If they build their own network, it's going to be awesome. They don't utilize VLAN tagging for sharing with other RSPs, superb latency to Singapore with game servers prioritization, symmetrical speeds and the Freedom DNS which allows specific geolocation content to be accessed.

https://viewqwest.com/entertainment/fdns/features
https://viewqwest.com/entertainment/fdns/channels-devices

No ISP in Malaysia is any close to their innovation and plans. Not even Time.

Maybe, but still for symmetrical 100M? Sign me up!
I don't want to pay close to RM150 with SST for 100M/50M every month to TM/Maxis/Celcom/DiGi with inferior options.

They supply Asus branded routers to their customers with options to upgrade to better hardware.

This post has been edited by Candy12: Jan 8 2021, 03:19 PM

Probably not because if they had intention to ride on TM infra they'd already announce nationwide rollout in all major cities since it covers the entire country, all they need is just enough demand to enable a particular TM exchange.

To take advantage of the extra added features such as fixed IP to all home users, FREEDOM DNS, symmetrical speeds, no VLAN tagging, no buffer bloat caps, DHCP authentication and 1Gbps, it is not possible that this conditions be deployed on the present TM HSBB network.

Moreover if they're jumping on TM HSBB, it would have already announced that major cities such as Penang, Alor Setar/Sg Petani, Kangar, Taiping, in the northern region be covered.

TNB has been tight lipped about their rollout in other part of Ipoh such as Ipoh Gardens etc. Many of the newer condos and apartments around that area are now under private open fibre arrangements such as the Upper East, Thompson, The Octagon, Majestic .

Here's a look at an example setup by XccessComm HSBB Sdn Bhd for the Upper East Condominium just off Tiger Lane. When they acquired Macro Lynx they had immediate access to such facilities.
http://thesun-epaper.com/Property/Septembe...publication.pdf

This post has been edited by Candy12: Jan 8 2021, 10:14 PM

Come to think of it, as mentioned in the news the finalization actually coincides with Allo's launch which is end of Q1 2021.

ViewQwest symmetrical plans seems to look very similar to that of City Broadband's range of packages.
Symmetrical 100Mbps, 500Mbps and 1Gbps.

Very possibly they're joining Allo's network as a partner RSP but still will be using VLAN tagging to separate traffic.They'd still enjoy better accessibility compared to the less competitive TM HSBB wholesale pricing arrangement and better speeds as well. Can sell symmetrical speeds upto 1Gbps with no buffer bloating with ONT profile speed caps.

Thanks for the updates, jcws87, I wanted earlier to cleanup and add additional pictures to my first post but the image display limit has already been used up.


I wanted to write up a tutorial on how a ODN is like and the different sections involved in it. How to roughly calculate return losses/insertion loss to compare with meter readings.

Would appreciate if there are any Allo users here who can help take some pictures of your house's backlane/lorong belakang which shows the total of FDP(fiber distribution boxes) available on each lane in total.

There've been requests by many requests by some forumers here who tried to apply for Unifi but was told that the ports in their areas have run out. They want to show that how come TNB Allo does not suffer from port shortages unlike TM who only place 1-2 FDPs on each lorong on purpose to limit very little ports available to them.

Just for example in Malacca:

As you can see a small lorong/backlane like that also can have upto 5 FDPs(marked with oranged colored square boxes) placed on every 4 homes side by side.

That alone is already 40 ports available for service!!


Appreciate if we can show them Ipoh's version of setup.

Thanks in advanced, I'd like to take pictures myself but feel awkward standing behind people's house as a random stranger taking photos. People might think that I'm some weird stranger trying to survey their homes to break in or something!

That's why some people want to query TM about this unprofessional ethics of using the excuses for not having enough ports all the time. They skimmed and probably eaten their own share internally when funds were allocated for expansions.

Instead of placing at least 5 FDPs on each lorong(back lanes/alley), they put 1-3 at most. So where got enough if demand is high all the houses there want to install a fixed line at home?

Please help to take pictures of your housing area's backlane for Allo deployments.

