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iwubpreve
post Jan 16 2020, 08:54 AM

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apa tu expect?

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post Jan 16 2020, 08:55 AM

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BM is widely used. Impossible cannot master ore speak a few words. Unless that people never socialize with other races.

Like us in Sarawak; mixing with the ibans or the melanaus in schools, after a few years can master their language. Lel.
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post Jan 16 2020, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:43 AM)
There's a big difference between what you learn in school and normal conversational BM. A lot of Chinese will speak BM like how they learn in school but in day to day conversation, most Malays do not speak in that way. A lot of time, they use slangs which causes confusion. Nowadays, some are using Bahasa Wechat more. That is why you have Malay students themselves who failed BM.

One of my newly graduated colleague recently tried to speak BM to some Malays. When the Malays replied, he genuinely could not understand them because it sound so different from what he learn from school. Then he tried to speak some more and the Malays laugh at him. Not really their fault for laughing because it really sounds odd if you speak like you're reading from textbooks.

Not really making excuse but the fact is conversational BM is very different from school BM. Its like some people who speak English with Aussie, Scottish, etc. slang. Ask any Manchester United fans. Do they really understand what Alex Ferguson say last time when he was coach?
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Nothing wrong with speaking in textbook BM if it is a properly textbook BM. When i first come to KL it took me few months to learn their slang and accent before i can speak like locals to. Most kelantanese never bother to change to KL accent at all despite sounding funny to people in KL.

I think what being discussed here is people who barely can construct a sentence in BM even in writing.
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post Jan 16 2020, 08:56 AM

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I've taught the so-called low achieving classes in secondary school. It's rather easy to blame them for their mastery of BM language, and say they're not patriotic or anything.

Hakikatnya mereka bukan sj BM x pandai, malah semua subjek pun xleh pakai. Klu bhs Cina (majority budak Cina dkt kelas sy ajar) pun pandai cakap basic aje, tulis pun ada masalah.

Sebenarnya mrk mmg masalah pembelajaran. Tp apa daya? Bukan semua guru dilatih untuk menangani pelajar masalah ini. Dan senang-senang org luar jadikan ni isu kaum.

Aih...
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post Jan 16 2020, 08:58 AM

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kesian cikgu ajar di sekolah buruk? sjkc i know bm power power. esp written. whistling.gif
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post Jan 16 2020, 08:59 AM

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Kek bangla getting citizenship pun jadi issue in the end.

Look fags, given if you want to be citizen in 'better' countries like say your dreamland European countries you are likely to act as how these Banglas that your despise so much.

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post Jan 16 2020, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Jan 15 2020, 09:27 PM)
bak kata orang, masuk kandang kambing, mengembik, bukan oink oink oink
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niat tu betul tapi perangai macam sampah

macam mana la nak 'convince' diorang untuk pick up BM?

b*** betul la, baik xyah tegur. Lagi la diorang xnak dah bodo
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malay teacher teach sjkc? din't see that much wor
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post Jan 16 2020, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Jan 15 2020, 10:20 PM)
If born and raised in Malaysia, tapi tak tau BM, tu memang definisi warganegara sampah.

Lagi elok bagi citizenship dekat bangla
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U mean bangla calap melayu berterabur pun >>>> than malaysian that cant speak and understand malay?
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post Jan 16 2020, 09:04 AM

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Cikgu Puaka ni pun satu, x professional langsung, dah tahu puaka nak juga kerja as cikgu

Did you know teaching is a noble job? And BM is actually a beautiful language?

Buat malu kita org je
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post Jan 16 2020, 09:07 AM

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This non-BM speaking Malaysians is just a symptom of a bigger issue.

Root problem can be seen in this example.

QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:38 PM)
"SPEAK MY LANGUAGE OR GO HOME" is synonym with racism.

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Bahasa Malaysia is supposed to be YOUR language. If you think the national language is not yours and you even belittle and denigrate it then how do you expect other people to perceive you as a Malaysian?

