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post Oct 22 2020, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(UrbanGraduate @ Oct 22 2020, 02:54 AM)
Is this too high for insurance under 30?

Premium: RM300/month

Coverage amount: RM 100,000
A-Lifelink 2 (Death Benefit): RM 100,000
A-PlusDisabilityCare (TPD): RM 100,000
A-PlusCriticalCare: RM 100,000
Medical Limit: RM 1,500,000 (no lifetime limit)
Deductible: RM 300
R&B: RM 200
Hospital Income: RM 100/day

Should I aim lower?
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There is no such thing as "too high" or "too low", it depends on what you're covering and the price tag it comes with for "X" period.

You should ask yourself why 100k coverage ?

Why hospital income 100/day ?

Why Room 200 ?
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post Oct 22 2020, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(UrbanGraduate @ Oct 22 2020, 02:45 PM)
Currently, my premium is taking up 6% of my overall income. Am targeting just under 5% for protection as I dont think there's high risk. My cash liquidity and savings is generally enough to cover possible issues.

The coverage seems okay, compared to quotes I have at GE. But maybe you guys have better understanding perhaps? Hence why I'm asking here.

It seems that the consensus is that RM200 is good enough for decent coverage.

Plus Im also insured by my employer, on top of SOSCO and my family civil servant family program as my parents are in Gov
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I'm not sure what the agents have gone through to discuss things with you before the above was recommended. Looks to me that it was just cooked up like a packaged plan.

But if you're working within a fixed budget in mind then perhaps you should set what should be prioritized first in the coverage.

i.e since you're covered by the employer + parents working in gov sector, perhaps hospital income is not required

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post Oct 22 2020, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(eviechu28 @ Oct 22 2020, 04:52 PM)
Alliance agent told me that their policy is one price forever once you sign on it. is it true?

while AIA is term policy so it increase a lot every 3-5yrs, true?
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Depends on the policy type you’re buying
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post Oct 22 2020, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(eviechu28 @ Oct 22 2020, 06:49 PM)
yes it is allianz power link.... im asking agent to show me
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If it's powerlink then the premium may not remain forever the same if it's included with a medical benefit.

If it's just Life policy such as Allianz 1Cover then yes the premium is fixed for 30 years.

Hence goes back to my answer, depends on the policy type you're buying

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post Oct 23 2020, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(edwin1002 @ Oct 22 2020, 06:04 PM)
Any cheapest medical insurance (online or agent) recommend for age around 54 and 60? Coverage of medical can below than 100k
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What's your budget?

Age 54 and 60 which is male and female?

Smokers or not?
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post Oct 25 2020, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(riceuball @ Oct 25 2020, 07:27 PM)
Hi sifus, would really appreciate some advice here.

I purchase an investment-linked medical insurance plan from GE for RM210/month at the beginning of this year before I turned 24yo. AL ~1.3mil, no lifetime limit, sum assured 50k until age 90. Below is the breakdown for reference:

SMARTPROTECT ESSENTIAL 3
IL CRITICAL ILLNESS BENEFIT RIDER
IL PREMIUM WAIVER EXTRA RIDER
SMARTMEDIC XTRA
SMART EXTENDER 120K (R&B200)

I went for a lower sum assured as I currently have no dependents and 50k is enough for my family to pay off my student loans. My priority was to get a good medical plan while I'm young and don't think about it IMO. However, just recently my insurance agent has been promoting a CI rider that is allegedly the only CI plan in the market that provides multiple pay-outs up to 8 times, including early, intermediate and advanced stages. I believe it's called Smart Multi Critical Care?

Okay so the thing is, I'm interested in this plan however it will be another RM150/month for 150k sum assured. To me it's absurd to be paying a total of RM360/month for my age. I asked my agent if it's possible to drop the CI benefit rider and replace this instead however they told since I locked this 50k "earlier", it's better to buy as a separate plan instead of withdrawing my rider, i.e. if I want my sum assured to be 200k, they recommend topping up 150k and keep the old rider. They also said if I were to make any changes to my current plan, the premium price might increase due to my age (I've turned 24yo) and the waiting time will be refreshed. I honestly doubt that the premiums will increase significantly because to me, it seems redundant to pay for a second ILP plan, wouldn't I be paying more insurance charges as well?

