said already, where is the prove that bro or me cheat? just because buyers feel and said they are cheated then bro and me r cheater? then might as well i said bro and me feel and said we are cheated by digi.

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Added on August 10, 2007, 1:49 amre dispute tag - answer already and i dont think mod need yo to teach them what to do.

re responsible - answer already.

re excuse - answer already.

re agree with me ; answer already

re selling policy - answer already

re dispute tag - answer already.

re lame reason - answer already

re irresponsible seller? - really? i buy sell so long also first time kena like this. i guess there is a first time to everything.

re stop this kinda seller - goosh, you do sound like some defender or something.

re ethic - answer already

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Added on August 10, 2007, 1:56 amre consumer tribnal court - answer already. issue on jurisdiction.

re found guilty - there is no concept of 'being found guilty' except in criminal case. it finding of liability.

re judgment - its a finding and order, not judgment, if not mistaken.

re complying of finding - wait til ther eis a finding first.

re court - tribunal is a tribunal not a court.

re drastic action - arrest, unlikely. bankruptcy, minimum limit is RM30,000.

re dishonest - answer already. where is the dishonest and the intention to cheat?? can prove i refund. even civil and criminal court need proving. so whats the different here? not just coz buyers say i or my bro cheat then we r cheater or dishonest. and like i said before. majority doesnt mean its true or buyers should win. you want trial by jury? then where is the evidence?

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Added on August 10, 2007, 2:13 amAnswer already...

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Added on August 10, 2007, 2:18 amand the main point here is you are saying what you are thinking as and when you thought of it. I can also say you didnt ask on the expiry date even after my bro told you bout the expiry date for the first card.

And i didnt say your comments are some lame comments isnt it? so why label and keep and labeling?

you have right to have what you have... and whether you are forced to make a decision, is that the point here?

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Added on August 10, 2007, 2:24 amthe digi number selling thread dont have to temporary closed. its dead in the water already. I have said this earlier and mod can proceed to close it. the reason why i didnt close it has been given earlier.

And on the issue of knowledge of the termination, also answer already earlier. me and bro doesn't know.

This post has been edited by rene: Aug 10 2007, 02:24 AM

Re lameness = You
Re dispute tag = You
Re stubborness = You
Re irresponsible = You
Re prove-me-wrong = You

*yawns*

Come out with a solution rene,not RE RE RE everywhere. I see also sien.

Answer to this already earlier.

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Added on August 10, 2007, 2:29 amhow many selling thread do I have? you wanna highlight it all here? Then go right ahead. And when did i cheat anyone? Prejudge.

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Added on August 10, 2007, 2:33 amRe re re re re - Explanation given. Short answer better since people said i bla bla bla.. long explanation bla bla bla.. short answer re re re.

Re lame - really? You can prove bro or me cheat?

Re dispute tag- where is the evidence that bro and me con?

Re stubborn - Really? Not following people's wish is stubborn?

Re irresponsible - Willing to be responsible if there is a con.

Re prove me wrong - its not prove me wrong. Its prove the buyers right.

Re solution- answer already. prove there is a con and i'll refund.

Your choice to read so your choice to be sien.

This post has been edited by rene: Aug 10 2007, 02:36 AM

I don't think one needs to prove an intention to murder when the body is found bleeding 2 ft away.

Yes you have to prove the intention to murder regardless body in front of you or body not found. thats will decide whether you get death or jail.

K, my 2bits.

I got this summary from one of the post in this thread, its late and I'm tired and I didn't verify the information, so everything I say below is assuming this is correct.

You asked for prove of a con. I wouldn't exactly call it a con, maybe you made a mistake, but regardless, when you sold the item, it was already unusable. Many people already gave different examples of bad sales, here mine: you sold bread that's pass the expiry date, and when the buyer recieved it it was already moldy. No matter how you view it, its your fault. There's nothing the buyer can do, he can't turn back time to get it activated, digi can't reactivate the number as well since its been purged and will be sold on another sim pack.

You're only willing to be responsible if you intended to con? So if you're adamant that it was a mistake, then you're not liable?

It seems this Seller is a Smart Alec who has an answer to every question albeit a robotic, lame, arrogant and uninformed answers. Trying to act confident too...And BTW, I believe that the VICTIM shud proceed ahead with the Consumer Tribunal Court cos this will be a classic textbook case whereby the VICTIM did not get what is being promised...

This post has been edited by nightline: Aug 10 2007, 09:15 AM

I think giving dispute tag does not relate how long a dispute thread have been opened. Its depend on the case in it. Unless the case is moving forward where like buyer and seller are working on a solution then it would be fair to delay the dispute tag on the seller.

But in this case, seller remain on his NO REFUND POLICY. "Oh DiGi block the number as a seller i dunno, i just wanna earn quick money. Is DiGi fault i dont want be responsible for this and refund u because i dont wanna bear the losses. My policy is i sell thing i earn money anything happen go settle it urself. NO REFUND. DiGi CON me i CON u, so is DiGi CON u not me"

Mod unless u give us ur POV and explanation on the delay on the DISPUTE TAG i think they buyer and other forumer will not be happy with this.

OOT: Btw i also like to know how many Mod is there to judge on a dispute thread whether the seller/buyer is right or wrong ?

This post has been edited by chitchat: Aug 10 2007, 10:09 AM

1. The moderators are not here to resolve your disputes, neither are they here to help you out. This subforum is for you to resolve your disputes in an organised and easy to follow manner.

IMO, instead of re re re and digi digi digi bla bla bla.. think about this.

1. TS and others provide a report (B&W) stating that this number had been terminated before the sales date and unable to reactivate - TS win the case and gets full refund.

2. Unable to provide B&W - seller wins and no need to refund.

lemme clarify something.

with intention - murder
without intention - manslaughter

either way, you are still guilty. and when you are guilty, you pay for it! you don't get the death penalty or jail time, but in this case, you should refund lar.

btw, intention or motive right...isn't it obvious? your intention is to get more money lar obv! therefore you have an intention to cheat. tsk.

edit: and please dont 're' me. please provide an amicable solution instead. suggest a solution, and let's see if the buyers accept it. don't just 're re re' and push the responsibilities away.

This post has been edited by subpar: Aug 10 2007, 11:16 AM