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DragonReine
post Apr 10 2021, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Apr 10 2021, 06:21 AM)
I can sense a lot of people always recommend fsm and ask newbie to completely ignore public mutual. This is the performance so far for my publiv mutual fund. Consider both and judge yourself. Some people dont really know what they are talking about.

PGSF - one year old from the start of investment , additional investment during DIP only, lol my way of DCA. When i start investing i was charged 0.5% sales charge since the promo havent started back then.

PIALF- 6 month from the start, invest during dip only, the value shown on the screenshot is around 10% below the peak. This one 0% sales charge as promo already started.
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Both FSM and public mutual service is top notch. I always receive answer/response on the same day.
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People who say ignore public mutual usually see the sales charge n get turn off from it without actually researching the funds laugh.gif

I'm biased because I'm a long time public mutual investor, but I would say "public mutual can't perform" is a very underinformed mentality. Not as high as some famous funds like those in Kenanga and Affin but their growth is generally steady. PM's "weakness" is also a strength if investor is risk adverse.
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post Apr 10 2021, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Apr 10 2021, 06:21 AM)
I can sense a lot of people always recommend fsm and ask newbie to completely ignore public mutual. This is the performance so far for my publiv mutual fund. Consider both and judge yourself. Some people dont really know what they are talking about.

PGSF - one year old from the start of investment , additional investment during DIP only, lol my way of DCA. When i start investing i was charged 0.5% sales charge since the promo havent started back then.

PIALF- 6 month from the start, invest during dip only, the value shown on the screenshot is around 10% below the peak. This one 0% sales charge as promo already started.
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Don't compare 1 year. Compare long term. Long term public mutual is name only and not much substance when compare to peers (fund that invest in same sector).

Combine that with years of under performance and service charge further worsening the performance I am staying far away from public mutual. Remember the fund need to make 3-5% profit just to break even for service charge while I don't need a fund to break even if my fund have no service charge.

Both FSM and public mutual service is top notch. I always receive answer/response on the same day.
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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Apr 10 2021, 10:45 AM)
People who say ignore public mutual usually see the sales charge n get turn off from it without actually researching the funds laugh.gif

I'm biased because I'm a long time public mutual investor, but I would say "public mutual can't perform" is a very underinformed mentality. Not as high as some famous funds like those in Kenanga and Affin but their growth is generally steady. PM's "weakness" is also a strength if investor is risk adverse.
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If a fund consistently underperformed other similar funds I am better off putting money in other funds as my money is working harder as public mutual.

Eg
Other fund 10% p.a for 5 years
Public mutual 7%p.a for 5 years

I won't even bother with public mutual cause the different in 3% over long term will make the one who invest in other fund give a better returns Vs using public mutual using the same money.


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post Apr 10 2021, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Apr 10 2021, 06:21 AM)
I can sense a lot of people always recommend fsm and ask newbie to completely ignore public mutual. This is the performance so far for my publiv mutual fund. Consider both and judge yourself. Some people dont really know what they are talking about.

PGSF - one year old from the start of investment , additional investment during DIP only, lol my way of DCA. When i start investing i was charged 0.5% sales charge since the promo havent started back then.

PIALF- 6 month from the start, invest during dip only, the value shown on the screenshot is around 10% below the peak. This one 0% sales charge as promo already started.
user posted image

Both FSM and public mutual service is top notch. I always receive answer/response on the same day.
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Don't compare 1 year. Compare long term. Long term public mutual is name only and not much substance when compare to peers (fund that invest in same sector).

Combine that with years of under performance and service charge further worsening the performance I am staying far away from public mutual. Remember the fund need to make 3-5% profit just to break even for service charge while I don't need a fund to break even if my fund have no service charge.

QUOTE(DragonReine @ Apr 10 2021, 10:45 AM)
People who say ignore public mutual usually see the sales charge n get turn off from it without actually researching the funds laugh.gif

I'm biased because I'm a long time public mutual investor, but I would say "public mutual can't perform" is a very underinformed mentality. Not as high as some famous funds like those in Kenanga and Affin but their growth is generally steady. PM's "weakness" is also a strength if investor is risk adverse.
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If a fund consistently underperformed other similar funds I am better off putting money in other funds as my money is working harder as public mutual.

