meanwhile the rest of british empire use coolies/kuli as a thinly veiled slavery under a different label

isnt we seeing the same thing today? mana boleh accept modernisation... potek potek..

TS is just a racist idiot la..

China not feudal system meh?? All those dynasties and so on...

He is not debating about history or the accuracy of it.. Just want to racing

wow.. lot of historian here now..
jww birch is good..commies is good..
what else.. yup..only jap is no good coz they defeat the ccp..

TS, what we have here are fundamental disagreements between cultures.

It must be remembered that, since the time of the Sultanate of Malacca, Malays have lived in a feudal society. In this society, the ultimate source of moral authority is the Sultan. Of course, as the Sultan cannot be at all places at all times, some of his moral authority is devolved to several feudal lords who, amongst other things, raise defenses and collect taxes on the authority of the Sultan. The ordinary folk derive their morals and values based on the values of the people above them in the social hierarchy.

Then, here comes Birch, a complete outsider from the social system that has sustained Perak for centuries. Birch came to Perak as Resident in the 1870s, following about 50 years of the complete abolition of slavery throughout the British Empire. The push towards abolishing slavery was, itself, fed by Christian (primarily Quaker) evangelism over two centuries which argued that slavery was un-Christian, as well as post-Enlightenment thought that places value on inalienable rights of man.

The two world-views are fundamentally different. For Birch to attempt to push his world-view onto Perak, what do you think was going to happen? For Birch to subsequently be vilified as the demon who tried to "colonise Malaya" and for his assassins to raised as anti-colonialist heroes is completely logical under the feudalistic world-view propagated by the Malay elite. It is also completely consistent with the desire to perpetuate a feudalistic system where the traditional orang besar still maintain some form of their privileges and position in society today.

Malaysia so ulu meh? No electricity, power, internet ah?

da fk. china feudalistic bullshit can go to hell too. current china is lagi teruk with the ccp winnie pooh poopyhead

instead of admiting our own mistakes of supporting slavery back then, yall trying to protect??

TS is just a racist idiot la..

China not feudal system meh?? All those dynasties and so on...

He is not debating about history or the accuracy of it.. Just want to racing

I wonder china got slavery or not 🤔

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China

The point is what mistake is there to be admitted...

Its true there might be slavery but its inaccurate to put jww birch as savior.

You cannot compare olden day civilization moral value vs modern day moral values.

If there is slavery back then got so bad like British who made all the indians, malay, chinese, polynesian, africans into kulis or sub class??

I don't think TS is racist lah. He is definitely putting forward a viewpoint opposite to the traditional one we are taught. I don't think this is invalid but we do have to, of course, keep in mind the prevailing social context.

China is a different case, I don't even know which China we're talking about (PRC or ROC), but both of them are still grappling with post-feudal life, this is true. Having said this, Chinese feudalism has been different in its implementation. For one, the Chinese bureaucratic system was highly centralised in the hands of the imperial court. Governors in the provinces tended to be mandarins chosen by an imperial bureaucracy rather than hereditary lords. In some ways, the power of the emperor who, while considered a demi-god, was filtered through mandarins and such who could, and frequently were, picked from the common folk via examinations. It's not the same as traditional Malay feudalism where feudal lordship is hereditary. Birch should have known this, of course, seeing that Malay feudalism appears, in this particular sense, more similar to European feudalism than it does Chinese feudalism.

Anyway, totally different cases.

To call JWW Birch a good guy though 🤣

china emperor also got harems of 3000 sex slaves and thats disgusting. why cannot compare and point out the shitty things people did back then?

not true? in this case compare JWW birch with that maharajela guy.

one guy try to abolish cronyism, try to abolish slavery, try to modernized feudal system
another, own slaves, crony, songlap, murderer.

which is good guy which is bad guy?

i feel like using the culture differences is a cop out excuse to defend the monstrosity done by our forefathers back then.

yes its cultural difference but some culture is more wrong than others. especially when we now have the knowledge and awareness so why cant we point out the mistakes done less we forget about it and repeat it?

germans are so open about the monstrosity done by hitler and nazis, they acknowledge it not try to change the narrative in history books.

another mistakes we can see is by the japanese, they rape and pillage and kills throughout and until today most do not acknowledge the things that happens.

even china also same, they hail their government as king and dont acknowledge that their government policy kills 20-46million  people in less than a decade.

even in usa also got, the deep south, the conservatist with their confederate flags flying because oh no they cant kill or lynch black people or own them anymore.