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post Jul 29 2020, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(klch87 @ Jul 28 2020, 10:54 PM)
Guys, is it worth to upgrade from razer blackwidow to huntsman?
I have been using blackwidow for 4 years now and thought of changing to huntsman elite. Looks cool.
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it's a question that you should answer it yourself.

everyone has their own preferences and expectations. if you're ok with the stock typing experience, so be it.

QUOTE(skycrawler @ Jul 28 2020, 11:20 PM)
Hi all, any local seller that sell Keychron? or is it have to order thru their official website?
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it's said that it will come here, https://www.facebook.com/groups/MalaysiaMec...01366840099539/

when? not sure.
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post Jul 29 2020, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(skycrawler @ Jul 29 2020, 01:46 PM)
delivery will cost u USD13
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oh. 13usd is considered ok already. there are places in this world that cost few times more than that for the same stuff (not yet talking about tax yet)
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post Jul 29 2020, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(skycrawler @ Jul 29 2020, 05:15 PM)
Ya consider cheap dy, my friend want to chip in as well  biggrin.gif
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in general, when we buy anything, don't just look at the price tag of the items only. take into accounts potential costs like bank charges, logistics, and tax also, so that you get the idea of the actual amount that you need to pay.


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post Jul 29 2020, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(skycrawler @ Jul 29 2020, 05:30 PM)
missed the time when 1USD = RM3 tho  icon_idea.gif last time got borong from newegg
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hahaha yeah those were the good old days

fret not we still have taobao/tmall/aliexpress, for instance, https://keychron.tmall.com/

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post Jul 30 2020, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jul 30 2020, 07:31 AM)
Hi Horns. Any pics or link for this? I've figured out a way to cut my foam to allow my space stab to be removed after desoldering the space switch(in theory) and will be tuning my stabs this weekend.
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source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/MalaysiaMec...723804264522463

edit: about heat shrink mod, one friend in the mymkb group suggested that the heat shrink's length is reduced to 5mm from rama's 6mm to get rid of the mushy feel. i haven't tested this.


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post Jul 30 2020, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jul 30 2020, 11:16 AM)
Thanks! The O ring mod video you posted also looks interesting though. Aiyo how la. I don't want to keep desoldering my switches to mod, later my PCB die.
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uh? there is no need to keep desoldering bro. you can test them out without soldering first.

for the o-ring mod, it's useful for silent builds mainly, and it's for plate-mount stabs only. don't do it for pcb-mount stabs. (the sliders are easy to get popped off due to full-clipping)
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post Jul 30 2020, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jul 30 2020, 12:10 PM)
But I don't think I have o rings small enough to fit in there. Or can it take the same size as keycap o rings? I don’t think there is enough space.

So either desolder multiple times or wait to get small o rings.
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the one i use is 4mm (o-ring diameter) x 1mm (thickness)

it's better to wait for o-rings to reach first. i use gk64 hot-swap to test.

QUOTE(ALaInM @ Jul 30 2020, 02:11 PM)
user posted image

hi, i am new comer. I just got my new mechnical keyboard - Kemove61 with TTC gold pink switches at 37g.
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not too light for you?

QUOTE(pluginbaby @ Jul 30 2020, 02:20 PM)
Phantom Elite has PWM hiss/buzzing issue? Tried to use Phantom96 before and the hissing from PWM is annoying
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really? you might be the first who mentioned this.
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post Jul 31 2020, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(pluginbaby @ Jul 30 2020, 08:39 PM)
I checked on Reddit and it is quite common they say. It happens on certain RGB colors only. Some are low hissing, some are high
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oh ok. if it's the root cause, just turn it off if you really cannot stand it.

QUOTE(ALaInM @ Jul 30 2020, 10:24 PM)
as soft as Gateron white switch, slightly firm.
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QUOTE(StuartLee2015 @ Jul 30 2020, 11:21 PM)
Switches and soldering tools arrived few days ago, soldered new switches in, works okay...

