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post Jan 16 2020, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(homicidal85 @ Jan 16 2020, 01:31 PM)
somebody in jakim obviously fuked up because they issued an official response without really doing research into the subject. they should just own up to it and apologies.

instead they try to taichi macam bangang.
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Since when these officials apologize?
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post Jan 16 2020, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(estcin @ Jan 15 2020, 04:01 PM)
Sultan Johor: Why does JAKIM need RM1b budget?
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Maybe they build 50 stories tower each year otherwise how to use 1b
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post Jan 16 2020, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 01:31 PM)
Which is why the suggestion to "defederalise" (if there's such a word) it and refine its role & position. Not abolish it, but to relegate the function & accountability back to the state without federal interference.

Relegate the function as such it is answerable directly to the conference of rulers & the state government, deriving budget & personnel from the states as well. Thus, maintaining their "coordination" function, as it'll be an inter-state agency.
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I think there's already specific areas of responsibility or jurusdiction between jakim and majlis agama islam negeri-negeri.

In any case jakim is under JPM and not conference of rulers.
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post Jan 16 2020, 01:59 PM

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post Jan 16 2020, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 01:55 PM)
I think there's already specific areas of responsibility or jurusdiction between jakim and majlis agama islam negeri-negeri.

In any case jakim is under JPM and not conference of rulers.
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Probably. If there's any clear boundaries & jurisdiction, I'm not privy to it.

I suppose the bold part is one of the core contested part on jakim being unconstitutional, subject to court interpretation of article 12(2) of course. But I digress..

Furthermore, slightly off tangent, as of today, I'm still uncertain and doubtful the roles of state Islamic department vs Islamic council.

For example:-
Majlis Agama Islam Selangor (MAIS) vs Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor (JAIS).

Do you have any idea the differences between them? Perhaps you can enlighten me..

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post Jan 16 2020, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 02:04 PM)
Probably. If there's any clear boundaries & jurisdiction, I'm not privy to it.

I suppose the bold part is one of the core contested part on jakim being unconstitutional, subject to court interpretation of article 12(2) of course. But I digress..

Furthermore, slightly off tangent, as of today, I'm still uncertain and doubtful the roles of state Islamic department vs Islamic council.

For example:-
Majlis Agama Islam Selangor (MAIS) vs Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor (JAIS).

Do you have any idea the differences between them? Perhaps you can enlighten me..
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Now that u mention it, only i know there's so much majlis n jabatan agama in one state. Wont they overlapped each other in terms of functions n regularities??
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(Pipopipo @ Jan 16 2020, 02:08 PM)
Now that u mention it, only i know there's so much majlis n jabatan agama in one state. Wont they overlapped each other in terms of functions n regularities??
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I don't know how their roles & functions are being divided, or if there's any overlapping jurisdiction. That's why I'm asking the question.


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post Jan 16 2020, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 02:11 PM)
I don't know how their roles & functions are being divided, or if there's any overlapping jurisdiction. That's why I'm asking the question.
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Isit only selangor or other states have the same majlis n jabatan agama as well??
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 02:04 PM)
Probably. If there's any clear boundaries & jurisdiction, I'm not privy to it.

I suppose the bold part is one of the core contested part on jakim being unconstitutional, subject to court interpretation of article 12(2) of course. But I digress..

Furthermore, slightly off tangent, as of today, I'm still uncertain and doubtful the roles of state Islamic department vs Islamic council.

For example:-
Majlis Agama Islam Selangor (MAIS) vs Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor (JAIS).

Do you have any idea the differences between them? Perhaps you can enlighten me..
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Majlis Agama Islam Selangor (MAIS)
http://www.mais.net.my/

Majlis: Badan Penggubal
Pengurusan: Istana (Sultan)
Fungsi: Pengurusan zakat, wakaf dan baitulmal

Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor (JAIS)
http://www.jais.gov.my/

Jabatan: Badan Perlaksana
Pengurusan: Kerajaan Negeri (Menteri)
Fungsi: Menegakkan syiar Islam dengan fungsi yang digariskan, antara lain menjaga dan mengurus kerja-kerja berkaitan hal ehwal orang-orang Islam seperti ibadah, pelajaran, nikah kahwin, harta pusaka, baitulmal, wakaf, khairat dan urusan berhubung Mahkamah Syariah.

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post Jan 16 2020, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(Pipopipo @ Jan 16 2020, 02:12 PM)
Isit only selangor or other states have the same majlis n jabatan agama as well??
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In other states as well including Sarawak.

