Went to oriental martial art and got a gi. RM60, i would recommend this place to anyone who is looking for martial arts stuff. btw, thx MFLooi

The owners there are martial artist. They are very well versed in Okinawan arts.

to all sifus here...
i know Krav Maga is banned in Malaysia...

but does anyone of u know where i can learn Krav Maga in Malaysia?
and is there any place that teaches proper Tai Chi?

thanks in advanced...

This post has been edited by RyonanGT: Oct 13 2010, 02:16 PM

There is Tai Chi Huang in Kepong area...

wow nice to see still got ppl discuz abt martial art~~~

neway me train muay thai now... (sorry to aikido as i no longer train it :S)

i'm just starting aikido. mae ukemi (front roll) is hard. haha

same here, started judo class last month. like it

everybody martial arts kinda damn pricy.

in malaysia, for chinese arts like wing chun.
is there any malays learn it? and where?

because to me wing chun is very easy to practice and USEFUL in short range combat.

i really respect with wing chun arts. haha but i'm malay. aduhaiii.

oh btw last time i went to capoirea training. the gym is very syok and the sifu/practitioners there very kind and friendly. but i stopped for awhile to concentrate on my body building for another 2 months.

Hey where do you learn judo? I'm a judoka too.

Goju-ryu karate anyone?

wats this? where?

http://pkdks.tripod.com/Goju-Ryu.htm

I suppose this is a not so popular stream of karate though.

Wing Chun is for everyone!

No restriction as far as I know.

Overseas, I learned wing chun from a black guy. And he had many students who were caucasian, chinese, indian, black etc...

but malaysia how huhu.

Hi,

I'm talking about practicality here. Taekwondo, Karate - damn good. But only after you wear their flexible uniform and after warming up.

Taichi, Aikido - also very good. But during practice only...

Judo, Jiujitsu - also look useful, but only when you're ready in the ring (with precise grappling and locking)

Muay Thai, Kickboxing - damn powerfull...but can you perform all the strong kicks with your suits and pants (skirts) on?

Let's discuss.

Hi, i'm in no way a master, but would just like to give my personal thoughts on this discussion


I'm assuming you are saying that because of the need to stay flexible, my reply would be that, in order to do those arts(and most arts anyways)
you need to keep yourself flexible all the time. even your attire. and FYI, there is an example of people doing taekwondo in suits. try searching human weapons-taekwondo.


This would probably due to the complex nature of the art, but with practice comes perfect. Train hard, and your muscles will remember all
the moves and move reflexively.


I would agree with you in the past, but as said before, practice does make perfect. and not forgetting conditioning exercises to increase
your grip strength. plus, the throws in both martial arts are really deadly in a street fight.


agree that most muay thai kicks need to have loose attire, but some techniques are not required for it. using the elbow, knees, i think u can use jeans to perform them.

in short, some martial art have complex move that does seem inefficient to be carried out in the street. JKD is one of the answers to combat such inefficiency. but, when done correctly with speed and flow(mostly in aikido anyways since that's the one i'm learning) it is feasible.
but if it just in terms of practicality bruce lee's JKD must be one the best,(even though some might not consider it a martial art), since it focus more on fast, direct punch and kicks. but the problem lies if the attacker is physically stronger, direct punch or kicks might not be effective,(unless it accurate to one of the weak spots) which comes back to the purpose of martial arts in the first place(most martial art anyways), the smaller, weaker one, defeating the more physically able.

just my personal thoughts.

IMHO, whether a MA is practical or not depends on how you train. It's best if the training includes sparring against a live resisting opponents who hits back instead of just hitting pads or drilling in a pre-fixed or cooperative way.

Muay Thai, Boxers or Grapplers/Wrestlers sparred often against moving, resisting opponents. That's why they are so effective.

Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imjmLWj5WCU

Best Training!

guess what?? the coach who teaches me MMA also knows a great deal of Krav Maga

No harm trying.

I've been training Aikido for some 17-18 years and in a MMA system called CMD for the past 2 years or so and I would thoroughly recommend trying out different martial arts before deciding which suits you better rather than trying to find out which 'is the best'.

Other martial arts I've tried are jujitsu and brazilian jujitsu for a few months and hapkido and taekwando for a few lessons.

Now I don't profess to be an expert but thought it would be good to share my experiences from training in a traditional environment into a more modern environment.