The older switches which i suspect have double click actually is fine, i used greases, and carefully put on four corners of the housing, and some thin layer on the actuator, and carefully not touching the contact pins... and soldered back in, and it's been very responsive like when it's new.

The keyboard now works fine.

I experienced de-soldering and solder it back with everyone who helped giving me tips and guidance , and now i am not that nervous , and surprisingly it's pretty easy.

the switches :
https://shopee.com.my/product/135044210/2577910491

- the switches quality looks totally legit, with different plastic texture compared to factory switches, but they are 100% identical with G Logo and omron logo, no defects of any sort.
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now you know why veterans always ask us to learn soldering and desoldering.
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post Jul 31 2020, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(StuartLee2015 @ Jul 31 2020, 03:42 PM)
Do switches need greases? is it key chattering due to dried up greases over the years?

I lubed with automotive greases on ' double registering switches ' and it's back to okay again...  confused.gif so, the switches are actually faulty or just need lubing?

I dissembled the new switches i bought from china and there's seems to be some transparent greases on the actuator... so it must be when over the years, the greases will gone from all the pressings?

I read about the terms ' lubing the switches ' for cherry switches, does that also to all switches of all makes? like Outemu, Cherry, romer-g, Gatereon?
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normally, stock switches are pre-lubed at factory. however, the amount is minimal, and only covers few areas in a switch.

key chattering is not really due to the absence of lube, but the presence of dust.

yes, we do lube our switches to have better typing experience. (sound and feel) it's one of basic modifications that can apply to all switches. techniques and lube used depend on switch type, and own preferences.

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post Aug 1 2020, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(StuartLee2015 @ Jul 31 2020, 09:38 PM)
I see.... i opened, the lube is thin and only cover the actuators, the side housing where the friction is none.
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that's why lubing them properly with the right lube will give relatively better experience compared to stock.


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post Aug 1 2020, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(StuartLee2015 @ Aug 1 2020, 04:21 AM)
I used the automotive one, should be okay right?

it feels nice though... i can't feel friction. is there special lube/grease for mechanical switches?
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it's not ok if it's petroleum-based. it might melt plastic parts in a switch. use plastic-safe type.

after testing out a number of them, i stick to krytox gpl series for switches and stabilizers, mainly because of its quality consistency and very long shelf life. (more than 10 years)
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post Aug 1 2020, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(StuartLee2015 @ Aug 1 2020, 12:43 PM)
I stored the grease in a plastic container, it looks okay though..... How to tell if it's petrolueum-based?
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you should be able to get information from its specifications printed on the container, or just look it up online.
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post Aug 1 2020, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(StuartLee2015 @ Aug 1 2020, 02:35 PM)
lol... i got a bit from a car workshop, store it some transparent container... it's green... i remember that the guy say that grease can withstand high temperature, etc etc.

i applied on many plastics before, it doesn't look it corrodes the plastic , so i guess it's safe. smile.gif
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haha ok then.

as long as it's plastic-safe then it's good, or else you will go through the whole process of replacing all lubed switches when shit happens.
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post Aug 1 2020, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(StuartLee2015 @ Aug 1 2020, 04:21 PM)
Okay... it should be good for many years.
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mkb modding is basically a process of learning and experimenting to achieve better outcomes in terms of typing experience.

once you have enough of basics, it's up to you to plan for builds that you wanna have, or just stick to what you have, and make it closest to own expectations.

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post Aug 1 2020, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Aug 1 2020, 06:22 PM)
Spent an afternoon modding and for once nothing went wrong lol.

First goal was to get the Navy on Lock duty.
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Curious thing I discovered is that the center "pin" of Kailh box navies don't go in very far.
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The Kailh is the switch that hasn't been soldered. And as you can see from the clean holes, my desoldering iron is working like magic once again. I think for some reason it doesn't like the KPrepublic PCBs? No problem desoldering my IKBC with either lead free solder or my generic  63/37 solder. Curiouser and curiouser.

