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post May 20 2007, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(hongwai @ May 20 2007, 04:44 PM)
Thanks for the clarification. I thought it's juz water set imported in bulks for AP sets.
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Watersets imported illegally.

Ap sets imported in bulk legally.
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post May 21 2007, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(zac1 @ May 21 2007, 10:45 AM)
in malaysia water set mean imported illegal right? but last time i go china ,the guy said in china ,water set is the phone that produce illegally(like nike shoe)
actually which is correct
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waterset in here usually mean things that you bring in illegally, avoiding the tax.

things that is produced illegally, i.e. imitating other product, violating patent law etc is imitation, fake or grade A/grade B stuff.
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post May 23 2007, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(hongwai @ May 22 2007, 12:19 PM)
Hmm then some so called AP, bringing in sets with vodaphone/o2 casings on it, but reflashed to normal firmware...and as far as I know, these phones belong exclusively to those telco companies, and given under contract...fishy...

So technically, you pay the taxes and duties, it's considered AP? Doesnt matter how it's obtained?
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that is perfectly normal. some ap company bring in branded set (e..g vodafone, orange etc) and flashed to local firmware to suit local market. nothing wrong.

those branded set, is not necessary given under contract. they can be obtained via pay-as-you-go set a.k.a prepaid set.
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QUOTE(ahza7880 @ May 30 2007, 06:20 PM)
I just bought Nokia 6280 from a shop in Seremban..it has i-mobile sticker at back that shown 07/06..what does it mean? Does the warranty start on july 06? when i ask the saleperson, he said the phone is original and new and has one year warranty from nokia from the date i bought which 28 April 07..is that true? or i just being conned?
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sounds like a second hand set to me. since the warranty started 07/06. but then since you already bought it, have a look at the warranty card, if the warranty states to start at 04/07, i guess that is fine, else nothing much you can do too.

QUOTE(goldilocks @ Jun 1 2007, 07:01 PM)
Now let me tell you the story about my nokia handset (zitron warranty).

I bought one few days ago at this handphone shop (not stalls) near tesco mutiara in the evening. The next morning I found out that the handset hangs whenever the charger is inserted. By lunch time, I brought it to nokia care. It was returned to me 2 hours later but when I got home I found that the problem's still there. Was advised to go back to the shop where I bought the phone to get an exchange since it's a brand new set and that I did (within 24 hrs). The shop held on to the set, promised to call and never did. I made numerous trips to  the shop and almost squatted there.
Finally, someone from the company called me and told me they can't exchange a set no matter what. Once the warranty card is chopped the handset is yours and your problem. So now it's going to some zitron authorized service centers and will take approximately 3 weeks I was told.
I feel cheated. I insisted on a zitron set thinking I will surely get better after sales service. Now after paying >rm1000 I am being told that I have to wait for almost a month before I can get to use the phone. How would you feel ?
Is there any difference between a zitron and avaxx set?
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hm, that is why you should request change of set as soon as possible, (more effective if within 24 hours) and insist hardly.

for your case, it would be great if you want to bring the case to consumer tribunal or at least threaten the shop to bring the case to consumer tribunal etc for damage done or loss.

it is not the fault of zitron or avaxx. it the fault of the shop, refuse to change for a defect set, which obviously is not your fault. zitron or avaxx set, no difference.
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post Jun 2 2007, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(goldilocks @ Jun 2 2007, 12:43 AM)
I requested for an exchange but that salesman say boss say have to check first lah, scold him also no use, say he makan gaji only lar.

Youngkies, they are holding on to the set now. You think I should try to get back the handset 1st?

