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> We do not condone nor encourage Muslims to leave, Islam but they have the right to do so

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TrialGone
post Jan 16 2020, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(Anak El Chapo @ Jan 16 2020, 08:57 PM)
Can ke??
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If they say can.... Usually its a trap.
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post Jan 16 2020, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Jan 16 2020, 09:40 PM)
Here if someone lost faith in Islam, it is best to just keep quiet, nobody need to know u no longer pray 5 times a day, don't fast, pay zakat, no TH account nor any intention to go haji.

To come out, announce aloud you murtad is just asking for talibans to come harrass you, halalkan your blood.
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That's only if they want to be atheist. Problem comes when they want to join other sec. Its not true believes if u keep it hidden.
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post Jan 16 2020, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:45 PM)
This.

It is amusing how religion forcing faith to someone who don’t believe. In the end they end up portraying a picture not like what religion suppose to look like.
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Now now don't get confused. It's not the faith. It's the system that tries to police the faith. Some countries actually allow out.
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post Jan 16 2020, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(Hobbez @ Jan 16 2020, 09:52 PM)
It's more than that. It's so important to certain quarters that two people are missing today and never will be seen alive again.

While the murderers of these two people are obviously walking free and protected by these certain quarters. In the government (or shadow government....whatever that is).

It's that serious.
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Reminds me of certain someone who swore on u know what to get away...... Which astonishingly, yet not that surprisingly, actually got away with it, lol. In Middle East, I think that guy already burn at the stake.
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QUOTE(dean.ab25 @ Jan 16 2020, 10:02 PM)
pandai quote. belajar mana? took Pend Syariah Islamiah ke masa upper form?
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And when comes to zakar naik quoting bible, boooleeeeh.
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post Jan 16 2020, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(CrimsonKing @ Jan 16 2020, 11:07 PM)
Has any Malay ever been hanged for committing apostasy? unsure.gif
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I think anyone who wants out would not have lived in kelantan and terengganu, lol.
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post Jan 16 2020, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(CrimsonKing @ Jan 16 2020, 11:28 PM)
So are there any Malays who are known apostates (and still living in Malaysia)? unsure.gif
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia...s-idUSKBN1AN18T

Though not sure if they just keep quiet kah or publicly renounced.
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post Jan 16 2020, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Jan 16 2020, 11:45 PM)
Hmm true also. This problem arises when eg parents divorced, the child followed the parent that was a convert but never practiced. They may revent to former religion, but the other parent that is a muslim may then claim and complicate matters.

Or when someone dies, maybe first buried non-islamic way, but then islamic authorities wanna claim the body and bury the islamic way.

Complex issue.
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Quite scary. Especially if takes just one parent to register their children like indira case.
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post Jan 17 2020, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(genecode @ Jan 17 2020, 07:52 AM)
As muslim I agree with this especially on recent converts that convert to Islam ONLY because of marriage/love. It is a dishonest convert. You should only convert to Islam by heart (ie when you see truth in Islam)
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But that's not the case, the authority here just wants to convert as many. However most time we kenot talk about it cause it is anti/insult excuse.

https://www.borneotoday.net/mass-conversion...eges-pan-sabah/
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post Jan 17 2020, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(genecode @ Jan 17 2020, 08:30 AM)
There are many factions of Islam in Malaysia. try open your eyes.

1. PAS UMNO Islam - hidden racism malay supremacy behind Islam

2 Isma Islam - conservative Islam, likes to turn Malaysia into Taliban

4. PAN Islam - more tolerant Islam towards non muslims and believe in cooperation and friendship among citizens, but upholds Islam values strongly.

5. Liberal Islam like G25. Aligned with Wawasan 2020. Islam as personal choice and non imposing.

6. etc
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There we go. We bring out this issue, we non get bombarded with "not all Muslims bad" then end discussion. Doesn't matter how many factions, the incident still happens right under our nose. And the ones doing the conversion gets scott free, even got political power.

Based on ur logic, there are other faction in Israel too who support palestinians so we shouldn't boycott Israel embassy. Hey, there are many factions in India too, we shouldn't crtisize their action on kashmir.

There are good and bad, but the bad ones still sukahati do their own things, running their mouth and action without consequence. Like putra with his racist rants on CNY decor, any action? If he is cina and crtisize raya decor, what u think?


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post Jan 17 2020, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(RagingBalls @ Jan 17 2020, 08:36 AM)
Why so many versions of Islam if they only believe in 1 book (quran) 1 prophet (muhammad - to be their greatest and last among a string of Jewish Biblical prophets) and 1 god (allah)?  hmm.gif
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Let's not go there. We want to focus on the politics side that misuse religion than religion itself.

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