testing BAHASA MALAYSIA to "Malaysian"
testing BAHASA MALAYSIA to "Malaysian"
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Jan 19 2020, 05:35 PM
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Jan 19 2020, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 05:30 PM) As usual, everyone of you missed the point. You demand & insult the other races for not knowing bahasa kebangsaan. But have you, as a malaysian, learn other languages yourself? Or are you going to hide your ignorance behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national" and only demand of 1 side while conveninently overlooking yourself? Sorry i did missed your point. Actually i don’t understand you point. Why do i need to learn language other than national language again? And the local language here in malaysia is bahasa melayu, cina dan tamil (ofc you can argue there are many languages in malaysia, but lets just stick with the majority 3 shall we). What other languages you know beside your own mother tongue, which happened to be bahasa kebangsaan? Oh no need, imma just gonna hide behind the "kebangsaan "/"national" label yipeee, no need to learn anything else And when you say bahasa cina, you’re referring to hokkien, cantonese, hakka or which one? This post has been edited by blanket84: Jan 19 2020, 05:36 PM |
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Jan 19 2020, 05:42 PM
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[quote=bigwolf,Jan 19 2020, 05:30 PM]
[/quote] As usual, everyone of you missed the point. You demand & insult the other races for not knowing bahasa kebangsaan. But have you, as a malaysian, learn other languages yourself? Or are you going to hide your ignorance behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national" and only demand of 1 side while conveninently overlooking yourself? And the local language here in malaysia is bahasa melayu, cina dan tamil (ofc you can argue there are many languages in malaysia, but lets just stick with the majority 3 shall we). What other languages you know beside your own mother tongue, which happened to be bahasa kebangsaan? Oh no need, imma just gonna hide behind the "kebangsaan "/"national" label yipeee, no need to learn anything else [/quote] Its hilarious that you should mention about other languages. I am actually not a Malay. I am a Punjabi who speaks English, Malay, Hindi, Punjabi and broken Hokkien. I am proud to be a Malaysian and I am proud of the fact that I speak the Bahasa Kebangsaan fluently. |
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Jan 19 2020, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:36 PM) Sorry i did missed your point. Actually i don’t understand you point. Why do i need to learn language other than national language again? Coz malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like china, japan, korea etc. My question is simple, have you learned other languages to fit in as a citizen of a multicultural multiracial society? Or are you going to refuse to learn and just hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"?And when you say bahasa cina, you’re referring to hokkien, cantonese, hakka or which one? |
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Jan 19 2020, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 05:45 PM) Coz malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like china, japan, korea etc. My question is simple, have you learned other languages to fit in as a citizen of a multicultural multiracial society? Or are you going to refuse to learn and just hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? You’re saying you know how to speak tamil?And you haven’t answered my question. Which bahasa cina were you referring to? |
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Jan 19 2020, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 04:52 PM) The last lady in black did asked, proper bahasa or bahasa pasar, because she can do both. Did the rest of them who failed even ask? And i did cermin diri, me being a kelantanese of course i can either speak proper BM or kelate dialect. I only learned KL slang once i came here to work. QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 05:11 PM) Actually it doesn't matter what dielect or slang, as long as you can have basic conservation with others, it's ok. If you speak Chinese slang BM or Indian slang BM also can and are acceptable, we understand. So why the racist review and comment to them when bahasa baku is not the main topic, it is just a language that still can be understandable by us. For example. The view of that beach is beautiful or let's go eat together become "itu pantai banyak cantik" or "lu mari makan sama saya" are acceptable because we can understand and converse with each other despite with different BM slang, accent or whatever you want to call it. Old aunties and uncles speak like that for ages and everyone accept them. You don't have to hell bent want people to speak "proper BM" or Bahasa baku, just speak however you are comfortable with as long as others can understand is enough. At the end, it still how we communicate is more important than what language we must use to communicate. Like me, i don speak canto but I understand, so when ppl ask in canto i wil reply in Mandarin or english. |