Some Googling suggest that Majlis (council) is the policymaker, under the monarch/sultan. Whereas Jabatan (department) is the enforcement agency, under the state government.

Jabatan is subsidiary to Majlis.

Or so my understanding goes.

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 02:14 PM)
Majlis Agama Islam Selangor (MAIS)
http://www.mais.net.my/

Majlis: Badan Penggubal
Pengurusan: Istana (Sultan)
Fungsi: Pengurusan zakat, wakaf dan baitulmal

Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor (JAIS)http://www.jais.gov.my/

Jabatan: Badan Perlaksana
Pengurusan: Kerajaan Negeri (Menteri)
Fungsi: Menegakkan syiar Islam dengan fungsi yang digariskan, antara lain menjaga dan mengurus kerja-kerja berkaitan hal ehwal orang-orang Islam seperti ibadah, pelajaran, nikah kahwin, harta pusaka, baitulmal, wakaf, khairat dan urusan berhubung Mahkamah Syariah.
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Yup. Got it bro. Thanks
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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 02:15 PM)
In other states as well including Sarawak.

Some Googling suggest that Majlis (council) is the policymaker, under the monarch/sultan. Whereas Jabatan (department) is the enforcement agency, under the state government.

Jabatan is subsidiary to Majlis.

Or so my understanding goes.
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But sarawak got no monarch/sultan??
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 02:14 PM)
Fungsi: Menegakkan syiar Islam dengan fungsi yang digariskan, antara lain menjaga dan mengurus kerja-kerja berkaitan hal ehwal orang-orang Islam seperti ibadah, pelajaran, nikah kahwin, harta pusaka, baitulmal, wakaf, khairat dan urusan berhubung Mahkamah Syariah.
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Enough said lah. Enemies of Islam keep attacking Jais for fulfilling their responsibilities. They do not want Islam to be stronger nor Muslims to be unified. You can see their comments in threads like this. The Jais is doing their job well, the people get butthurt because they want Malays and Muslims to become weak, to be headless, to be liberal.
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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 02:15 PM)
In other states as well including Sarawak.

Some Googling suggest that Majlis (council) is the policymaker, under the monarch/sultan. Whereas Jabatan (department) is the enforcement agency, under the state government.

Jabatan is subsidiary to Majlis.

Or so my understanding goes.
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Yes. Just like judiciary, legislative and executive being part of federal government.
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(Pipopipo @ Jan 16 2020, 02:16 PM)
But sarawak got no monarch/sultan??
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TYT I suppose, or probably YdPA, in the event the TYT is a non-Muslim.

But that's just a personal guess-work.

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post Jan 16 2020, 02:19 PM

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So it is just misunderstanding. Brothers and sisters fight also.
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 16 2020, 02:16 PM)
Enough said lah. Enemies of Islam keep attacking Jais for fulfilling their responsibilities. They do not want Islam to be stronger nor Muslims to be unified. You can see their comments in threads like this. The Jais is doing their job well, the people get butthurt because they want Malays and Muslims to become weak, to be headless, to be liberal.
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Here we go with ur imaginary enemies here n there again. Funny how u keep pointing out ppl commenting bout ur religion, trying to weaken ur religion n people, but at the same time turning a blind eyes towards what happen the other way. N btw, if ur faith is strong, nobody can ever do or shake ur belief. But here u r, trying to portray others as enemies, when u urself aint doing that much better toward others in the 1st place. Keep playing victim dude. Keep it going.

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post Jan 16 2020, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(Pipopipo @ Jan 16 2020, 02:16 PM)
But sarawak got no monarch/sultan??
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Refer to Article 3.3 in the constitution.
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QUOTE(Pipopipo @ Jan 16 2020, 02:25 PM)
Here we go with ur imaginary enemies here n there again. Funny how u keep pointing out ppl commenting bout ur religion, trying to weaken ur religion n people, but at the same time turning a blind eyes towards what happen the other way. N btw, if ur faith is strong, nobody can ever do or shake ur belief. But here u r, trying to portray others as enemies, when u urself aint doing that much better toward others in the 1st place. Keep playing victim dude. Keep it going.
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Are you not the enemy?
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 02:28 PM)
Refer to Article 3.3 in the constitution.
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Okie. Always nice to learn something new every other day. Will try google it later. N thanks.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 16 2020, 02:28 PM)
Are you not the enemy?
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So by asking trying to know more n commenting makes me one?? Ok.
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