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> We do not condone nor encourage Muslims to leave, Islam but they have the right to do so

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post Jan 17 2020, 07:45 AM

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By right it should be no compulsion in any religion

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post Jan 17 2020, 07:52 AM

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However, if they insist, and especially if they are recent converts, they should be given the right to do so as the constitution guarantees the freedom of worship not only to non-Muslims but to all Malaysians.”

They pointed out that other Muslim countries, such as Morocco, do not make apostasy a criminal offence because of the contextual interpretation of murtad (apostasy).


As muslim I agree with this especially on recent converts that convert to Islam ONLY because of marriage/love. It is a dishonest convert. You should only convert to Islam by heart (ie when you see truth in Islam)
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However, if they insist, and especially if they are recent converts, they should be given the right to do so as the constitution guarantees the freedom of worship not only to non-Muslims but to all Malaysians.”

They pointed out that other Muslim countries, such as Morocco, do not make apostasy a criminal offence because of the contextual interpretation of murtad (apostasy).


As muslim I agree with this especially on recent converts that convert to Islam ONLY because of marriage/love. It is a dishonest convert. You should only convert to Islam by heart (ie when you see truth in Islam)
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However, if they insist, and especially if they are recent converts, they should be given the right to do so as the constitution guarantees the freedom of worship not only to non-Muslims but to all Malaysians.”

They pointed out that other Muslim countries, such as Morocco, do not make apostasy a criminal offence because of the contextual interpretation of murtad (apostasy).


As muslim I agree with this especially on recent converts that convert to Islam ONLY because of marriage/love. It is a dishonest convert. You should only convert to Islam by heart (ie when you see truth in Islam)
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post Jan 17 2020, 08:03 AM

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post Jan 17 2020, 08:04 AM

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As muslim I agree with this especially on recent converts that convert to Islam ONLY because of marriage/love. It is a dishonest convert. You should only convert to Islam by heart (ie when you see truth in Islam)
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post Jan 17 2020, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(genecode @ Jan 17 2020, 07:52 AM)
As muslim I agree with this especially on recent converts that convert to Islam ONLY because of marriage/love. It is a dishonest convert. You should only convert to Islam by heart (ie when you see truth in Islam)
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But that's not the case, the authority here just wants to convert as many. However most time we kenot talk about it cause it is anti/insult excuse.

https://www.borneotoday.net/mass-conversion...eges-pan-sabah/
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post Jan 17 2020, 08:10 AM

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what bodo is this
don't even know what Islam is
and pretending to be the saviour

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post Jan 17 2020, 08:17 AM

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what bodo is this
don't even know what Islam is
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Hi, soon to be stoned.
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post Jan 17 2020, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Jan 17 2020, 07:14 AM)
No need, as its a very easy & straight forward process.
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Very easy & straight forward process to embrace the Islamic religion but it is virtually impossible to renounce it later. Caveat emptor !
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post Jan 17 2020, 08:24 AM

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Just because I believe something to be true I must force someone else also to believe its true even if they are firmly convinced that its not true. And then claim there is no compulsion.

How does this work actually? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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post Jan 17 2020, 08:27 AM

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Ledt they forget the history of war between Islam and murtadin..
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post Jan 17 2020, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 17 2020, 08:08 AM)
But that's not the case, the authority here just wants to convert as many. However most time we kenot talk about it cause it is anti/insult excuse.

https://www.borneotoday.net/mass-conversion...eges-pan-sabah/
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There are many factions of Islam in Malaysia. try open your eyes.

1. PAS UMNO Islam - hidden racism malay supremacy behind Islam

2 Isma Islam - conservative Islam, likes to turn Malaysia into Taliban

4. PAN Islam - more tolerant Islam towards non muslims and believe in cooperation and friendship among citizens, but upholds Islam values strongly.

5. Liberal Islam like G25. Aligned with Wawasan 2020. Islam as personal choice and non imposing.

6. etc


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post Jan 17 2020, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 17 2020, 08:27 AM)
Ledt they forget the history of war between Islam and murtadin..
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Not murtaders? unsure.gif

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post Jan 17 2020, 08:31 AM

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I think we as non muslims better stop commenting on matters like these. Been there done that before, and even an attempt to have civil discussion ends up angry and defensive on the other side. Muslims themselves need to sort this out themselves. Anything we nons say or do can and will be made as though attacking Islam/muslims.
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post Jan 17 2020, 08:31 AM

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If there really was no compulsion
and there's freedom to be apostate
Amoi and minachi would face much rejection
Cos many guys would prefer awek brows.gif
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post Jan 17 2020, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 16 2020, 11:53 PM)
Quite scary. Especially if takes just one parent to register their children like indira case.
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I think there should be proper laws to govern nons from our Muslim brethren. If an union is recognized under common law first, then it is only befitting that the dissolution of that union too be under common law too.

Once that dissolution of that union is properly ironed out under the common law to the satisfaction of both parties, only then can the interested party embrace another religion and subject oneself to shariah laws.

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post Jan 17 2020, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(genecode @ Jan 17 2020, 08:30 AM)
There are many factions of Islam in Malaysia. try open your eyes.

1. PAS UMNO Islam - hidden racism malay supremacy behind Islam

2 Isma Islam - conservative Islam, likes to turn Malaysia into Taliban

4. PAN Islam - more tolerant Islam towards non muslims and believe in cooperation and friendship among citizens, but upholds Islam values strongly.

5. Liberal Islam like G25. Aligned with Wawasan 2020. Islam as personal choice and non imposing.

6. etc
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Why so many versions of Islam if they only believe in 1 book (quran) 1 prophet (muhammad - to be their greatest and last among a string of Jewish Biblical prophets) and 1 god (allah)? hmm.gif

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post Jan 17 2020, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 17 2020, 08:27 AM)
Ledt they forget the history of war between Islam and murtadin..
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it gave birth to modern day Turkish Republic after Altaturk renounce islamism and embraced secularism.

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post Jan 17 2020, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(andyng38 @ Jan 17 2020, 08:31 AM)
If there really was no compulsion
and there's freedom to be apostate
Amoi and minachi would face much rejection
Cos many guys would prefer awek brows.gif
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This is so true.
In the early 90s used to have alot of awek friends.
They were easy going & so easy to befriend.
Then in late 2000s they were radically changed.
The rest you know the story.


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