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hata_ph
post May 25 2020, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(ryan47 @ May 25 2020, 06:57 PM)
Maybe COD Warzone? I don't really have interest in AAA titles yet, cuz I haven't game for a long time. I am aiming for 60+fps and maybe 1080p or 720p on average games (csgo, Dota, lol, destiny 2)
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This is good enough for your usage. For GPU, get NVIDIA 1050ti or AMD RX470/480/570/580 around RM500+, should be able to play 1080p/720p 60 fps with low settings and it fit within your RM 2K+ budget.
If you want to play in higher details or more demanding AAA games, you need to get more expensive hardware. You get what you pay for.

Btw, I am using Kingston A400 dram-less "crap" SSD since last year and encounter no problem at all. It boot and load much more faster than normal HDD and I have no complaint of it's performance with what I pay for it.

Items Price (RM)
Asrock B450M Pro4 318
Adata DDR4 2666 4Gb X2 163
Apacer AS340 SSD 120GB 99.88
Tecware Forge M 139
Seagate 1TB 169
FSP Hyper-K 500w 165
Acer EK220Q 285
AMD Ryzen 3 2300X 299
Total 1637.88





This post has been edited by hata_ph: May 25 2020, 08:20 PM
TristanX
post May 25 2020, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(hata_ph @ May 25 2020, 08:15 PM)
This is good enough for your usage. For GPU, get NVIDIA 1050ti or AMD RX470/480/570/580 around RM500+, should be able to play 1080p/720p 60 fps with low settings and it fit within your RM 2K+ budget.
If you want to play in higher details or more demanding AAA games, you need to get more expensive hardware. You get what you pay for.

Btw, I am using Kingston A400 dram-less "crap" SSD since last year and encounter no problem at all. It boot and load much more faster than normal HDD and I have no complaint of it's performance with what I pay for it.

Items                        Price (RM)
Asrock B450M Pro4        318
Adata DDR4 2666 4Gb X2 163
Apacer AS340 SSD 120GB 99.88
Tecware Forge M        139
Seagate 1TB                169
FSP Hyper-K 500w        165
Acer EK220Q                285
AMD Ryzen 3 2300X        299
Total                                1637.88




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Yup. Its trash.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4697732&hl=A400

Have fun with stutters (includes mouse) when it starts to lag. Less reliable and 3 years warranty too.

I don't cry about the price when the hardware is better.
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post May 25 2020, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 25 2020, 08:47 PM)
Yup. Its trash.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4697732&hl=A400

Have fun with stutters (includes mouse) when it starts to lag. Less reliable and 3 years warranty too.

I don't cry about the price when the hardware is better.
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It is ok since the money is not coming out from your pocket.

Let TS decide what to buy since it is his own money.
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post May 25 2020, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(hata_ph @ May 25 2020, 09:00 PM)
It is ok since the money is not coming out from your pocket.

Let TS decide what to buy since it is his own money.
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LOL. I got a lot of SSDs. Money already out.

Yes, the cons of DRAMless and user experience already pointed out. Its up to him.
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post May 26 2020, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 25 2020, 09:05 PM)
LOL. I got a lot of SSDs. Money already out.

Yes, the cons of DRAMless and user experience already pointed out. Its up to him.
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1. I can't seem to find anyone selling 2300x, where can I find them? Do you have any recommendations?

2. What are you thoughts on 2nd hand/ refurbished parts? I've found some refurbished GPU on shoppee (mainly rx560 570 580) rx580 8gb ddr5 refurbished selling at rm500. 570 560 selling at around rm300+.

3. Which SSD do you recommend? Are the cheap ones mostly DRAMless?

4. This vid seems to show that 1600 is good, but it's an old cpu, the base clock is low, and it's only Zen, but it can still run most games smoothly. What do you think? https://youtu.be/n8_nFpPgkFQ

5. My parents question my decision on buying a desktop since I would be going to college, they asked me why wouldn't I buy a laptop instead? So do you have any laptop recommendations for daily use and light gaming?

Sorry if I asked too many questions 😅 many thanks

Side note : I am not planning to buy the pc ASAP because new ryzen are coming soon, I would wait for that. And the economy is unstable right now, also PSU are getting less and less.

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post May 26 2020, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(ryan47 @ May 26 2020, 12:41 PM)
1. I can't seem to find anyone selling 2300x, where can I find them? Do you have any recommendations?

2. What are you thoughts on 2nd hand/ refurbished parts? I've found some refurbished GPU on shoppee (mainly rx560 570 580) rx580 8gb ddr5 refurbished selling at rm500. 570 560 selling at around rm300+.

3. Which SSD do you recommend? Are the cheap ones mostly DRAMless?

4. This vid seems to show that 1600 is good, but it's an old cpu, the base clock is low, and it's only Zen, but it can still run most games smoothly. What do you think? https://youtu.be/n8_nFpPgkFQ

5. My parents question my decision on buying a desktop since I would be going to college, they asked me why wouldn't I buy a laptop instead? So do you have any laptop recommendations for daily use and light gaming?

