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> Jakim washes hands of ministry’s Ponggal letter, The game of Taichi begin News

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post Jan 15 2020, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(BrokeBack @ Jan 15 2020, 01:20 PM)
as a malaysian i wish Msia gov declare ponggal as a public holiday brows.gif
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manufacturing industry can't relate.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(spacelion @ Jan 15 2020, 03:52 PM)
wah only 2 DAP menteri

kalah teruk

the other troll managed to get 7 menteri

cmon JAKIM so shit must bubar . useless.
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7 menteri so what!
The school CNY decor already taken down after sat
Now now news liao
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:04 PM

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post Jan 15 2020, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jan 15 2020, 01:26 PM)
Actually, it's true, JAKIM has no power to enforce a lot of things. They are the central body where people "refer to for coordinating and managing anything about Islam in Malaysia".

So when people ask, "can a Muslim celebrate Ponggal?" for example, they will do some reading and meeting and come up with a unified statement: "No you can't".

But can they enforce it? NO. Can they sue somebody who celebrated it? NO. Can they instruct other bodies or authorities to adopt their stand? NO.

However, if any authoritative body decide to adopt it, then it can be enforced. So I think in the issue of Ponggal celebration, it's on KPM.
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jakim is a not so useful department but got billions budget every years. figure
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:06 PM

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post Jan 16 2020, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ Jan 15 2020, 09:48 PM)
Already wrong, now want to pusing.

Its ok. I understand. Stupid people like that 1
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So u’re saying the dept is useful la bongok memang bongok
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post Jan 16 2020, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:54 PM)
7 menteri so what!
The school CNY decor already taken down after sat
Now now news liao
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Put down again? How you know if no news?
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post Jan 16 2020, 09:36 AM

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post Jan 16 2020, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ Jan 15 2020, 09:41 PM)
The fuckin irony here is the same bodo that say muslim should be allowed to celebrate poggal festival just because its not religious but just a custom is the same bodo that mengelupur tngk 3 pages explaining what is the jawi writing on our currency etc because it is can turn people to Islam..
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Should b alowed lain, must learn lain. Pls understand d diference. Nobody can force anybody to celebrate anything if the don wan to.
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post Jan 16 2020, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jan 15 2020, 01:26 PM)
Actually, it's true, JAKIM has no power to enforce a lot of things. They are the central body where people "refer to for coordinating and managing anything about Islam in Malaysia".

So when people ask, "can a Muslim celebrate Ponggal?" for example, they will do some reading and meeting and come up with a unified statement: "No you can't".

But can they enforce it? NO. Can they sue somebody who celebrated it? NO. Can they instruct other bodies or authorities to adopt their stand? NO.

However, if any authoritative body decide to adopt it, then it can be enforced. So I think in the issue of Ponggal celebration, it's on KPM.
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True but they try so hard to be in power.
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post Jan 16 2020, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(8bitguy @ Jan 16 2020, 09:34 AM)
Put down again? How you know if no news?
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My kid study there mah
Decor only on the main staircase stay. The rest all taken down.
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post Jan 16 2020, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Jan 16 2020, 01:03 PM)
My kid study there mah
Decor only on the main staircase stay. The rest all taken down.
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So in the end PUTRA win also, not suprised.
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post Jan 16 2020, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(~min~ @ Jan 15 2020, 10:05 PM)
jakim is a not so useful department but got billions budget every years. figure
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Fungsi Jakim

Sebagai sebuah agensi utama pengurusan hal ehwal islam di peringkat persekutuan serta urus setia kepada Majlis Kebangsaan Bagi Hal Ehwal Agama Islam Malaysia (MKI), Maka JAKIM melaksanakan tiga fungsi utama berikut :

Fungsi 1 : Penggubalan dan Penyeragaman Undang-Undang Syarak

Fungsi 2 : Penyelarasan Pentadbiran Islam

Fungsi 3 : Penyelarasan dan Pembangunan Pendidikan Islam

Jabatan Kemajuan Islam Malaysia, Jabatan Perdana Menteri akan berperanan sebagai agensi pusat dalam perancangan pengurusan Hal Ehwal Islam dan pembangunan ummah dengan fungsi-fungsi seperti berikut:

Bertanggungjawab seperti perancang yang menentukan pembangunan dan kemajuan Hal Ehwal Islam di negara ini;

Merangka dasar bagi pembangunan Hal Ehwal Islam di negara ini dan menjaga kesucian akidah dan ajaran Islam

