Joined: Jun 2005
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QUOTE(Szzz @ Jan 20 2020, 07:05 AM)
I don't blame cainis that can't speak BM. Blame the politicians and the idiots supporting the current education system. If you are supporting vernacular schools, you are supporting the current broken system.
The day vernacular schools are abolished is the day we can move forward. But before we can abolish vernacular school, there needs to be a major revamp in the current SMK system.
I suggest you masuk SJKC for a tour before commenting. You will be surprised there are both Malay teachers and students too there.
And if the country wanna abolish all race/religion based education system, I am very sure nobody will defend vernacular schools.
Too bad, 18 pages on everybody still wants to insist to hide behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label and refused to learn anything else. And when ppl tried to explain, you call them ego, arrogant, plotek, and go back to their british masters.
Kinda wonders if these people who refuse to integrate comes from sjkc. They say sjkc ppl don't integrate rite?
And its also ironic to believe language is foundation to patriotism, when most of the rnr slurs, insults & instigations are in national language.
i can speak proper malay, but not super fluent like reporters or newscasters.
i can write proper malay sentences, but of course no longer as good as when i was in school, i was from SK.
but in the end, still being called pendatang and get treated as 2nd class citizen. so... yea, just because you can speak it, it doesn't mean anything
look at indonesia, the chinese there can speak indon so damn bloody well, but 1998 still happened :/
These "ultra patriots" will never acknowledge that. They will always think everybody must go to 1 school, and speak 1 language, and somehow, magically, we will achieve unity. Its never racism or socio economic inequality or tuan rumah/pendatang mindset to them
they speak tongsan national language and then belip in CCP propoganda that tongsan national language is their mother tongues.
they learn 5,000 characters tongsan writting but Don't Wanna learn 3 page of Malaysian alphabet
Depends what's your definition of acting Malaysian. If forcing people of other cultures to accept your culture then I disagree that is how to act Malaysian.
I believe that's your own view that mother tongue language is propaganda. Plenty of people from different countries that migrate to other country and yet continue using and pass down their mother tongue language. It's about preserving their own culture, nothing to do with patriotism, don't mixed up on this.
I don't understand the big hoohaa on expecting people to master a language. Knowing a language can't be measured as someone's level of patriotism. Painting language as patriotism is the actual propaganda. In the end it is only a communication tool between 2 people. When 2 people trying to communicate but doesn't have 1 language that both understand, then it will depend who is more desperate to get the words across. In this situation the more desperate person will have to learn the other language in order to communicate. Using force will only have a negative impact on the whole society. In this age of globalisation, forcing to go with single language is counterproductive.
Saya rasa hang lebih baik tak payah fikir untuk kebaikan masyarakat sejagat . Hang pi belajar cakap cina , jadi contoh terbaik sampai orang cina impress untuk belajar bahasa malaysia.
Hang cakap mother tongue sendiri kira the ultimate patriotic citizen la 😂
Taniah #kipidap#dongibab
Bukan mother tongue language. Tp bahasa kebangsaan.
Actually not only their english, their BM were also pathetic. I hate people who speak rojak language. If you want to speak english, speak full english, and if you want to speak BM, speak full BM. Don’t mix and match the language unless you’re trying to mention a word that you can’t recall the translation.
Depends what's your definition of acting Malaysian. If forcing people of other cultures to accept your culture then I disagree that is how to act Malaysian.
I believe that's your own view that mother tongue language is propaganda. Plenty of people from different countries that migrate to other country and yet continue using and pass down their mother tongue language. It's about preserving their own culture, nothing to do with patriotism, don't mixed up on this.
I don't understand the big hoohaa on expecting people to master a language. Knowing a language can't be measured as someone's level of patriotism. Painting language as patriotism is the actual propaganda. In the end it is only a communication tool between 2 people. When 2 people trying to communicate but doesn't have 1 language that both understand, then it will depend who is more desperate to get the words across. In this situation the more desperate person will have to learn the other language in order to communicate. Using force will only have a negative impact on the whole society. In this age of globalisation, forcing to go with single language is counterproductive.
We have baju merah and rempits rioting demanding tongkat and free money.
So much for for being ""patriotic".
Remember, it's not about what the country can give you. It's what YOU CAN GIVE TO THE COUNTRY.
Actually not only their english, their BM were also pathetic. I hate people who speak rojak language. If you want to speak english, speak full english, and if you want to speak BM, speak full BM. Don’t mix and match the language unless you’re trying to mention a word that you can’t recall the translation.
I suggest you masuk SJKC for a tour before commenting. You will be surprised there are both Malay teachers and students too there.
And if the country wanna abolish all race/religion based education system, I am very sure nobody will defend vernacular schools.
That's not my point, I have plenty of Malay friends that went SJKC. And what language do they converse in? Obviously not Malay. It's not even the Chinese or Malay's fault. It's natural to converse in a language you both studied together.
The problem that some Chinese can't speak BM is the same as some Chinese SK student can't speak Chinese. Do you know why Malays go to Chinese schools? Their parents wants their kid to learn Chinese and the only they do that is to go to a vernacular school. It's impossible to learn Chinese in a SK school and that's an actual problem that the government needs to fix.
Some Chinese gets no opportunity to learn BM and some Chinese gets no opportunity to learn Chinese. Revamp the current education system. Integrate the school curriculum and implement language learning skills properly. Right now, vernacular schools and dumb education curriculum in SK schools is the cause of this.
Joined: Jun 2005
From: Serving your best interests in health & wealth
QUOTE(Szzz @ Jan 20 2020, 09:45 AM)
That's not my point, I have plenty of Malay friends that went SJKC. And what language do they converse in? Obviously not Malay. It's not even the Chinese or Malay's fault. It's natural to converse in a language you both studied together.
The problem that some Chinese can't speak BM is the same as some Chinese SK student can't speak Chinese. Do you know why Malays go to Chinese schools? Their parents wants their kid to learn Chinese and the only they do that is to go to a vernacular school. It's impossible to learn Chinese in a SK school and that's an actual problem that the government needs to fix.
Some Chinese gets no opportunity to learn BM and some Chinese gets no opportunity to learn Chinese. Revamp the current education system. Integrate the school curriculum and implement language learning skills properly. Right now, vernacular schools and dumb education curriculum in SK schools is the cause of this.
Revamp? Yes, by abolishing all race or religion based schools along with it, otherwise what you said is no other than a sugar coated form of racism.
And to your surprise, Malays speak bahasa too with Chinese in SJKC. Go in one and see how they converse before jumping into conclusion.
Problem racism because malaysian races don’t assimilate with each other by the system british created.
Imagine topic like this, fight like no end..
Only in KL/Selangor & Penang. In states like Kelantan, Kedah, Perak, Terengganu & Pahang, people do mixed among races, because most of them communicate in a language that everyone can understand.
Only in KL/Selangor & Penang. In states like Kelantan, Kedah, Perak, Terengganu & Pahang, people do mixed among races, because most of them communicate in a language that everyone can understand.