Sorry if I asked too many questions 😅 many thanks

Side note : I am not planning to buy the pc ASAP because new ryzen are coming soon, I would wait for that. And the economy is unstable right now, also PSU are getting less and less.
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Can't answer all of the questions; but I'll try:

1. Look for online sellers like Dotatech on Lazada:
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/amd-ryze...554bZcw3PH&mp=1

2. Most refurbished AMD GPUs (like those RX570/580) are likely to be ex-mining (for cryptocurrencies) cards, and they can be a gamble to buy them. Either those cards can last for a long time, or may not. You can't really tell how the cards are being treated during mining, as a lot of them tend to be used/abused depending on how experienced the user is during mining. Usually the experienced will use things like custom BIOS that effectively reduces the voltage and fan speed of the GPU, along with temperature/humidity controlled rooms and a high quality power supply that ensures the longevity of those cards. icon_idea.gif

3. Yes, most cheap ones tend to be DRAMless, and thus I always recommend referring to this guide:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27...2gT4/edit#gid=0

Look under the column DRAM, and if the model says 'no' then avoid them at all costs icon_idea.gif

4. No problem, and in fact if you need more CPU power, you can always upgrade to a newer CPU, provided that you have the correct BIOS for that icon_idea.gif
Tip: Get a decent B450, rather than a B350/A320, as a B450 is the cheapest ticket for you to upgrade to Zen 3 CPUs in the near future icon_idea.gif

5. Without a budget it's hard to recommend, however don't expect to get anything much for RM2K icon_idea.gif

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: May 26 2020, 12:59 PM
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post May 26 2020, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(ryan47 @ May 26 2020, 12:41 PM)
1. I can't seem to find anyone selling 2300x, where can I find them? Do you have any recommendations?

2. What are you thoughts on 2nd hand/ refurbished parts? I've found some refurbished GPU on shoppee (mainly rx560 570 580) rx580 8gb ddr5 refurbished selling at rm500. 570 560 selling at around rm300+.

3. Which SSD do you recommend? Are the cheap ones mostly DRAMless?

4. This vid seems to show that 1600 is good, but it's an old cpu, the base clock is low, and it's only Zen, but it can still run most games smoothly. What do you think? https://youtu.be/n8_nFpPgkFQ

5. My parents question my decision on buying a desktop since I would be going to college, they asked me why wouldn't I buy a laptop instead? So do you have any laptop recommendations for daily use and light gaming?

Sorry if I asked too many questions 😅 many thanks

Side note : I am not planning to buy the pc ASAP because new ryzen are coming soon, I would wait for that. And the economy is unstable right now, also PSU are getting less and less.
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1. C-Zone still selling it.
2. Many mining cards on sale. Its risky.
3. Kingston UV500 120GB. Yes, avoid DRAMless at all cost. chocobo already showed you the list.
4. Yes, 6 core 12 threads. Lower clock speed. Its up to you.
5. Super budget laptop not built for games. Especially when you have Destiny 2 and CoD in mind.

And the wait may give you different spec.

This post has been edited by TristanX: May 26 2020, 01:55 PM
TSryan47
post May 26 2020, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ May 26 2020, 12:54 PM)
Can't answer all of the questions; but I'll try:

1. Look for online sellers like Dotatech on Lazada:
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/amd-ryze...554bZcw3PH&mp=1

2. Most refurbished AMD GPUs (like those RX570/580) are likely to be ex-mining (for cryptocurrencies) cards, and they can be a gamble to buy them.  Either those cards can last for a long time, or may not.  You can't really tell how the cards are being treated during mining, as a lot of them tend to be used/abused depending on how experienced the user is during mining.  Usually the experienced will use things like custom BIOS that effectively reduces the voltage and fan speed of the GPU, along with temperature/humidity controlled rooms and a high quality power supply that ensures the longevity of those cards.  icon_idea.gif

3. Yes, most cheap ones tend to be DRAMless, and thus I always recommend referring to this guide:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27...2gT4/edit#gid=0

Look under the column DRAM, and if the model says 'no' then avoid them at all costs icon_idea.gif

4. No problem, and in fact if you need more CPU power, you can always upgrade to a newer CPU, provided that you have the correct BIOS for that icon_idea.gif
Tip: Get a decent B450, rather than a B350/A320, as a B450 is the cheapest ticket for you to upgrade to Zen 3 CPUs in the near future icon_idea.gif

5. Without a budget it's hard to recommend, however don't expect to get anything much for RM2K icon_idea.gif
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Shouldn't I be aiming for a core with better base clock even with less core/thread? Also zen technology seems old but its still reliable right? The asrock b450m Pro4 is for future proof right?
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post May 26 2020, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 26 2020, 01:55 PM)
1. C-Zone still selling it.
2. Many mining cards on sale. Its risky.
3. Kingston UV500 120GB. Yes, avoid DRAMless at all cost. chocobo already showed you the list.
4. Yes, 6 core 12 threads. Lower clock speed. Its up to you.
5. Super budget laptop not built for games. Especially when you have Destiny 2 and CoD in mind.

And the wait may give you different spec.
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Well, was hoping that waiting for new drops would make old cores/gpu price drop 😅

Also this daily post quota is annoying
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post May 26 2020, 05:33 PM

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I am using Kingston A400 dram-less SSD and ex mining card RX 480 8GB (cost RM320) since last year and it work great until now for what I pay for it.
I understand the risk and i also understand the value I get from it too.

With RM 2K budget, your option are limited for the games you want to play. Sacrifice have to be made.
Btw, do not hope any big price drop for old tech unless you go for used parts.

This post has been edited by hata_ph: May 26 2020, 05:37 PM

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