"Colonialism" and "good" are not on the same universe

slow la abang, berapa kali nak buka tered

uk bukan us

bodoh

Most probably same dupe

the fact that we no longer have slavery in Malaysia tells that things can change. its a matter of how long it takes. Slow, but slow progress nonetheless. Few things Malays do today is taboo 30 or even 20 years ago but have been normalized. Yes, I came from background that value social intelligence and wisdom when doing things. I guess you don't.

BTW, Do you actually think he really care about slaves feelings eh? lol

They never taught this during my time.
Only that they were heroes fighting against colonialism.
Shows education can be manipulated for political ends.
That's why BN/P,N can songlap and still be hailed heroes.

i dunno why you trying to paint the guy that try to abolish slavery as the bad guy because he's doing things too quickly? there is no right time or wrong time to do the right thing.

if you see someone being tortured, will you go oooh slowly la some group culture is torture people. slow progress and maybe in 30-40 years they will give it up. LOL

wtf.

British are not all saint or trying to do things out of the kindness of their heart or charity
but in this case its very clear whose the bad guy.

slave owner vs anti slave owner.

backstabbers exists anywhere, anytime bro.

dead people kenot speak

moreso in malaysia, for some reason. haha

-― Dan Brown, The Da Vinci Code

Its not black and white la 😂😂😂

British morality at that time (especially their bangsawan) cannot be compared to nowadays.

Just because they are against slavery doesnt mean that they dont believe that they are superior than other races..

They see people like chinese and indians like servants, kuli etc. Example Royal Selangor Club (the one jn dataran) back under british rule no local can enter as its only for mat salleh.. And the servant can only be chinese as no dark skin people can enter.. This is not slavery but doesnt sound any different to me than apartheid...

2 wrong doesnt make 1 right.. So it was, it is and it will never be clear like what you said

This post has been edited by akutaksempurna: May 12 2020, 01:08 PM

Pasir Salak and race card. Hrmm

ok. idk how to calculate objectively saying more so in here. But some civilizations unable to go out expanding their empire because for centuries, or even millenia buzy fighting/backstabbing among themselves.

Ya some civilization that think that they are center of the world but in the end kena plundered by european and japanese also 😂

I am sure they dont backstab each other either

This post has been edited by akutaksempurna: May 12 2020, 01:10 PM

TS, what we have here are fundamental disagreements between cultures.

It must be remembered that, since the time of the Sultanate of Malacca, Malays have lived in a feudal society. In this society, the ultimate source of moral authority is the Sultan. Of course, as the Sultan cannot be at all places at all times, some of his moral authority is devolved to several feudal lords who, amongst other things, raise defenses and collect taxes on the authority of the Sultan. The ordinary folk derive their morals and values based on the values of the people above them in the social hierarchy.

Then, here comes Birch, a complete outsider from the social system that has sustained Perak for centuries. Birch came to Perak as Resident in the 1870s, following about 50 years of the complete abolition of slavery throughout the British Empire. The push towards abolishing slavery was, itself, fed by Christian (primarily Quaker) evangelism over two centuries which argued that slavery was un-Christian, as well as post-Enlightenment thought that places value on inalienable rights of man.

The two world-views are fundamentally different. For Birch to attempt to push his world-view onto Perak, what do you think was going to happen? For Birch to subsequently be vilified as the demon who tried to "colonise Malaya" and for his assassins to raised as anti-colonialist heroes is completely logical under the feudalistic world-view propagated by the Malay elite. It is also completely consistent with the desire to perpetuate a feudalistic system where the traditional orang besar still maintain some form of their privileges and position in society today.

meanwhile the rest of british empire use coolies/kuli as a thinly veiled slavery under a different label

TS is just a racist idiot la..

China not feudal system meh?? All those dynasties and so on...

He is not debating about history or the accuracy of it.. Just want to racing

Songlap is our culture since 1875.