We must show this to TM and shame their half hearted efforts and sincerity in sharing their nationwide HSBB infrastructures with other ISP players.

Don't forget yeah once the FDPs are up on poles take pictures of them so that we can count and prove how ports availability is properly done to TM.

Not just place 1-3 FDPs only for each row of homes(over 30 units) and use the convenient excuse that ports are not enough, priority must be Unifi first only for early birds.We'll consider further expansion until it becomes stale.

Take picture of it if you can post here, we'll compare it with Allo's setup.

Do your part in helping the community!

All the RSPs or partner ISPs which are on TM HSBB are not too happy with them currently because of their high wholesale reference pricing and inferior older network which could only support beyond asymmetrical 800Mbps speeds with uploads only upto 200Mbps. They dare not commit higher speeds because of their network may not support them and customers will return complaining.

Take ViewQwest for instance, if you're on their network or Allo they sell symmetrical 100M/500M and 1Gbps plans at much cheaper rates than TM. Their symmetrical 100M plan is priced even below RM100/mth which is so much more affordable.

If you still insist on subscribing to them on TM HSBB, they have no choice but to offer you an entire different set of plans which is more expensive pricing and slower speeds that cannot exceed 800Mbps. Reason is because they'd have to follow TM's wholesale port pricing structure and reference limitations of their own Unifi plans.

Just take the picture of your house backlane(lorong) with that only 1 FDP for future referencing and evidence.
Who knows one day you might need to utilize a port from them and they deny your claims. Got picture to show it right in their face.

How to be fast when the MCO is ongoing? Financial outlook also bleak with the economy now and gomen keep asking TNB to give subsidies for their utility bills and moratorium.

Yes, TM's HSBB network is inferior and less capable because of the mess they made jumping early into the GPON FTTH deployment years back.

Their network is incapable of delivering symmetrical uploads which matches their download speeds.

It was said that their first phase deployment which started in Tasek area in Ipoh they were going with ratios as high as 1:64 per OLT port instead of 1:32 standard that Allo/Time used.

On top of that they refused to lower their wholesale pricing which also prevents other RSPs such as Maxis, Celcom, DiGi and ViewQwest who rides on their network to also lower prices to match others like Time turning them off, that's why they rather choose Allo to partner with.

This post has been edited by Candy12: Jan 15 2021, 09:24 PM

FYI, areas such as Gunung Rapat, Pasir Puteh, Pengkalan, Station 18, Lahat, Batu Gajah and Simpang Pulai DO NOT use the Northern Ipoh exit to connect to the the national fibre grid backbone on highways.

They use the Southern Ipoh highway exit toll from Simpang Pulai which is closer to the Klang Valley and Southern gateway cities.

The highway exit at Ipoh Garden is called the Northern Ipoh exit, it's only more convenient if your heading north to Penang or Kedah if you take that exit.

Also another fibre backbone actually runs along the train railway tracks on electrification poles for the KTM ETS/EMU trains. Ipoh's Main Railway station is in the middle of city very closeby to Lahat only.

Do you know why KL Sentral is a major network operations hub for many telcos in the country?

This post has been edited by Candy12: Jan 16 2021, 02:00 PM

Good take more views like the 2nd picture once they set up the FDP boxes on the poles.

Show the TM liars that it costs tenths of thousands which they claim needs to be spent to create "ports".

Already got threads opened in this forum with people asking how much does it costs to create more "ports", and those dishonest TM sales people are telling the public it costs tenths or hundreds of thousands to expand them.

Wow TNB can set up 5-6 FDPs per lorong while TM keep giving the same lame excuses.

Must be helluva "water blower - 吹水" there

All it needs is just 1 extra strand of fibre to split into another 8 ports/homes from the FDC cabinet.
The FDP box with a 1:8 splitter probably costs below RM200 when purchased in bulk.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5092596

The last mile stretch between the FDC roadside cabinets to each street back alley/"lorongs" is supposed to have between 6-12 strands of fibre inside.

