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lucifer_666
post Jan 16 2020, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 01:09 PM)
Worth billions.
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Hypothetically, since the matter of Islamic religion is under the jurisdiction & purview of states, would it not be possible if the function of JAKIM be relegated into an inter-state agency, instead of centralised at the federal level? As such they're answerable to the state governments & their respective rulers directly, instead of an instrument for the federal government?

Therefore, the staffs shall be derived, seconded from the States, instead of being a federal employee, and the budgetary allocation will be derived from the contribution of each states instead of from the federal coffer.

This also shall prevent the perception that the federal government is interfering with the state jurisdiction on religious matter.

Just an opinion. Maybe there are parts of this idea that I'm ignorant of and blindsided about..

Because as per my knowledge, before its establishment, it used to be a secretariat for the Rulers Council, is it not? hmm.gif

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post Jan 16 2020, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jan 16 2020, 01:28 PM)
Which is the reason the learned fellows says it has gone by the constitution!?
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I think so.

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 01:29 PM)
Jakim is federal. They act to synchinize differences between states.
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Which is why the suggestion to "defederalise" (if there's such a word) it and refine its role & position. Not abolish it, but to relegate the function & accountability back to the state without federal interference.

Relegate the function as such it is answerable directly to the conference of rulers & the state government, deriving budget & personnel from the states as well. Thus, maintaining their "coordination" function, as it'll be an inter-state agency.

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lucifer_666
post Jan 16 2020, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 01:55 PM)
I think there's already specific areas of responsibility or jurusdiction between jakim and majlis agama islam negeri-negeri.

In any case jakim is under JPM and not conference of rulers.
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Probably. If there's any clear boundaries & jurisdiction, I'm not privy to it.

I suppose the bold part is one of the core contested part on jakim being unconstitutional, subject to court interpretation of article 12(2) of course. But I digress..

Furthermore, slightly off tangent, as of today, I'm still uncertain and doubtful the roles of state Islamic department vs Islamic council.

For example:-
Majlis Agama Islam Selangor (MAIS) vs Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor (JAIS).

Do you have any idea the differences between them? Perhaps you can enlighten me..

lucifer_666
post Jan 16 2020, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(Pipopipo @ Jan 16 2020, 02:08 PM)
Now that u mention it, only i know there's so much majlis n jabatan agama in one state. Wont they overlapped each other in terms of functions n regularities??
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I don't know how their roles & functions are being divided, or if there's any overlapping jurisdiction. That's why I'm asking the question.


lucifer_666
post Jan 16 2020, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(Pipopipo @ Jan 16 2020, 02:12 PM)
Isit only selangor or other states have the same majlis n jabatan agama as well??
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In other states as well including Sarawak.

Some Googling suggest that Majlis (council) is the policymaker, under the monarch/sultan. Whereas Jabatan (department) is the enforcement agency, under the state government.

Jabatan is subsidiary to Majlis.

Or so my understanding goes.

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 02:14 PM)
Majlis Agama Islam Selangor (MAIS)
http://www.mais.net.my/

Majlis: Badan Penggubal
Pengurusan: Istana (Sultan)
Fungsi: Pengurusan zakat, wakaf dan baitulmal

Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor (JAIS)http://www.jais.gov.my/

Jabatan: Badan Perlaksana
Pengurusan: Kerajaan Negeri (Menteri)
Fungsi: Menegakkan syiar Islam dengan fungsi yang digariskan, antara lain menjaga dan mengurus kerja-kerja berkaitan hal ehwal orang-orang Islam seperti ibadah, pelajaran, nikah kahwin, harta pusaka, baitulmal, wakaf, khairat dan urusan berhubung Mahkamah Syariah.
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Yup. Got it bro. Thanks
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(Pipopipo @ Jan 16 2020, 02:16 PM)
But sarawak got no monarch/sultan??
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TYT I suppose, or probably YdPA, in the event the TYT is a non-Muslim.

But that's just a personal guess-work.

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