Also, I kinda regretted buying this insurance plan because few months into my job, I found out that my company's group insurance provides an opt-in deductible medical plan on top of our current existing medical plan, and it provides coverage even after I left the company with deductible waived after I reach retirement age. The employee benefits also included Life term insurance and it's higher than what I have for my personal plan lol. Only downside is that the max. renewal age for the group medical plan is 79yo. If I knew about this earlier I would have not purchased my personal insurance so early and would only get one medical/life term insurance after I reached my 30s as a backup.

I raised these concerns to my agent but y'know, they told me to keep my personal insurance because it's a waste to surrender or change bla bla bla, and it's good to buy early because I'm still young with no pre-existing illness sweat.gif

1) Should I keep my current personal plan and reduce the sum assured for the Smart Multi Critical Care for lower premiums? If so, should I insist on removing the CI benefit rider? Is Smart Multi Critical Care really necessary for my age at all?
2) Should I consider purchasing the additional group insurance scheme and lower my current plan's AL to reduce premiums? I know standalone medical plans will increase more as compared to ILPs but will it be the same for group insurance schemes?
3) Would it be better for me to opt-in for the group insurance scheme, surrender my current plan and only get one when I'm in my 30s? Yes the premiums will be higher by then but at that age, I will be more financially well to afford it right? I would have also saved more over the years by paying lesser premiums, right...?

Fyi I'm a 24f, single, non-smoker. Sorry for the long essay but I feel really lost right now  sad.gif
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I can see that you have an inner hunger to understand all these financial tools offered out there. As an ex consumer like you before I became a financial consultant. You may or may not have all the knowledge to make the right decision.

Many will come in here to advise you 101 different ways of doing it making you even more confused.

There are many aspect that are left out such as your future plans, future cost of the insurance plans, what are your budgeting for your personal finances and the list goes on.

To answer you in short,
1. Personal insurance or group insurance offers similar purposes which is protection vs premium incurred. Normally personal insurance will be more comprehensive than group plans. Though the premium pays le will differ.
2. Without knowing your details above, there is almost zero possibility to pin point the right solution for you.
3. You got triggered after your agent starts to sell you instead of advising you.
4. May I suggest you speak to a consultant for a proper advise. Yes a consultant, not a salesman insurance agent.
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post Oct 26 2020, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(coldbasecamp @ Oct 25 2020, 11:05 PM)
Came across this, was surprised cause most of the content I saw / heard from insurance agent suggested otherwise (which is understandable as they earn a living out of it).
I wonder if taking insurance early (and never changed company since) will increase the likelihood of the company accepting the application / upgrading our plan when we ages? (assuming ceteris paribus)
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No, taking a policy early even at 1 years old and hold until 100 years old would not increase your likelihood of the same company to accept future / upgrade of the plan.

It's based on your existing health condition at that moment of application that is the consideration before the company accepts your application or choose to offer you any upgrades.

QUOTE(chris2k @ Oct 26 2020, 03:55 AM)
Hi all, I've had Great Protectlink ILP for many years, with Lion Strategic Fund. I've now realised that the performance has been terribly bad and I've actually lost money after so long (double digit percentagewise). If I had put the money even in a savings account, I would've actually made money. Yes, that bad. sad.gif

Could I get some advice on what's the best thing to do right now? Switch to a different fund (which fund)?

Or reduce premium and put it in EPF or something else instead?

My objective is retirement funds. Thanks for your help.
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You may choose to switch the funds to reduce the risk of losses

if you've bought it for the purpose of investment to grow the funds ... then you've bought the plan for the wrong purpose

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post Oct 27 2020, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Oct 27 2020, 10:24 AM)
I received a notification from PruBSN today that my policy will be repriced from 2021 onwards with a whopping 25% increase. Is this across the board or only me?
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Across the board


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post Oct 27 2020, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Oct 27 2020, 10:26 AM)
25% increase is insane though. I've had two increases in the last 7 years. I shudder to think how much I'd have to fork out in 20 years just to maintain the same benefits.
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smile.gif healthcare is expensive
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post Oct 27 2020, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(sieghurt @ Oct 27 2020, 10:52 AM)
hi,
i am a uni student that still have few months till graduate and i am seeking to get started some insurance coverage.

can i have some recommendation thats below RM 100 which i can upgrade it later in the future?
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You can start with a standalone, payor can be your parents
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post Oct 28 2020, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(encikbuta @ Oct 28 2020, 03:37 PM)
not sure if this has been asked before but here goes. I'm currently reviewing my Great Eastern ILP plan and I noticed that my funds are 100% invested in Lion Strategic Fund. I am just wondering if that really is the most suitable fund for me? A bit about me, I'm 35 yrs old and I don't mind going high risk (heavy on equities).