According to design specifications, each of this strand coming from the FDC roadside cabinet's distribution panel is only allowed to be matched with a 1:8 splitter inside each FDP box on the pole. So going by the design, easily 4 or more FDPs(each having 8 ports = >32 potrs per alley/lane) is easily placed to fulfill demand if TM planned their network well enough. Wonder why they chose to only place 1-2 FDPs and always tell customers ports are very limited, if need to expand more we'll have to spend tenths of thousands more requiring considerable sign-ups.

Thanks for the update, seems like TNB Allo is taking serious efforts in improving their network latency. IPv6 is important to them because every ISP is running short of IPv4 addresses.

Since yesterday I'd noticed some some slowdowns and congestion currently happening with Maxis servers. Seems to be erratic and pings are getting unstable.

Used to get 5ms to Maxis's test server since yesterday it spiked to 7ms now. Are they getting DDoSed again with the recent Anonymous Malaysia threats? Pings to local servers seems to be unstable, out of 10 pings, half of them getting spiked to double the usual with very high jitters.

From 13-15ms, ti can go upto 30ms a few times then normal again.

By the way I'm using wired computer to do the testing, so cannot blame it's due to wireless causing instability to my connections.

There are some new generation ISPs out there who are game changers in the industry would take the extra step in to add value to their subscription plans over others.

What they do is that they have a pro-active team which monitors their peak bandwidth utilization charts on their servers daily to specific popular streaming/gaming content sites and then they'd ensure that their wholesale bandwidth/upstream they subscribe provides 2-3 times the amount of peak bandwidth being consumed during the most busiest hours of the day.Also they'd pay royalties and exclusive rights to peer with the partner content network if they need to.

Take for example if their team notices that at the most peak hour (8pm-1am) Netflix server bandwidth consumption is about 25-30Gbps, it would make sense to subscribe an upstream connection to that particular ISP network which hosts Netflix server CDNs at 100Gbps. That way they can assure their customers that despite even at the most peak hours, they shouldn't worry because even so their access to Netflix servers won't saturate/slowdown because they've ample bandwidth to spare.

However there are also some lazy ISPs who doesn't care or have the initiative to make this effort. They'd just provide say 100Gbps links to certain popular networks and continue to oversell that bandwidth to x number of growing subscribers and be settled with it. Even if the access slows down or crawl during peak hours because too many subscribers are accessing the site, they'd just train their customer support to remind customers that their consumer service is on a "best effort" shared service. There's little they can do except to tell their customer off by saying why not try accessing the site during off peak hours.

In regards to these factors, there are few other factors which are beyond the control of your ISP:

1) Access to lesser known and less popular general sites hosted far away in other regions
Some sites and contents which are hosted overseas in other regions have restricted port speeds assigned to their shared servers.In such cases, even if you've a 10Gbps line at home do not expect miracles if the VPN server/content hosting server at the other end is only restricted to a 1Gbps port shared by a few users through virtualization.

2) Your internet service provider(RSP) sells their service over a wholesale national network competing with other ISPs
There's a REASON why some ISPs refused to join wholesale networks and become partner RSPs. They rather have FULL control and ownership from the gateways right down to the last mile access. It's not just about the competitive pricing structure without needing to consider other partner RSPs, they can also manage their bandwidth with better sight, planning and mitigations.

You know that each GPON port can provide upto about 2.4Gbps down/ 1.2Gbps upload speeds without considering TCP overheads yet. Each port is then shared upto 32 users max. Among these 32 CPEs connected to each port, you have telco U, A, M, D, C and V selling plans to their own customers who subscribe to various plans of different speeds. So if every user gets online and starts using their lines heavily during the end of the day after dinner, none of the partner ISPs can predict properly the wholesale network's peak bandwidth utilization patterns unless they have FULL CONTROL over it.

Nice!

6 TNB Poles and FDPs per lane(lorong).

That's like 6x8 = 48 ports available there.

White one looks better built and design.

Sadly after switching from the White type which they used in Malacca deployments, they started using the black type in Menglembu but recent newer buildouts they started using the white ones again?