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post Oct 13 2020, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Oct 13 2020, 06:15 AM)
Yes I will do that if the agent did not come to visit us in a month's time

Since the letter mentioned the new premium will only have to be paid in December 2021, December 2020 will still be at existing premium I guess I can still wait until at least mid 2021 to visit the office hopefully after COVID-19 subsides
No worry, I will decide with reference to your info but finally it will be my recommendation / responsibility with her decision / consent, no we are not relying on her for income but in the past before we started work yes

We still can share her premium now but it sounds like no ending if every few years they jsut send a letter telling you a 15% hike like how are we gonna absorb that

Back to the letter, it was like what you mentioned that they said the hike is due to increase in medical cost, the same old story as the previous hikes

Option 1 you mentioned even if you increase your premium, your cash value may still decrease but at a slower rate. but I thought it was as simple as units of unit trust bought x unit price, or you are referring to the rate of increase after each premium might not be in par due to allocation?

Option 2 maybe the weekly indemnity but let's see how much will eb the impact to the premium. AMR will keep as with her CI touch wood she tend to fall

RM40k PRULink Assurance Plan, from the wording I guess it is only claimable due to natural death and illness disablement. But the difference with ADD? One is natural cause one is accident?

The letter also have a table of projection and it shows the amount will be like RM7k++ at age of 70+, means they will revise the premium towards RM7k++ according to the schedule?

To surrender the policy will be an option after 70yo but in this case we "rugi" because the PMM3 and Enhancer that we paid years before had already factored in additional $$$ for 70 - 80yo I believe?

We are following up at Gov facility for her CI and it was zero medical cost to date. Earlier we were with a private specialist but all he did was no difference with Gov Hospital, which is by using drugs to control & reduce the symtoms

Wonder if we could remove the agent totally as I was doing all the job even during her TKR surgery time. Of course the claim for surgery was submitted by the hospital but pre / post claim was submitted by me but luckily the staff at Prudential office filled the form herself for us. Thank goodness the office is not too far from me

Thanks a lot for your time
Honestly I do not think we need Room @ RM250 as her recent TKR staying at twin sharing was not even reaching RM100/day

However, since she is diagnosed with CI now I do not think RM3k will be the premium and again the premium might also be increased in future with just a letter away

Nevertheless, thanks for your info
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Weird that in your previous post you've mentioned that your mom has no pre-existing illness but over here you're talking about her claiming for some CI.

Which is which ?

Then again if she is diagnosed with any illness at the moment, you have no other choice but to stick on this one and only insurance plan. Whether it's still worth keeping it or self insure yourself is the next question.
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post Oct 13 2020, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(seagunk @ Oct 13 2020, 11:23 AM)
Hi sifus, may i know what is the benefit for a young adult (25 to 30) to buy medical coverage till 80 yo instead of 60 yo?

Was told by one agent to go for coverage till 60 would be enough, as you are entitled to renewing anyway at 60yo, as long as you can handle the premiums.
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You don't have to top up an exorbitant amount when it comes to 60 years old later to 80 years old.

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post Oct 13 2020, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Oct 13 2020, 01:16 PM)
i got the same letter/notification. but the policy is for myself. increment of 10% from the previous annual amount. bought this policy with 2.4k, then upgrade to 3k becuz of the extra benefit like coverage till 100 yo and 1mil claim per year. next year going to be 3.3k per annum.

their reasoning is that medical cost increased. if we maintain the amount, they will cut it from investment fund in the policy itself. so when policy mature that time the investment fund will have lesser amount.

my wife bought her medical from AIA and her policy should remain the same through the years by using the investment fund to cover the insurance premium. i initially also heard this from my prudential agent, looks like prudential want us to fork out more money in order to maintain the fund in investment.
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it is normal for insurance companies to exercise increase in premium when it comes to medical coverage as it's one of the expensive item to maintain overtime. Hence LIAM is looking into how to curb such issue.