Second goal was to undo my band aid mods. Some keys were sticking and slow to return.
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Interestingly not long ago, Taeha Types said in a Twitch stream that he no longer does this mod. Maybe his clients also had the same issues?

And while my stabs were out, I wanted to add some cloth tape on the ends of the wire. I thought I had cloth tape at home but it turns out I didn't. So I used PTFE tape instead. It's not "secured" in any way. I hope I don't regret it in a few weeks....
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And lastly, this is how I got around to removing my spacebar stab with the foam in place.
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about stabilizer band-aid mod, i use ptfe tape instead of lubed fabric band-aid, because i want a clean, not mushy, feel when i bottom out.

for wire tip band-aid mod, it's better to test the outcomes first. this is because if the tap is too thick it will cause mushiness. i am still experimenting with heat shrink mod. a shorter (5mm) tube will get rid of mushiness, but somehow ticking sound comes back. will adjust the location of shrinks on the tips to see if it helps.

glad to see more people are modifying their boards. it's really worth the efforts smile.gif

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post Aug 2 2020, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(taf89 @ Aug 2 2020, 11:43 AM)
how do you secure your PTfe tape on the board?
put on double sided tape?
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the one i have was from taobao, with single-sided adhesive. its thickness is 0.25mm.

edit: the item link at taobao is invalid/no more now. keywords that i used are 加厚 特氟龙高温胶带 隔热耐高温胶布 封口机真空机配件 0.25厚 (note that not all are with single-sided adhesive)

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post Aug 2 2020, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(StuartLee2015 @ Aug 2 2020, 12:17 PM)
just curious, what are you guys talking about? the stabilizers thingy?

My spacebar rattles a little if i tap on both ends.... the switch for the Spacebar is okay though.
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yes i use that ptfe tape to do band-aid mod for stabilizers.

stabilizer tuning is to ensure keys with stabilizers to feel like 1-u keys when typing. when you have tuned linear and tactile switches, the differences are obvious. (hence, inconsistency of typing experience)
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post Aug 2 2020, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(taf89 @ Aug 2 2020, 01:15 PM)
Later i will try to find in taobao.. smile.gif
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tbh you can use anything that works for you for this, as long as it provide outcomes that you want. i did use electrical tape previously. (mainly to get rid of mushy feel)

taobao is a good source for almost everything that i use in board tuning, including hex screws, nylon washers, rubber feet, eva foams, ptfe tapes, o-rings, heat shrinks, and others.

edit: no i didn't use lube on the tapes.


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post Aug 2 2020, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(taf89 @ Aug 2 2020, 02:00 PM)
i use taobao using google translate rclxms.gif

actually i`m not sure what has happen to me, ever since i manage to buy keyboard stuff from taobao,
i feel like my interest in mechanical keyboard is growing biggrin.gif
last time i felt like this was back in 2013.
then busy working.

bought keycaps, switches, stablizers  and many more from there since early this year.
even manage to get Maxkey SA keycaps base set for RM 230.

my latest work is reviving old CM storm quickfire stealth - bought in 2013
desolder old chery swistches and replace with gateron brown. ( lubed, filmed)
+ lubed costar stabilizer biggrin.gif

mechanical keyboard hobby indeed cost me a lot of money.
and right now i`m thinking of buying GMK set + KBDfans KBD8x mkii devil.gif
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being able to get stuff from taobao motivates you. it's a weird motivation lol

this is a a hobby. it's different from just getting a keyboard smile.gif




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post Aug 2 2020, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Aug 1 2020, 06:22 PM)
.. my desoldering iron is working like magic once again. I think for some reason it doesn't like the KPrepublic PCBs? No problem desoldering my IKBC with either lead free solder or my generic  63/37 solder. Curiouser and curiouser.
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this part actually keep me thinking for a while. is it possible that the heat conductivity is a actual problem, because pads on kprepublic pcbs are made of less optimal materials?



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