Eg
Other fund 10% p.a for 5 years
Public mutual 7%p.a for 5 years

I won't even bother with public mutual cause the different in 3% over long term will make the one who invest in other fund give a better returns Vs using public mutual using the same money.


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post Apr 10 2021, 11:13 AM

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I think it depends on what pm funds focus on? If the sector is US, China or even India, then the performance is great. However, if the funds are focus in malaysia or asean then not so much. I have pingef and pgf. You can know just by the name which fund is doing well and which one is worse than savings account performance.

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post Apr 10 2021, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Apr 10 2021, 10:45 AM)
People who say ignore public mutual usually see the sales charge n get turn off from it without actually researching the funds laugh.gif

I'm biased because I'm a long time public mutual investor, but I would say "public mutual can't perform" is a very underinformed mentality. Not as high as some famous funds like those in Kenanga and Affin but their growth is generally steady. PM's "weakness" is also a strength if investor is risk adverse.
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Totally agree with you on this. For me i consider all the fund and being open minded on all opportunities. I dont understand why one need to have a strong view on something rather than just keeping an open mind.
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post Apr 10 2021, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 10 2021, 11:12 AM)
Don't compare 1 year. Compare long term. Long term public mutual is name only and not much substance when compare to peers (fund that invest in same sector).

Combine that with years of under performance and service charge further worsening the performance I am staying far away from public mutual. Remember the fund need to make 3-5% profit just to break even for service charge while I don't need a fund to break even if my fund have no service charge.
If a fund consistently underperformed other similar funds I am better off putting money in other funds as my money is working harder as public mutual.

Eg
Other fund 10% p.a for 5 years
Public mutual 7%p.a for 5 years

I won't even bother with public mutual cause the different in 3% over long term will make the one who invest in other fund give a better returns Vs using public mutual using the same money.
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This is for PGSF

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This is PIALEF

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They are pretty good so far. Of course past performance is not guaranteed to be repeated. Since we are talking about investing using epf i-invest the sales charge you mention 3-5 % doesnt matter, because those figures are not relevant for epf i-invest.

Not sure if anyone actually read what is written there, i did mention 0.5% since epf i-invest started back in august 2019 for public mutual fund. Right now it is 0% although it is possible to revert back to 0.5% next month. Again that is not a typo, it is half of a percent not 5 percent.

FSM has always been 0% since the start of epf i-invest.

If a funf underperformed it peers for a few years , why would anyone hold on to it? We dont have to be afraid of sales charge here since it is almost non existent. Sell that underperforming fund (thus returning it to epf) and buy another fund instead of switching ( since that could incur some charge). There is lag time though but that is another story.

This post has been edited by backspace66: Apr 10 2021, 12:51 PM
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post Apr 10 2021, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Apr 10 2021, 06:21 AM)
I can sense a lot of people always recommend fsm and ask newbie to completely ignore public mutual. This is the performance so far for my publiv mutual fund. Consider both and judge yourself. Some people dont really know what they are talking about.

PGSF - one year old from the start of investment , additional investment during DIP only, lol my way of DCA. When i start investing i was charged 0.5% sales charge since the promo havent started back then.

PIALF- 6 month from the start, invest during dip only, the value shown on the screenshot is around 10% below the peak. This one 0% sales charge as promo already started.
user posted image

Both FSM and public mutual service is top notch. I always receive answer/response on the same day.
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I assume ppl here asking to avoid PM most likely due to high sales charges, myself included.

Just a note, I remember reading somewhere EPF 0% sales charges will end soon. Sorry I can't find back where I found it.

When the promo ends, fund purchase thru PM will had to pay sales charges. What's the normal rate? 0.5%?

This post has been edited by xcxa23: Apr 10 2021, 01:20 PM
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post Apr 10 2021, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Apr 10 2021, 01:20 PM)
I assume ppl here asking to avoid PM most likely due to high sales charges, myself included.

Just a note, I remember reading somewhere EPF 0% sales charges will end soon. Sorry I can't find back where I found it.