Alternatively if you would like to pay a lower premium, you may opt into deductible plans

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post Oct 13 2020, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Oct 13 2020, 07:34 PM)
The issue is even it said it covers until 100 but they can increase anytime in between. This really confused me. Then what kind of promise is that for covering us until 80, 90 or even 100? Whenever the cost increase they just said cannot sustain and please top up

Anyway, your RM3k for RM1mil annual limit sounds good for me but what is the lifetime limit? THe premium is only for medical or incl of others like CI, PA? And you bought at your 20s?

My own was started at RM1.5k and now slowly they increased to RM2k but the limit is only like RM200k lifetime but included crisis shield and accident
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What is given when you first sign up for the policy is an initial projection.

Just like your nasi lemak aunty never guarantees to sell you her nasi lemak the same price for the next 40 years.

Hence the reason why insurance companies includes a clause that the premium may be adjusted from time to time should there be any adjustment required to maintain the initial projection by topping up onto the premium
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post Oct 13 2020, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Oct 13 2020, 08:11 PM)
It is really a bad experience with Manulife.

First, I applied medical insurance for my sister who is OKU. They claimed that OKU is OK as long as is good health. The process was going through and then did blood test etc and found to be anemia and hypertension. They rejected the medical insurance with reason to come back and reapply again after 1 year.

Then I wanna go for life insurance with them and they do not wish to offer as they claimed that my sister is Intellectual Disability in which her IQ is same like child about 15-16 yo.

So kia su company, better don't do insurance business la. bangwall.gif
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It's just a matter of offer and acceptance.

You show up by offering them with such health condition and offer to pay x amount, it's up to the insurance company whether to accept your offer with the risk involved.

If they don't want to accept, you got nothing to lose since you didn't pay them the premium. They also didn't lose anything by not offering your sister the coverage.

In this scenario you've given, you're more in the mercy of the insurance company to accept a sub standard condition rather than the insurance company is asking for your business.

If this company didn't work out with you, go try another company. Don't keep hard feeling about it.
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post Oct 14 2020, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(eviechu28 @ Oct 14 2020, 03:25 PM)
Hi, I plan to buy a medical card insurance for my family.
I have ff in my list:

AIA
Benefits Details Coverage
Hospital Room and Board (120 days per year): RM150/day
Overseas Hopital Room and Board (120 days): RM300/day
Annual Limit: RM500,000
Lifetime Limit: No Limit
Deductible (Co-insurance): 0 Deductible
In Hospitalization: As Charge
Pre Hospitalization (dianosis, test, consultations, medications) 60 days prior
Post Hospitalization (Diagnosis, test, consultations, medications) 120 days post
Daily Cash Allowance at Government Hospital RM100/day
Home Nursing Care (RM3,000 per confinement) 180 days max per lifetime
Accidental Outpatient As Charge
Accidental Outpatient Follow Up 30 days
Outpatient Kidney Dialysis / Cancer Treatment Up to 1 mil per Lifetime
Emergency Overseas Medical Evacuation and Repatriation USD 1 mil
Premium RM2,094.00 annually

Allianz
Age 43
Monthly Premium RM246
Annual  Premium RM2952
Annual Limit (No Life Time Limit till 100 )  RM850K               
Sum Assured Death & TPD  RM10K
Room per day  RM150
Lodger Benefit Daily RM75
Genomic Cancer Test  RM10K
         

which one is better for these 2 providers? or is there any other medical insurance provider better than this?
my major concern is I realised if the specialist doctor ask to do some test like MRI or Scan, once result is fine then the insurance won't reimburse or pay for it!!! but if the test found out something  then will this become pre-existing???  so if this is the case why get medical card insurance?
Agent told me it really depends on how doctor write in the report. Again will the doc be kind enough to cooperate with you just for the reimbursement or payment?

All I need is medical card that I just can swipe and worry free to have it get reimburse / pay or not, worry free for pre-existing or not... Is there any medical insurance provider like that?????
So far I can see is all insurance company just want to earn money from me while I don't get much benefits on it.

any advice?
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If you've applied for the insurance with all the declaration and the insurance company have accepted your declaration with no exclusion, then you're fully covered within their benefits that they offer.

As for things like MRI/Scan/whatever test, if the reading is fine then you'll have to bear for it since there is no hospitalization.

If thereafter there are findings then if you have an insurance policy, it will be covered.