Looking at the fund description, this Lion Strategic Fund floats between Fixed Income and Equity with the goal of reducing downside risk. Seems a bit 'safe'. I think I'm more a 'Lion Enhanced Equity Fund' kind of guy. Besides having huge weight in equities, I also like it that they diversify out of Malaysia (i.e. 50% M'sia, 25% HK, 25% SG).

I usually would do my own analysis but public information on these funds are quite hard to obtain. Best i could do is compare the bloomberg chart but that just goes as far 5 years only. Also, Bloomberg just tracks the unit price and doesn't account for the fund distributions.

If you guys also know where I can access the latest fund factsheet for all the Great Eastern Lion funds, that would be greatly appreciated  biggrin.gif

If I had it my way, I would just go all into Lion US-i Fund (just track the S&P 500) but the GE e-connect website won't allow me the option to do so. I guess they only allow transfer between local funds.

Edit: I do understand that insurance plans should not used as a vehicle to grow wealth. That said, I guess there is no harm in trying to maximize returns since there is already an investment element in it? biggrin.gif
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https://www.greateasternlife.com/my/en/pers...t-of-funds.html

You can also look up the details in Bloomberg.

Cheers.

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post Oct 29 2020, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(GTA5 @ Oct 29 2020, 09:05 AM)
Hi all sifus,

Anyone experienced their medical card premium increased?

Am using Great Eastern, today I received an email that my premium will be increased.

However, I have 2 options: either to Accept or Reject the increment.

My question is, if I choose to reject the increment, will it affect my coverage in the future?

Thanks!

#hidupsusahsekarang
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If you're tight on cash now, you can choose to reject the increment first and do it later.

What it will affect you is just on the term of coverage as the insurance company had increased their cost chargeable on you.

Hence they recommend you to top up soonest as possible.


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post Oct 29 2020, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Oct 29 2020, 10:03 AM)
if do later, the increment could be much higher?

roughly how much?
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The insurance company will need to requote for you base on their internal calculation, there is no fixed amount/percentage table that can be used since everyone's account value is different.
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post Oct 30 2020, 10:53 AM

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wink.gif already got more than 10 post + a thread elsewhere about premium hike, I think it's kind of obvious that premium cost have increased for most insurance companies. if you're looking to reduce/maintain the premium, you may consider to include some deductibles to the policy (provided there is such option).

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Oct 30 2020, 11:47 AM)
There isn't.
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Will be given once you agree to it, have to request from company.
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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Oct 30 2020, 01:11 PM)
If I change my premium payment frequency from annually to monthly, is there any significant impact or is there even affecting my policy?
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no significant impact
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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Oct 30 2020, 01:12 PM)
From what I had been told for, the premium will be slightly more expensive.
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No such thing, that is only applicable to term policies.

For ILP, this is not applicable.

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Oct 30 2020, 01:16 PM)
So I change the payment term frequency as I like without any penalty?
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Of course not, it can only be done on the policy's anniversary / renewal
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post Oct 30 2020, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Oct 30 2020, 01:26 PM)
I'm confused:
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That statement was for term or ILP ?
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post Oct 30 2020, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Oct 30 2020, 01:32 PM)
Just received letter saying next year medical card premium will be increased..
Agent says better to cancel current and get new one because can get better coverage.

Is that really true or agent just wanted extra commission from new policy?

And btw i thought medical card with ILP premium will not increased because already took into calculations and also income from generated investment is enough?

If ILP also will increase premium why not i just take standalone medical card?
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Whether it's Standalone or ILP, it will be impacted by the repricing since both products offers medical coverage. It's just a matter of which product that is being repriced by the insurance company.

The reason ppl get ILP is for a more comprehensive coverage rather than just a medical plan.

and it may/may not be true depending on the plan that you've bought.

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