When the promo ends, fund purchase thru PM will had to pay sales charges. What's the normal rate? 0.5%?
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Yes it is 0.5% sales charge using epf i-invest before the 0% SC promo. But one thing about public mutual is switching charge is still there even under promo. Most fund under fsm doesnt have such thing except fund under RHB.
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laa tak habis lagi sentap je...
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QUOTE(farizmalek @ Apr 10 2021, 04:08 PM)
laa tak habis lagi  sentap je...
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post Apr 10 2021, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Apr 10 2021, 12:37 PM)
Totally agree with you on this. For me i consider all the fund and being open minded on all opportunities. I dont understand why one need to have a strong view on something rather than just keeping an open mind.
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The only thing make the difference is the FQ aka financial quotient of the investor himself.
Buying house, car, stocks, some people can end up buying liability or bankrupt but some can eventually getting asset earning passive income
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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Apr 10 2021, 03:58 PM)
Yes it is 0.5% sales charge using epf i-invest before the 0% SC promo. But one thing about public mutual is switching charge is still there even under promo. Most fund under fsm doesnt have such thing except fund under RHB.
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How come I read and it said 3.75% sales charge?
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QUOTE(soules83 @ Sep 11 2021, 08:03 PM)
How come I read and it said 3.75% sales charge?
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I suggest you to go epf website and selet the investment tab, you can verify from there. This is a snapshot i have just taken from the website.

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QUOTE(soules83 @ Sep 11 2021, 08:03 PM)
How come I read and it said 3.75% sales charge?
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you still want 0% sales charge can look for principal funds, you want earn extra welcome reward can pm me for referral
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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Apr 10 2021, 03:58 PM)
Yes it is 0.5% sales charge using epf i-invest before the 0% SC promo. But one thing about public mutual is switching charge is still there even under promo. Most fund under fsm doesnt have such thing except fund under RHB.
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Interesting!
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I myself have paper gains in PM funds and moved from just using an agent to self selecting funds online.
Last year was a busy year buying and switching.
My practice is to realise some of the double digit gains by switching into new funds that I hadn’t bought into before because when I started with UT it was mainly Syariah compliant funds because my agent was malay. Sit on the paper gains or realise and switch?
A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush as the saying goes.
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I tried to purchase Manulife fund using KWSP's self service portal, and noticed it charges 0.5% fee compared to 0% from other funds (Affin Hwang, Public, Principal, Hong Leong, etc), is Manulife really a better fund that justifies 0.5% annual fee?
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My advice is.. keep your existing funds in EPF. The compounding interest in EPF work wonders.

Assuming if you have a balance of rm500k. Annually, you will be getting a return of around RM20k - RM30k.

Unlike UT, you need to pay this and that fees and might also expose to losses if the fund is not performing.

If die die want to play unit trust, I will go for PRS. At least the RM3k invested, I can get tax refund. Already money in your pocket first and the rest will depends on the fund's performance.
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Nov 2 2021, 09:56 AM)
My advice is.. keep your existing funds in EPF. The compounding interest in EPF work wonders.

Assuming if you have a balance of rm500k. Annually, you will be getting a return of around RM20k - RM30k.

Unlike UT, you need to pay this and that fees and might also expose to losses if the fund is not performing.

If die die want to play unit trust, I will go for PRS. At least the RM3k invested, I can get tax refund. Already money in your pocket first and the rest will depends on the fund's performance.
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for PRS, member not allows to withdraw from EPF into PRS.

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Unit Trust, mutual fund, ETF, they are mostly the same. Basket of stocks link to an index or nav. Becareful and checkout the fees, annual fees, sales fee, transfer fees, buying and selling fees.
For every EPF 5%, add maybe around 3$ a UT need to overperform by 8% and more to be same as EPF. Remember you bear all the risk if the UT underperform where it's nav can drop just like share price.
Imagine the pressure to consistent deliver 9% each year and there's danger when it comes to that retirement age when you needed the money the most, the UT index suddenly drop or crash 20~30%.....you may not have the time or years left to let it recover.
Be prudent, if you want to play, maybe 10% of the fund, you put at the highest growth/risk UT.....at least if anything happen u can fall back to the steady consistent EPF growth...

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