book can have different interpretation.
because religion not like math where 1+1 =2, square root of 9 must be 3, tetek wanie must be missing.

therefore, every Tom Dick and Sally that's not blind follower will have own opinion of how to cook ramen

if there is a counter for it in UTC pudu, probably whole building full

Hidden?....I would say it's pretty open and blatant.... Islam used to justify and prevent others from objecting....

Religion has always been used as a political weapon in history....

There we go. We bring out this issue, we non get bombarded with "not all Muslims bad" then end discussion. Doesn't matter how many factions, the incident still happens right under our nose. And the ones doing the conversion gets scott free, even got political power.

Based on ur logic, there are other faction in Israel too who support palestinians so we shouldn't boycott Israel embassy. Hey, there are many factions in India too, we shouldn't crtisize their action on kashmir.

There are good and bad, but the bad ones still sukahati do their own things, running their mouth and action without consequence. Like putra with his racist rants on CNY decor, any action? If he is cina and crtisize raya decor, what u think?

Let's not go there. We want to focus on the politics side that misuse religion than religion itself.

reeducation camp, torture and brainwashing

Death by hanging in Kelantan and Trengganu.

Sieg heil!

don't think that's true, syariah court cannot mete out death sentence

have a read at the end of the page

Federal Court >>>>>> Sharia Court in any parts of Maressia except Melbourne.


I dont think actual criminal punishments have been executed on any murtads/apostates in maressia before.
at most, "REEDUCATION" camp only, but nothing that comes close to concentratioon camps ala auswitz for muslims caught khalwat, zina, lacur, kongkek, petpet, cibai, ayam, anjing, kerbau, babi.

legal status still pending.... but WOW, that's SCARY

Wow! Death for leaving Islam in Terengganu?
Didn't know that they had this in Malaysia.
Even though I knew that the punishment for apostasy is death in Islam I always thought that this was not practised in Malaysia.

musyrik there

Probably that's why they (especially PAS) was fighting to uplift the shariah courts power in recent past.
Not sure if they succeeded or not.
They wan to be able to mete out the death penalty for apostasy?

RUU355 not debated in parliment, no votes for it happened.
so, PAS failed.

Either way, Sharia court cannot hand out death sentence officially because Federal court > ALL.
State Shari law need to kaotao to Federal law.

Aye indeed. My tale is similar.
Repression by forces which are most sinister
But they're still out there; got to be discreet
The fruit that's forbidden to them is doubly sweet

Its true that the Fed Constitution supersedes ALL and any laws enacted after the establishment of the Fed Constitution becomes Ultra Vires in as far as they are in conflict with each other and the conflicting part becomes null and void automatically with the Fed Constitution prevailing . However the case for the sharia laws it is claimed that it had existed prior to the establishment of the Fed Constitution as the sharia laws are technically 1400 years old. Still nothing has been challenged in the courts yet but this is the view of those who are enacting sharia laws.

Still the sharia courts are deemed inferior courts to the civil courts which is why they (PAS et all) are fighting tooth and nail to have the sharia courts on par or if possible to be superior to the civil courts.

This post has been edited by RagingBalls: Jan 17 2020, 09:18 AM

What I am interested to know is this;


First it is claimed that there is "no compulsion" in religion and then if you want to leave it - its the death penalty or other forms of "compulsion". How does these 2 fit together?

Let me remind you that currently there r no apostate movements bent on waging war against Islam. They oni wan 2 b left alone.