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TristanX
post May 25 2020, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ May 25 2020, 12:04 PM)
Can go lower... A cheaper Mobo and a cheaper case.. but I'll swap SSD with the HDD.
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Yes, cheaper mobo with shitty VRM. Gonna have to upgrade motherboard again when TS decides to go 3700X or higher.

QUOTE(hata_ph @ May 25 2020, 12:12 PM)
A dram 120GB SSD cost more then RM200 compare to a dram-less SSD, more than double the price per performance. The only downside of dram-less is slower IO and lesser life-span, for only RM100.
Since TS have a RM2K budget, you get what you pay for. BTW, a dram-less SSD still faster than a normal HDD.
For the RAM, i suggest 2x4GB.


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There is UV500 120GB. lol

https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=uv500%20120gb

2X4GB? Then buy 2x8GB in future upgrade. You wanna pay extra?
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post May 25 2020, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 25 2020, 12:16 PM)
Yes, cheaper mobo with shitty VRM. Gonna have to upgrade motherboard again when TS decides to go 3700X or higher.
There is UV500 120GB. lol

https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=uv500%20120gb

2X4GB? Then buy 2x8GB in future upgrade. You wanna pay extra?
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UV500 still 43% more expensive compare to apacer as430. Like I say, you get what you pay for.

The B450M Pro4 have 4 slot, 2x4GB for now, can upgrade to 4x4GB in future if needed total 16GB. 8GB RAM is more than enough for daily usage and light gaming.

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post May 25 2020, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(hata_ph @ May 25 2020, 12:26 PM)
UV500 still 43% more expensive compare to apacer as430. Like I say, you get what you pay for.

The B450M Pro4 have 4 slot, 2x4GB for now, can upgrade to 4x4GB in future if needed total 16GB. 8GB RAM is more than enough for daily usage and light gaming.
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Note though, quad DIMMs can be very tricky to work with on AM4 platforms (especially if you factor something like XMP into the equation) icon_idea.gif

DRAMless drives can, in some cases perform even worse than a mechanical drive, so that's why TristanX has been advising users to go for a DRAM-equipped one icon_idea.gif

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: May 25 2020, 12:28 PM
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post May 25 2020, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(hata_ph @ May 25 2020, 12:26 PM)
UV500 still 43% more expensive compare to apacer as430. Like I say, you get what you pay for.

The B450M Pro4 have 4 slot, 2x4GB for now, can upgrade to 4x4GB in future if needed total 16GB. 8GB RAM is more than enough for daily usage and light gaming.
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Yet his budget have room to fit it.

2X4GB is garbage recommendation on 2020. Go for 1X8GB instead.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ May 25 2020, 12:27 PM)
Note though, quad DIMMs can be very tricky to work with on AM4 platforms (especially if you factor something like XMP into the equation) icon_idea.gif

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Can check the MB hardware compatibility list

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450M%20Pro4/#Support
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post May 25 2020, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 25 2020, 12:32 PM)
Yet his budget have room to fit it.

2X4GB is garbage recommendation on 2020. Go for 1X8GB instead.
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Already 2.1K...

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Super low budget makes it hard for a gaming rig. Quality comes at a price. Just go for these first

AMD Ryzen 3 2300X - 299
Asrock B450M Pro4 - 349
G.Skill Aegis 8GB DDR4-2666 X1 - 169
Sapphire RX 570 4GB ITX - 479
WD Blue or Seagate 1TB - 179
FSP Hyper K 500W - 169
Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 3.1 - 169
Acer EK220Q - 299

RM2112 total (Viewnet prices)

Yes, it plays games.

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post May 25 2020, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(hata_ph @ May 25 2020, 12:35 PM)
Already 2.1K...

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Super low budget makes it hard for a gaming rig. Quality comes at a price. Just go for these first

AMD Ryzen 3 2300X - 299
Asrock B450M Pro4 - 349
G.Skill Aegis 8GB DDR4-2666 X1 - 169
Sapphire RX 570 4GB ITX - 479
WD Blue or Seagate 1TB - 179
FSP Hyper K 500W - 169
Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 3.1 - 169
Acer EK220Q - 299

RM2112 total (Viewnet prices)

Yes, it plays games.