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Jan 19 2020, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jan 19 2020, 05:42 PM) Its hilarious that you should mention about other languages. I am actually not a Malay. I am a Punjabi who speaks English, Malay, Hindi, Punjabi and broken Hokkien. Then good for you. I'm a chinese who knows English, Malay, Cantonese, Mandarin (not so good but passable)I am proud to be a Malaysian and I am proud of the fact that I speak the Bahasa Kebangsaan fluently. I'm proud to be Malaysian as well and also able to speak Bahasa Kebangsaan. Problem here is since when did this "you dunno national language you dun deserve to be called malaysian" started? Please tell me, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here? This post has been edited by bigwolf: Jan 19 2020, 05:51 PM |
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Jan 19 2020, 05:51 PM
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It's okay. So called BM is not useful outside of Malaysia anyway
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Jan 19 2020, 05:52 PM
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[quote=bigwolf,Jan 19 2020, 05:30 PM]
[/quote] As usual, everyone of you missed the point. You demand & insult the other races for not knowing bahasa kebangsaan. But have you, as a malaysian, learn other languages yourself? Or are you going to hide your ignorance behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national" and only demand of 1 side while conveninently overlooking yourself? And the local language here in malaysia is bahasa melayu, cina dan tamil (ofc you can argue there are many languages in malaysia, but lets just stick with the majority 3 shall we). What other languages you know beside your own mother tongue, which happened to be bahasa kebangsaan? Oh no need, imma just gonna hide behind the "kebangsaan "/"national" label yipeee, no need to learn anything else [/quote] Do you really understand what the word 'majority' mean? Indian people go speak tamil to chinese people, do u think they will understand? Nope. Chinese people go speak mandari to indian people, do u think they would understand? Nope. Maybe english yes, but in rural area, even in sabah, sarawak, with different ethnic, speak those language on those people and English, i dont think so. But if you speak bahasa Malaysia, they will. Still in Malaysia malay is #1 language that most of different race, different ethnic both rural and city area could understand, and second is #2 English(mostly city people). |
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Jan 19 2020, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:49 PM) You’re saying you know how to speak tamil? Unfortunately no, I didn't have the opportunity to learn tamil. But its kinda cool if I can know tamil. And you haven’t answered my question. Which bahasa cina were you referring to? Whichever bahasa cina that you can speak to the cina guy. Can be cantonese, hokkien, teochow, mandarin. Your point is? |
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Jan 19 2020, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:09 PM) Good BM is when you can differentiate; pandang, pandangan, pemandangan, memandangankan, berpandangan, pandang-memandang, terpandang & etc. Pronunciation doesn’t weight much, it is called accent. QUOTE(Baby1985 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:50 PM) So why the racist review and comment to them when bahasa baku is not the main topic, it is just a language that still can be understandable by us. Bahasa baku is the pronunciation. We are discussing people who can’t string a proper sentence.At the end, it still how we communicate is more important than what language we must use to communicate. Like me, i don speak canto but I understand, so when ppl ask in canto i wil reply in Mandarin or english. |
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Jan 19 2020, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:09 PM) Good BM is when you can differentiate; pandang, pandangan, pemandangan, memandangankan, berpandangan, pandang-memandang, terpandang & etc. BS Pronunciation doesn’t weight much, it is called accent. I've even seen ministers with good tatabahasa but just because their accent is typical cainis, they will be laugh at "Teruknya bahasa" Meanwhile whenever I use powderful melei accent without caring about grammar, they will stare in amazement, "Fuiyo BM u power laaa" |
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Jan 19 2020, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(Gyazo @ Jan 19 2020, 05:52 PM) Do you really understand what the word 'majority' mean? You are still not getting the point. What other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society?Indian people go speak tamil to chinese people, do u think they will understand? Nope. Chinese people go speak mandari to indian people, do u think they would understand? Nope. Maybe english yes, but in rural area, even in sabah, sarawak, with different ethnic, speak those language on those people and English, i dont think so. But if you speak bahasa Malaysia, they will. Still in Malaysia malay is #1 language that most of different race, different ethnic both rural and city area could understand, and second is #2 English(mostly city people). |