I view this same as those idiots who disrespect the Jalur Gemilang.

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QUOTE(phillip88 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:56 AM)
I've taught the so-called low achieving classes in secondary school. It's rather easy to blame them for their mastery of BM language, and say they're not patriotic or anything.

Hakikatnya mereka bukan sj BM x pandai, malah semua subjek pun xleh pakai. Klu bhs Cina (majority budak Cina dkt kelas sy ajar) pun pandai cakap basic aje, tulis pun ada masalah.

Sebenarnya mrk mmg masalah pembelajaran. Tp apa daya? Bukan semua guru dilatih untuk menangani pelajar masalah ini. Dan senang-senang org luar jadikan ni isu kaum.

Aih...
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agree, that is why i say if they fail to speak, means it is the individual.
ppl bring race la, citizenship la dll..
we should mock the individual for his ability to learn a language enough la
this is an education thing, not anything else



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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:02 PM)
No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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not required as long as u contribute to the nation...

ask some of top gun people.. some of them even cant speak malay
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post Jan 16 2020, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:55 AM)
Nothing wrong with speaking in textbook BM if it is a properly textbook BM. When i first come to KL it took me few months to learn their slang and accent before i can speak like locals to. Most kelantanese never bother to change to KL accent at all despite sounding funny to people in KL.

I think what being discussed here is people who barely can construct a sentence in BM even in writing.
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It is a problem because a lot of people will not have the confidence to continue use BM when what they are hearing is totally different from what they learn. Again I am not trying to defend those who can't speak a sentence of BM but this is a genuine problem.

As for those who can't speak a sentence, I believe they are those coming from last classes of Chinese vernacular schools. They are basically bad in everything including Mandarin. This is a very bad problem of Chinese vernacular schools. They are so academic focus until those who can't catch up will be left behind and continue to rot when they reach SMK. That is one of the reason why homeschools are getting more popular in Klang Valley.

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SJKC students not good at BM, that's why they are there to learn.

So if you are a BM teacher and you still can't make them learn and they failed learning, then that is your problem already.

You failed to teach. And you just know how to complain only.

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post Jan 16 2020, 09:13 AM

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Well, put it this way; Your loss if you don't know it...
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post Jan 16 2020, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(UrbanGraduate @ Jan 16 2020, 09:04 AM)
Cikgu Puaka ni pun satu, x professional langsung, dah tahu puaka nak juga kerja as cikgu

Did you know teaching is a noble job? And BM is actually a beautiful language?

Buat malu kita org je
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Actually, if he really got the guts, he should back what he says with facts, cmon, which school he teaches? MOE can always visit and clarify
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post Jan 16 2020, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:10 AM)
It is a problem because a lot of people will not have the confidence to continue use BM when what they are hearing is totally different from what they learn. Again I am not trying to defend those who can't speak a sentence of BM but this is a genuine problem.

As for those who can't speak a sentence, I believe they are those coming from last classes of Chinese vernacular schools. They are basically bad in everything including Mandarin. This is a very bad problem of Chinese vernacular schools. They are so academic focus until those who can't catch up will be left behind and continue to rot when they reach SMK. That is one of the reason why homeschools are getting more popular in Klang Valley.
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It will sound funny at first but after a while you either sound like them or they will get used to how you sound and wouldn’t giggle at you anymore.

But if you speak in BM in accent and slang of where you come from, people don’t actually mind. Most of my non friend are from states outside KL/Selangor, they speak BM in the accent of states where they come from, and people in KL don’t really mind them talking like that.

Key is to start young.
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post Jan 16 2020, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:11 AM)
SJKC students not good at BM, that's why they are there to learn.

So if you are a BM teacher and you still can't make them learn and they failed learning, then that is your problem already.

You failed to teach. And you just know how to complain only.
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I don’t think he is a BM teacher. He is just a teacher, delivering his subject in BM. BM teacher will never mix their language in social media posting.

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