Just because I believe something to be true I must force someone else also to believe its true even if they are firmly convinced that its not true. And then claim there is no compulsion.

How does this work actually?

Why so many versions of Islam if they only believe in 1 book (quran) 1 prophet (muhammad - to be their greatest and last among a string of Jewish Biblical prophets) and 1 god (allah)?

This is so true.
In the early 90s used to have alot of awek friends.
They were easy going & so easy to befriend.
Then in late 2000s they were radically changed.
The rest you know the story.

Wow! Death for leaving Islam in Terengganu?
Didn't know that they had this in Malaysia.
Even though I knew that the punishment for apostasy is death in Islam I always thought that this was not practised in Malaysia.

Probably that's why they (especially PAS) was fighting to uplift the shariah courts power in recent past.
Not sure if they succeeded or not.
They wan to be able to mete out the death penalty for apostasy?

Its true that the Fed Constitution supersedes ALL and any laws enacted after the establishment of the Fed Constitution becomes Ultra Vires in as far as they are in conflict with each other and the conflicting part becomes null and void automatically with the Fed Constitution prevailing . However the case for the sharia laws it is claimed that it had existed prior to the establishment of the Fed Constitution as the sharia laws are technically 1400 years old. Still nothing has been challenged in the courts yet but this is the view of those who are enacting sharia laws.

Still the sharia courts are deemed inferior courts to the civil courts which is why they (PAS et all) are fighting tooth and nail to have the sharia courts on par or if possible to be superior to the civil courts.

This post has been edited by RagingBalls: Jan 17 2020, 09:18 AM

What I am interested to know is this;


First it is claimed that there is "no compulsion" in religion and then if you want to leave it - its the death penalty or other forms of "compulsion". How does these 2 fit together?

Is it from the hadith?
where to find?

Yes I am familiar with the concept of abrogation.
What I really believe the book teaches is that when it says there is no compulsion it means there is no compulsion in the way you practice it. Like if you cannot stand while your praying you can sit, or if you cannot sit then you may lie down etc. It gives a leeway in that sense. Heck even the much hoo haa'd pork becomes permissible duriing a famine. Then it becomes allowable to consume it. Its no compulsion in that sense.

However my concern is with Taqqiyists who use Taqqiyya to paint a different picture and present the no compulsion part in a different context i.e. there is no compulsion in everything. That is plain Taqqiyya. When it comes to leaving the religion there is no 2 ways about it.

Even in /k there are known 1 or 2.
Most become atheists.
That is the normal progression of those who leave it.

It is not for me to name them.
I respect people's rights / privacy.
Its for you to find them on your own efforts.
Just observe and you will know.