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Yes, if you want SSD a requirement from a low budget rig. Change the HDD to SSD.

Unless you want me to do the math for you.

QUOTE(ryan47 @ May 24 2020, 08:31 PM)
Under 2000, including a monitor. Parents are strict with spending money 😅 a little over 2000 should be alright 😅
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post May 25 2020, 12:57 PM

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R3 3300x 549
Gigabyte B450m 289
Kingston 2x4gb 2666mhz 198
Thermaltake 450w 129
Intel 760p NVMe 128GB 199
WD 1TB 189
Sapphire RX570 4GB 479

RM 2032.
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post May 25 2020, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ May 25 2020, 12:57 PM)
R3 3300x                        549
Gigabyte B450m        289
Kingston 2x4gb 2666mhz 198
Thermaltake 450w        129
Intel 760p NVMe 128GB 199
WD 1TB                        189
Sapphire RX570 4GB        479

RM 2032.
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Crap motherboard, still 2X4GB on year 2020 rubbish, no casing, low quality 450W for RX 570?
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QUOTE(ryan47 @ May 24 2020, 07:34 PM)
My pc is mainly for browsing, gaming, watching videos etc. Games I would usually play are dota2, LOL, CSGO, Destiny 2, Cod Warzone. Not looking for a pc with GPU because I'll leave it in future upgrades.
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Below pricing without GPU. It is within budget and you can upgrade/change any component as you like.

Items Price (RM)
Asrock B450M Pro4 318
Adata DDR4 2666 4Gb X2 163
Apacer AS340 SSD 120GB 99.88
Tecware Forge M 139
Seagate 1TB 169
FSP Hyper-K 500w 165
Acer EK220Q 285
AMD Ryzen 5 3400G 629
Total 1967.88
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I have another suggestion.. go buy 2nd hand dell/HP pc from 2nd hand pc shop... Rm1k for the higher end pc, then u add ram and add graphic card...
hope should be within 2k budget.
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post May 25 2020, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(hata_ph @ May 25 2020, 01:10 PM)
Below pricing without GPU. It is within budget and you can upgrade/change any component as you like.

Items                         Price (RM)
Asrock B450M Pro4         318
Adata DDR4 2666 4Gb X2 163
Apacer AS340 SSD 120GB 99.88
Tecware Forge M         139
Seagate 1TB                 169
FSP Hyper-K 500w         165
Acer EK220Q                 285
AMD Ryzen 5 3400G         629
Total                                 1967.88
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Yet still recommending crap. I don't even want DRAMless SSD garbage for free.

AMD Renoir APU is coming. I would not advise getting 3200G or 3400G now if thats the path he is going to take.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen...sktop-apu-specs

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-400...s.466311.0.html

Destiny 2 Performance:
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https://www.techspot.com/review/1478-destin...-pc-benchmarks/

3400G built-in GPU has around the performance of GT 1030.

This post has been edited by TristanX: May 25 2020, 01:53 PM
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post May 25 2020, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 25 2020, 01:19 PM)

Yet still recommending crap. I don't even want DRAMless SSD garbage for free.

AMD Renoir APU is coming. I would not advise getting 3200G or 3400G now if thats the path he is going to take.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen...sktop-apu-specs

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-400...s.466311.0.html

Destiny 2 Performance:
https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1...bench/1080p.png 
https://www.techspot.com/review/1478-destin...-pc-benchmarks/