Yes, I think I better bring this to the consumer tribunal. In fact I've found the office address in Shah Alam. Will update you people on this.
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who are holding the set now? zitron/avaxx service center or the shops selling you the phone?

if your phone in service center, nothing much you can do except wait for them to completely repair it. and you can still bring the case to tribunal as the time frame is just too long, you can claimed fro compensation from the shop.
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QUOTE(neoescundo @ Jun 20 2007, 03:49 PM)
hi all. regarding ap company,
i just bought one phone today from LYN forumner.
it came with a warranty card with address and T&C of the company, but there is no dealer stamp or whatsoever =_=...

do i need to fill in the details and send it back to them on the date of purchase? or just bring it along to claim warranty? no idea here..
newbie plz help wink.gif
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no worry! as long as there is address of the of the ap company, and date of purchase, it should work fine.
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QUOTE(ck.kelvan @ Jun 25 2007, 05:12 PM)
hey guys, i planning to buy n80i ap set soon, can u guys tell me how to make sure this fon tat i buy soon is 1st hand?
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have a look at the manufacturing date, new set should not be too far from now, unless old stock.

else check as normal for any usage sign, tear and wear, use mark, contacts, files and folders inside, call timer, sms inbox etc etc.
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post Jun 25 2007, 09:28 PM

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[quote=ck.kelvan,Jun 25 2007, 09:15 PM]
[quote=youngkies,Jun 25 2007, 08:41 PM]
have a look at the manufacturing date, new set should not be too far from now, unless old stock.

can tell wat u mean by manufacturing date?is it check inside de fon or check by d box?
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shud be on the sticker at the back of the phone, where there is details of the phone.
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post Aug 8 2007, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(pinkfuzzychick @ Aug 7 2007, 11:51 PM)
i jz got a new hp.. the imei number is same as the sticker on the phone.. but different on the box.. so is this counted as original or AP? unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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that is very usual for ap set.

but very unusual for ori set. if you is ori set, then you really have to doubt abt it.


Added on August 8, 2007, 12:38 am
QUOTE(SiuYi @ Aug 5 2007, 10:36 AM)
isit most hp from foreign countries will get it locked if u bring over to malaysia?for example europe?
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not really. some telco like to lock their phone (e.g. 3 and vodafone) while some only lock few of their phones / models.

the reason why they lock it is not because to prevent you to bring it into other country, it is because to prevent you from changing to other telco.

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post Aug 18 2007, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(alanelf @ Aug 17 2007, 03:10 PM)
how to check weather the sony ericsson phone is original or ap
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Aug 17 2007, 03:15 PM)
Check the IMEI match on the sticker behind and inside the phone (*#06#) , and match the box
Check the sticker.
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easier way is, anything (sticker / warranty company) other than t-choice, thorus and midlands are not original.

QUOTE(xplora @ Aug 17 2007, 04:29 PM)
sorry after reading the 1st page, i'm still confused abit and need some experts and taiko taiko advice.

I want to buy N95 but should i get AP or Avaxx/Zitron?
1) The seller told me the difference battery is better and warranty can claim international? Is that true or anything different beside the 1st post explaination?
2) If i go to the Maxis center and get the phone from them (myMaxis phone?), i assume they are selling Avaxx/Zitron right?
thanks a lot! please guide me.  notworthy.gif  thumbup.gif
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international warranty? not really. you wont be covered if your phone go out of the country, so as other country set wont be covered in malaysia service centre too. example: ori singapore set in malaysia = waterset, not covered. so international warranty, i dont think so. though some phone in other country is covered in other country (i.e. European)

wat diff of ori and ap? ori: peace of mind, nationwide warranty, expensive. for such expensive phone, it is better to get original set. peace of mind really if anything goes wrong. in addition this phone has known loose slide mechanism, f.o.c service for ori set and with ori set, it will come with all the local support you need (i.e. gps map/support), where some ap set does not.

no. 2. if you bought from maxis, it should be ori set. but make sure it is not branded unless it is way cheaper than normal ori set.
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QUOTE(samuel89 @ Aug 28 2007, 12:46 AM)
where does csl's n95 come from?? is it advisable to get csl over avaxx or zitron?? money is not really a prob act...but it's gd if can save a lil bit...as long as it wouldn't give much problem.. hope to hear from u guys soon...
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for n95. better get the original one. because of the warranty (for the know loose sliding issue) and full map support.

ap set can be from any other countries.
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post Aug 30 2007, 03:58 AM

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QUOTE(samuel89 @ Aug 28 2007, 01:13 PM)
the map can be dled anyway right....as 4 the sliding issue...u mean it is only warranted by nokia malaysia? ANother thing..if get ori, get avaxx or zitron??what r the advantages???
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yup, map can be downloaded, but not for further/ future support if there is any.