If you've done some check before applying for the insurance and they've found out abnormalities, then they may exclude that particular area based on the diagnosis.

As for which insurance between these 2, both are quite good.
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post Oct 14 2020, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Oct 14 2020, 09:15 PM)
The agent helped me to appeal with the Co and the Co reviewed the appeal and provided this offer that they can offer.

Anyhow, MSIG accepted my sister's application with some exclusions on medical side and I accept the exclusion as it is fair to both of us.
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biggrin.gif good to hear that, gratz

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post Oct 15 2020, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(FirstNoob @ Oct 15 2020, 12:18 PM)
I would like to buy for my newborn (6 months) medical insurance.. Any plan i should look out for ?

Some agents keep push me savings etc. i dont want them. i just want MEDICAL!
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Newborn 6 mths, if you want a comprehensive plan then investment link policy will be recommended.

You can add on benefits like Payor waiver whereby if you the Payor for the plan dies, the insurance policy premium payable is paid by the insurance company until the child is 25 years old.

If you don’t want such benefit and solely want medical only then you can apply for a standalone medical card.

Feel free to ask me any further questions if you got any doubts

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post Oct 15 2020, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(CQT @ Oct 15 2020, 02:23 PM)
Hi, I am currently looking for medical insurance. Any recommendation from you all? Thanks. I am 26 this year.
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Below are the latest existing plans in the market. Depending on your personal need and preference, can't go wrong with either of these companies although the premium chargeable is different.

AIA A-Plus Health
Allianz Medisafe Infinite+
Great Eastern SmartMedic Million
HLA MediShield III
ManuLife ManuHealth Elite
Prudential PruMillion Med

If you need any further advise, let me know smile.gif
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post Oct 16 2020, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Oct 16 2020, 12:15 AM)
it seems allianz is good

I have MANULINK PRIME @80 which I pay 240 a month. Thinking to surrender this and buy the stand alone one.
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FYI for Allianz plan, there is no standalone for it.
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post Oct 16 2020, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(Ewa Wa @ Oct 16 2020, 11:28 AM)
If u have this thought of surrender your existing plan and go for new plan. Pls keep in mind, start the new plan for 1 year only surrender the old plan. The reason to ask to do so is waiting period. not 120 days but 1 year to be safe.
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Interesting, safe from what exactly ? biggrin.gif
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post Oct 17 2020, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Oct 17 2020, 02:33 PM)
I opted to pay monthly. So wasted.some.money is ok in order to exchange better value product
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I wouldn't say it's wasted, could be viewed as cutting losses sometimes.

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post Oct 17 2020, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(kienloon @ Oct 17 2020, 05:33 PM)
Hi Sifu, my wife is looking for a upgrade from her existing insurance.

Her existing insurance is from Prudential as below:
Death Benefits - RM20K
Crisis Shield Plus - RM30K
Accidental Death & Disablement - RM50K
Accident Medical Reimbursement - RM2K

PHL 150:
- R&B - 150
- Annual Limit: RM62,500
- Lifetime Limit: RM625,000
- Term of Coverage: 70 years old

Total Monthly Premium: RM210.78
Total Annual Premium: RM2,529.36

I would like to know your opinions on both of these policies:

37F non-smoker Class 1

Prudential -
Death and Disability - RM50K
Crisis Shield Plus - RM50K
Accident Death and Disablement - RM50K
Accident Medical Reimbursement - RM2K

PRUmillion med 200:
- R&B - 200 (Deductible: RM300)
- Annual Limit: 1.38 mil
- Lifetime Limit: no limit
- Term of Coverage: 80 years old

Total Monthly Premium: RM320
Total Annual Premium: RM3,840

Allianz
Life/TPD - RM50K
Critcal Illness - RM50K (Covered 77 Critical Illness)
Personal Accident - RM50K

Medical Card : Plan 200
- R&B - 200
- Annual Limit: 1.5 mil
- Lifetime Limit: no limit
- Term of Coverage: 100 years old
Waiver of Premium: Yes

Total Monthly Premium: RM300
Total Annual Premium: RM3,600

Thanks
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What's your consideration?
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post Oct 17 2020, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(kienloon @ Oct 17 2020, 06:06 PM)
I am looking to upgrade to 1mil Annual Limit & lifetime no limit.
But Prudential only cover up to 80 years old, is it enough?
And then I don't know the sustainability, normally how many years?
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I don't think the Allianz policy is term until 100 for that premium, so check again on the terms from the agent.