3400G built-in GPU has around the performance of GT 1030.
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Damn, that really gave me an idea of how shitty the integrated gpu is 😅 thanks tho, would consider your build, very efficient for everyday use, but I'm open for more suggestions!
Many thanks
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QUOTE(popopi @ May 25 2020, 01:14 PM)
I have another suggestion.. go buy 2nd hand dell/HP pc from 2nd hand pc shop...  Rm1k for the higher end pc, then u add ram and add graphic card...
hope should be within 2k budget.
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Can't find many 2nd hand store in Ipoh 😅even if I did found some 2nd hand store they sell shitty stuff at shitty price. Went to IT Mall just now and many store closed down alr. Found one selling pc parts and they sold out of amd related products. Except a rm3200 pc with ryzen 5 3400g, Kingston 8gb ddr4, no gpu (because they actually sold that separately???? Lol what??) msi mobo(looks like one with gaming features) cooler master 650w psu (maybe 550w don't remember) 120gb ssd and 1tb seagate (forgot ssd brand because I never seen it b4) atx case.

They also have 2nd hand pc costing around 750 (intel setup) and the MOBO is old as fuckkkkk. Seller looked at me and said, this can run dota but I really recommend you to buy new pc.

Also forgot to mention I wasnt trying to play AAA games to be honest, and I am stuck with the daily reply quota so I can't answer everyone's questions.

Many thanks, Ryan
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QUOTE(ryan47 @ May 25 2020, 02:42 PM)
Damn, that really gave me an idea of how shitty the integrated gpu is 😅 thanks tho, would consider your build, very efficient for everyday use, but I'm open for more suggestions!
Many thanks
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Buying everything from same shop may get you some discount as well.

Motherboard has better VRM than most of the rest. Only MSI B450 Tomahawk, B450-A Pro and B450M Mortar beats it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQcgwz1hYA

Asrock B450 Gaming K4 is identical to B450M Pro4 when it comes to VRM. Can even handle 3950X (may still need to upgrade casing) in the future too.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_...t#gid=611478281

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QUOTE(ryan47 @ May 25 2020, 02:49 PM)
Can't find many 2nd hand store in Ipoh 😅even if I did found some 2nd hand store they sell shitty stuff at shitty price. Went to IT Mall just now and many store closed down alr. Found one selling pc parts and they sold out of amd related products. Except a rm3200 pc with ryzen 5 3400g, Kingston 8gb ddr4, no gpu (because they actually sold that separately???? Lol what??) msi mobo(looks like one with gaming features) cooler master 650w psu (maybe 550w don't remember) 120gb ssd and 1tb seagate (forgot ssd brand because I never seen it b4) atx case.

They also have 2nd hand pc costing around 750 (intel setup) and the MOBO is old as fuckkkkk. Seller looked at me and said, this can run dota but I really recommend you to buy new pc.

Also forgot to mention I wasnt trying to play AAA games to be honest, and I am stuck with the daily reply quota so I can't answer everyone's questions.

Many thanks, Ryan
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What AAA you want to play? How many FPS and resolution is your target?
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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 25 2020, 01:19 PM)
Yet still recommending crap. I don't even want DRAMless SSD garbage for free.

AMD Renoir APU is coming. I would not advise getting 3200G or 3400G now if thats the path he is going to take.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen...sktop-apu-specs

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-400...s.466311.0.html

Destiny 2 Performance:
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https://www.techspot.com/review/1478-destin...-pc-benchmarks/

3400G built-in GPU has around the performance of GT 1030.
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Your so called "crap" tech exist for a reason.
If you want more performance you have to pay for it.
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QUOTE(hata_ph @ May 25 2020, 04:46 PM)
Your so called "crap" tech exist for a reason.
If you want more performance you have to pay for it.
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And there is room for Kingston UV500 120GB on your spec. Its laughable recommendation.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 25 2020, 05:32 PM)
And there is room for Kingston UV500 120GB on your spec. Its laughable recommendation.
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Ya...40% increase price...
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QUOTE(hata_ph @ May 25 2020, 04:36 PM)
What AAA you want to play? How many FPS and resolution is your target?
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Maybe COD Warzone? I don't really have interest in AAA titles yet, cuz I haven't game for a long time. I am aiming for 60+fps and maybe 1080p or 720p on average games (csgo, Dota, lol, destiny 2)

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