Membantu menggubal dan menyeragam undang-undang dan peraturan yang diperlukan serta menilai dan menyelaras pelaksanaan undang-undang dan pentadbiran yang sedia ada dari masa ke semasa dalam usaha untuk menyelesaikan masalah-masalah umat Islam;

Melaksanakan program-program pembangunan ummah dan penghayatan Islam dalam pengurusan negara;

Menyelaras mekanisma penguatkuasaan undang-undang serta peraturan-peraturan pentadbiran Hal Ehwal Islam di seluruh negara;

Membuat penilaian program-program Hal Ehwal Islam yang dilaksanakan di negara ini;

Bertindak sebagai pengumpul, penyebar dan pusat rujukan maklumat mengenai hal ehwal Islam; dan

Melaksanakan usaha-usaha pembangunan ummah melalui kerjasama di peringkat serantau dan antarabangsa.


Worth billions.
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post Jan 16 2020, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 01:09 PM)
Worth billions.
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Hypothetically, since the matter of Islamic religion is under the jurisdiction & purview of states, would it not be possible if the function of JAKIM be relegated into an inter-state agency, instead of centralised at the federal level? As such they're answerable to the state governments & their respective rulers directly, instead of an instrument for the federal government?

Therefore, the staffs shall be derived, seconded from the States, instead of being a federal employee, and the budgetary allocation will be derived from the contribution of each states instead of from the federal coffer.

This also shall prevent the perception that the federal government is interfering with the state jurisdiction on religious matter.

Just an opinion. Maybe there are parts of this idea that I'm ignorant of and blindsided about..

Because as per my knowledge, before its establishment, it used to be a secretariat for the Rulers Council, is it not? hmm.gif

This post has been edited by lucifer_666: Jan 16 2020, 01:27 PM
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post Jan 16 2020, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Jan 16 2020, 01:03 PM)
My kid study there mah
Decor only on the main staircase stay. The rest all taken down.
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Puchong not for human study one.
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post Jan 16 2020, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 01:26 PM)
Hypothetically, since the matter of Islamic religion is under the jurisdiction & purview of states, would it not be possible if the function of JAKIM be relegated into an inter-state agency, instead of centralised at the federal level? As such they're answerable to the state governments & their respective rulers directly, instead of an instrument for the federal government?

Therefore, the staffs shall be derived, seconded from the States, instead of being a federal employee, and the budgetary allocation will be derived from the contribution of each states instead of from the federal coffer.

This also shall prevent the perception that the federal government is interfering with the state jurisdiction on religious matter.

Just an opinion. Maybe there are parts of this idea that I'm ignorant of and blindsided about..

Because as per my knowledge, before its establishment, it used to be a secretariat for the Rulers Council, is it not? hmm.gif
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Which is the reason the learned fellows says it has gone by the constitution!?
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post Jan 16 2020, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 01:26 PM)
Hypothetically, since the matter of Islamic religion is under the jurisdiction & purview of states, would it not be possible if the function of JAKIM be relegated into an inter-state agency, instead of centralised at the federal level? As such they're answerable to the state governments & their respective rulers directly, instead of an instrument for the federal government?

Therefore, the staffs shall be derived, seconded from the States, instead of being a federal employee, and the budgetary allocation will be derived from the contribution of each states instead of from the federal coffer.

This also shall prevent the perception that the federal government is interfering with the state jurisdiction on religious matter.

Just an opinion. Maybe there are parts of this idea that I'm ignorant of and blindsided about..

Because as per my knowledge, before its establishment, it used to be a secretariat for the Rulers Council, is it not? hmm.gif
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Jakim is federal. They act to synchinize differences between states.

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post Jan 16 2020, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jan 16 2020, 01:28 PM)
Which is the reason the learned fellows says it has gone by the constitution!?
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I think so.

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 01:29 PM)
Jakim is federal. They act to synchinize differences between states.
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Which is why the suggestion to "defederalise" (if there's such a word) it and refine its role & position. Not abolish it, but to relegate the function & accountability back to the state without federal interference.

Relegate the function as such it is answerable directly to the conference of rulers & the state government, deriving budget & personnel from the states as well. Thus, maintaining their "coordination" function, as it'll be an inter-state agency.

This post has been edited by lucifer_666: Jan 16 2020, 01:37 PM
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Instead of educating, the Ministry of Education indulges in chaos making via the issuance of dim witted statements that has nothing to do with education.
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post Jan 16 2020, 01:31 PM

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somebody in jakim obviously fuked up because they issued an official response without really doing research into the subject. they should just own up to it and apologies.

instead they try to taichi macam bangang.

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