With that being said, Pru should be cheaper after the adjustments.

As for until 80, it's more than sufficient. Just top up in the future if you feel that it's not enough
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post Oct 17 2020, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(kienloon @ Oct 17 2020, 06:13 PM)
Medical card cover up to 80 years old is enough? I saw some cover up to 90 years old and 100 years old.
If I upgrade from Prudential is it no need to pay both premium for a year?
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Prudential policy can be until 100 years as well. What I'm talking about is the premium payable and sustainability of the policy.

The term of coverage is until 100, but the premium you're paying at 300 can only last you until 80 years old. It'll be triple the amount if you want to really last till 100
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QUOTE(kienloon @ Oct 17 2020, 06:34 PM)
Oooh, Allianz agent told me the sustainability of the policy (RM300) is until 63 years old. After that might need to top-up premium.
But when we asked Prudential, he says can last until 80 years old no need to top up which I quite doubt.

Since both policies are similar, is it more advisable to go for the same provider to avoid paying both providers for a year?
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Already told you Allianz won't be so cheap. Cause I sell both of this companies I know.

If you're comparing on price paid for benefits, Prudential will be cheaper unless you're willing to fork out the extra premium for it.

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post Oct 17 2020, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(kienloon @ Oct 17 2020, 06:55 PM)
Like that I will just upgrading Prudential for policy RM320 based on your advise, thanks.
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post Oct 18 2020, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(TaiGoh @ Oct 18 2020, 12:41 AM)
Hi all, I am currently looking for a standalone medical card for my parent.

55 years old, Female, Non-smoking.
Just got a quote with the following:

Tokio Marine
R&B: 350
Annual Limit: 85k
No Lifetime Limit
Renewable up to 100 Years
Premium: RM2794

Lonpac
R&B: 300
Annual Limit: 150k
No Lifetime Limit
Renewable up to 100 Years
Premium: RM3172

Wondering is there any better options out there with similar premium?
Personally think that R&B can be reduced to 250. Any advice?
Is claiming okay for Lonpac?
Thanks!
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Room 350
Annual limit 1.5m
No lifetime
Premium 2900
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post Oct 20 2020, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(eviechu28 @ Oct 20 2020, 10:49 AM)
but will it better if have agent to help ?  rather than buy it online thru web?
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Some ppl want to skim on going with agents, don't want them to earn "commissions"

Well I'd say an agent is still important when it comes to providing proper advise and servicing on claims / changes to be made on the policies.

QUOTE(wong_86 @ Oct 20 2020, 11:01 AM)
PRULink Assurance Plan MYR 30,000.00
Accident Medical Reimbursement MYR 2,000.00
Accidental Death & Disablement MYR 20,000.00
Crisis Shield Plus MYR 20,000.00
Enhanced PRUPayor Basic MYR 2,280.00
PRUMed 1 unit(s)
PRUValue Med MYR 200.00 (Room & Board)
PRUValue Med - Med Saver/Deductible MYR 300.00
PRUValue Med - Med Value Point MYR 1,000,000.00
Weekly Indemnity 2 unit(s)

I need a review for my insurance plan , current pay RM190 per month, my age now 34 years old.
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Would suggest you to discuss with a Financial Advisor on what you should get for yourself.
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QUOTE(Razaelx @ Oct 21 2020, 08:10 PM)
First time getting life or medical insurance/ card. Can please advise what package is most suitable for me?

Late 20's, non-smoker, have no history of any critical diasesas other than  dengue fever.
Looking for something that could cover for my hospitalisation fee incase I got any serious illness or injury due to accident.
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If you need a comprehensive insurance, would recommend an all in one investment link policy which provides a few benefits such as death and disability, critical illness and personal accident benefits along with the hospitalization and surgical benefit.

Budget wise, will be around 200 monthly for a decent coverage.

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