What surehit says is absolutely true. The reason why muay thai/boxers/wrestlers generally fare better in fights is because they are trained in resisting environments where the other side is under no obligation to play along. The MA practitioner gets used to having not all his techniques work, getting hit and a solid understanding of distancing, limitations of each other's physiques and most importantly the stress of being in a fight.

That's not to say other martial arts are not effective, but often in traditional schools, this fully resisting element is not there or there's a whole set of rules that limit the types of attacks each other can make.

Generally the more rules you have in your training environment, the less prepared you are for an all out real fight.

For example Aikido, the way it is taught traditionally is that you watch a technique performed against a specified attack and then you emulate it. Your partner offers little resistance and is told that resisting will lead to serious injury. When a technique is done properly, this is true but often what happens is that the practice becomes a bit of a dance and even the ukes are 'trained' to offer little resistance so that the nage (person doing the technique) often does not develop a proper understanding of the technique when full resistance is applied.

Some techniques are just impractical (yonkyo for example only works on certain types of people). Others require an extremely dedicated attack.

Now I understand Aikido is not suitable for a sparring art. It is more for self defense where your attacker is out to really hurt you and dedicates himself to the attack. Someone who probes and throws non-committal attacks requires a more aggressive form of Aikido that takes the initiative (and raises the question of whether it's then really 'Aikido').

Now this doesn't mean that Aikido isn't effective. I have attempted to incorporate Aikido when horsing around in sparring, and it is surprising how many principles and locks can be applied on a fully resisting opponent if they don't quite expect it. The same applies with all techniques in general. With a jab cross combo, if someone knows you're about to do it, they can counter. Any sort of attack, when anticipated can be countered. The difference is that a jab cross doesn't necessarily give up much and is quick while an Aikido technique generally requires the Nage to commit to the technique more and is more 'telegraphed' to set up. What you find is that there's only a subset of moves that you can use regularly while the others are highly situational.

Now I see a lot of interest in krav maga and talks of how's its like a killer art. It's indeed a fine art and I mean no disrespect but the same people who extol the virtues of KM often b**** on Aikido for reasons that it's fake etc etc.

I've seen quite a few videos of Krav Maga, and if you take a look the way they train is also similar to Aikido in the sense where you perform a fixed attack and then do your technique on your opponent. The principles look similar, get off the line of attack and then counter. In fact many of the opening entries are similar to Aikido except that instead of a throw, they will knee you, punch you and etc etc.

See this video:

There's kote-gaeshi there, kokyu-ho, several variants of irimi-nage and there's no surprise there since they are indeed the most effective Aikido techniques that are easy to learn. Heck there's even sankyo there.

But take a look deeply at the attacks the 'attackers' are throwing in these 'real life demonstrations' and more often than not you'll find people doing thrusting with their knives and then just leaving it there without a quick withdraw. Or they do their attacks and then freeze allowing the practitioner to pull of a quick succession of moves. Situational training. Same with kungfu, aikido and most other traditional martial arts. Nothing wrong with that as long as you realize the limitations of such training.

When you see Krav Maga or kungfu sparring, it kinda looks like a kickboxing match or even just a street brawl and that's because many of the techniques are situational. Gone are the fancy beautiful moves you see in demos or katas or instructionals. What it comes down to are solid principles and understanding of fight mechanics rather than pure technique. And there's nothing wrong with that. But it's also wrong to think 'OH YA MILITARY USES THIS SO ITS LIKE AUTOMATICALLY AWESOME'. Same with Aikido, in a real street fight, you won't see beautiful rolls and throws, you might even see a few botched attempts and sloppy throws or lots of transitions from one technique to the next when one technique doesn't work.

Real fights look ugly!





If someone is looking for a martial art to get to combat effectiveness quick and to do damage, Aikido isn't for you and I would recommend an art that gets plenty of sparring in. If you are patient and want an art that is rewarding and will eventually lead to effectiveness, then take up Aikido by all means but I do recommend taking a sparring based art as well so that you recognize the limitations of both. Please avoid arts that don't allow you to test crap out because 'EVERYTHING IS SO DANGEROUS AND WILL KILL U'. More likely than not. it's complete bull.

This post has been edited by Reuben: Dec 27 2010, 05:19 PM