sliding issue, if you encounter that, you may get foc service, part replacement from nokia service center.

avaxx or zitron? no different.
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QUOTE(samuel89 @ Aug 30 2007, 11:48 AM)
ic...u mean if i bought ap and encountered that sliding prob, i will need to pay to get that thing fixed even under warranty? another thing is do any ap company use original parts for repair? I remember reading somewhere in this forum that they dun.
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exactly.

and you will never know what have they done to your phone in servicing.
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QUOTE(amyhs99 @ Aug 30 2007, 04:59 PM)
>*<<*<*
There is a total call time option there...
It cant be reset by master reset....
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she/he is right. but that can be reset by flashing the firmware too.

nothing much to surely check if the phone is used before or not except by instinct.

look at the manufacturing date as well. new set shouldnt be too far from now.
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Aug 30 2007, 11:40 PM)
My SE w610i got 2 options: Reset total & Reset outgoing. I think it can be reset. Btw, where to check manufacturing date? Thanks.

@youngkies
Btw, it's a 'He'. I'm listed as male what  tongue.gif
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at the back of the phone. on the sticker behind the battery.
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Aug 31 2007, 09:44 PM)
I'm trying to check the IMEI on the phone but the Kelas sticker cover a portion of the IMEI no. Any other way to check the IMEI? sweat.gif
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key in *#06#
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Sep 1 2007, 07:52 PM)
Or >*<<*<* and then choose "Configuration".
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for sonyericsson only.
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QUOTE(lala01 @ Sep 7 2007, 10:34 AM)
wan to ask.. water set has no waranty but y still there are people who wanna buy it? hmm.gif

some say water set oso ok... use few months then sell out... some more sometimes water set looks like normal hp... how to check ya wen wanna buy 2nd hand hp? some say use 1 year dy no more waranty but its because water set itself dun have waranty de..

thankss
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cheap.

waterset is like original set or ap set too. only that they dont have warranty. brought in personal by ppl from oversea or smuggled in.

waterset is indeed a normal hp. they are not imitation or self made set, or china branded set or watever. but it could be stolen set or anything. the origin of waterset is unknown too, just like ap set, unless it is brought in personally by some ppl, returning home from some country.

as for warranty, they can said whatever they want. all u hv to know, there is not warranty to waterset.

how to check? waterset is not warranted by any company, no sirim sticker etc, then tat is waterset. though some ppl could just fixed some fake sirim sticker or warranted the phone by the phone shop itself and sell them as ap set.
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Sep 11 2007, 08:57 PM)
Most of the case, no.
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no for ap sets only.

QUOTE(mingwei @ Sep 11 2007, 09:52 PM)
Hi everyone, Im getting myself a new SE hp soon and it is an AP set.. how can i actually determine it is a original accesory and not a recon phone? izzit by typing >*<<*<* to check it? if yes, how can i check it? which option should i choose? Do i need to put in sim card to test it?  im using nokia 2100 at the momment and i dunno much about SE phone, can some one guide me, thxs..

your sincerely,
mingwei
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as for accessories, you can check by its quality, like sound output for the earpiece etc.

check the time in that service menu, make sure it is 0 to show the phone is new.

QUOTE(Lacus @ Sep 17 2007, 02:45 PM)
Guys, my dad jz bought a Original Midland W300i. Yesterday i notice the memory card included is not Sony but SanDisk and the data cable seems poor quality. Any idea how to verify those accessories is original or not?
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it normal some SE phones come with Sandisk memory card.
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Sep 27 2007, 01:49 PM)
? You mean firmware? AP set/Ori set can update their firmware for free thru SEUS..
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not all ap set can use seus, as said by ktcy.

QUOTE(KTCY @ Oct 1 2007, 07:14 PM)
Some AP set can't update through SEUS because of the different of CDA number. They have to flash to APAC region firmware with correct CDA number before can update through SEUS.
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not because of different CDA no, but instead non-matching cda no. corresponding to the region setting. eu firmware comes with eu cda string, while apac firmware comes with apac cda string.

those ap company flash the firmware to one with local language support, but doesnt bother to change the cda key to the right one. seus figure out what firmware to upgrade based on the cda and ur current firmware, if it is non-matching, then it wont able to continue.



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