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Jan 19 2020, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Jan 19 2020, 05:13 PM) Racist people like you should go back to rahmatullahQUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 05:23 PM) Some people are being brainwashed to hate certain race. Just like BTN course, only the opposite race. Hate certain race only come from racist people. And I assume you realise the racist people is Imp Bron for implying Chinese cannot speak BM eventhough I speak like a Malay. |
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Jan 19 2020, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 05:54 PM) Unfortunately no, I didn't have the opportunity to learn tamil. But its kinda cool if I can know tamil. My point is, i can communicate with my multiracial friends in Bahasa Malaysia, why do i need to learn other languages?Whichever bahasa cina that you can speak to the cina guy. Can be cantonese, hokkien, teochow, mandarin. Your point is? And Malaysia is a multilingual, multi-religion, and multi-race, but the individual don’t have to be. Do i need to be muslim & christian at the same time? Enough for you to know BM and your dialect and English if you plan to be marketable. I did planned to learn bahasa cina, then i realized there is just too many dialect and you can't understand the other dialect if you only learn one dialect. Heck even cina i befriended with mostly know one dialect only and only speak with their own kind. |
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Jan 19 2020, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 05:56 PM) You are still not getting the point. What other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? Living in multi culture does not mean i need to learn every language, as other race could easily understand the national language I know malay, english, a bit thai but forgot already since dint stay there many years already i dunno why i need learn other language than that, unless if i stay in china or india, thai, spain, arab, vietnam, france, as i mentioned previously i will definitely learn the language as those are LOCAL/NATIONAL/MAJORITY language as i living in Malaysia. Malay is enough for LOCAL, and English for INTERNATIONAL. This post has been edited by Gyazo: Jan 19 2020, 06:06 PM |
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Jan 19 2020, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:02 PM) Racist people like you should go back to rahmatullah I don’t know your history with Imp Bron and what kind of people Imp Bron is before this. So i can’t assume he is racist from his initial post.Hate certain race only come from racist people. And I assume you realise the racist people is Imp Bron for implying Chinese cannot speak BM eventhough I speak like a Malay. If you can speak BM, good for you. |
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Jan 19 2020, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2020, 06:02 PM) My point is, i can communicate with my multiracial friends in Bahasa Malaysia, why do i need to learn other languages? This here is the problem. You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you use the label "kebangsaan"/"national" as though only 1 language can be allowed to be used here in Malaysia.And Malaysia is a multilingual, multi-religion, and multi-race, but the individual don’t have to be. Do i need to be muslim & christian at the same time? Enough for you to know BM and your dialect and English if you plan to be marketable. I did planned to learn bahasa cina, then i realized there is just too many dialect and you can't understand the other dialect if you only learn one dialect. Heck even cina i befriended with mostly know one dialect only and only speak with their own kind. |
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Jan 19 2020, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(Gyazo @ Jan 19 2020, 06:05 PM) Living in multi culture does not mean i need to learn every language, as other race could easily understand the national language same as what I replied aboveI know malay, english, a bit thai but forgot already since dint stay there many years already i dunno why i need learn other language than that, unless if i stay in china or india, thai, spain, arab, vietnam, france, as i mentioned previously i will definitely learn the language as those are LOCAL/NATIONAL/MAJORITY language as i living in Malaysia. Malay is enough for LOCAL, and English for INTERNATIONAL. |
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Jan 19 2020, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(United Rulez @ Jan 19 2020, 05:56 PM) BS Well please don’t put me in the same category with those people. I have my own standard and i am not a sheep.I've even seen ministers with good tatabahasa but just because their accent is typical cainis, they will be laugh at "Teruknya bahasa" Meanwhile whenever I use powderful melei accent without caring about grammar, they will stare in amazement, "Fuiyo BM u power laaa" |
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