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aliesterfiend
post Jan 15 2020, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ Jan 15 2020, 06:59 PM)
Like always. People ask, jakim jawab for muslim, but bodo yg butthurt. Apa jadah
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post Jan 16 2020, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(~min~ @ Jan 15 2020, 10:05 PM)
jakim is a not so useful department but got billions budget every years. figure
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Fungsi Jakim

Sebagai sebuah agensi utama pengurusan hal ehwal islam di peringkat persekutuan serta urus setia kepada Majlis Kebangsaan Bagi Hal Ehwal Agama Islam Malaysia (MKI), Maka JAKIM melaksanakan tiga fungsi utama berikut :

Fungsi 1 : Penggubalan dan Penyeragaman Undang-Undang Syarak

Fungsi 2 : Penyelarasan Pentadbiran Islam

Fungsi 3 : Penyelarasan dan Pembangunan Pendidikan Islam

Jabatan Kemajuan Islam Malaysia, Jabatan Perdana Menteri akan berperanan sebagai agensi pusat dalam perancangan pengurusan Hal Ehwal Islam dan pembangunan ummah dengan fungsi-fungsi seperti berikut:

Bertanggungjawab seperti perancang yang menentukan pembangunan dan kemajuan Hal Ehwal Islam di negara ini;

Merangka dasar bagi pembangunan Hal Ehwal Islam di negara ini dan menjaga kesucian akidah dan ajaran Islam

Membantu menggubal dan menyeragam undang-undang dan peraturan yang diperlukan serta menilai dan menyelaras pelaksanaan undang-undang dan pentadbiran yang sedia ada dari masa ke semasa dalam usaha untuk menyelesaikan masalah-masalah umat Islam;

Melaksanakan program-program pembangunan ummah dan penghayatan Islam dalam pengurusan negara;

Menyelaras mekanisma penguatkuasaan undang-undang serta peraturan-peraturan pentadbiran Hal Ehwal Islam di seluruh negara;

Membuat penilaian program-program Hal Ehwal Islam yang dilaksanakan di negara ini;

Bertindak sebagai pengumpul, penyebar dan pusat rujukan maklumat mengenai hal ehwal Islam; dan

Melaksanakan usaha-usaha pembangunan ummah melalui kerjasama di peringkat serantau dan antarabangsa.


Worth billions.
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post Jan 16 2020, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 01:26 PM)
Hypothetically, since the matter of Islamic religion is under the jurisdiction & purview of states, would it not be possible if the function of JAKIM be relegated into an inter-state agency, instead of centralised at the federal level? As such they're answerable to the state governments & their respective rulers directly, instead of an instrument for the federal government?

Therefore, the staffs shall be derived, seconded from the States, instead of being a federal employee, and the budgetary allocation will be derived from the contribution of each states instead of from the federal coffer.

This also shall prevent the perception that the federal government is interfering with the state jurisdiction on religious matter.

Just an opinion. Maybe there are parts of this idea that I'm ignorant of and blindsided about..

Because as per my knowledge, before its establishment, it used to be a secretariat for the Rulers Council, is it not? hmm.gif
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Jakim is federal. They act to synchinize differences between states.

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post Jan 16 2020, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 01:31 PM)
Which is why the suggestion to "defederalise" (if there's such a word) it and refine its role & position. Not abolish it, but to relegate the function & accountability back to the state without federal interference.

Relegate the function as such it is answerable directly to the conference of rulers & the state government, deriving budget & personnel from the states as well. Thus, maintaining their "coordination" function, as it'll be an inter-state agency.
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I think there's already specific areas of responsibility or jurusdiction between jakim and majlis agama islam negeri-negeri.

In any case jakim is under JPM and not conference of rulers.
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 02:04 PM)
Probably. If there's any clear boundaries & jurisdiction, I'm not privy to it.

I suppose the bold part is one of the core contested part on jakim being unconstitutional, subject to court interpretation of article 12(2) of course. But I digress..

Furthermore, slightly off tangent, as of today, I'm still uncertain and doubtful the roles of state Islamic department vs Islamic council.

For example:-
Majlis Agama Islam Selangor (MAIS) vs Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor (JAIS).

Do you have any idea the differences between them? Perhaps you can enlighten me..
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Majlis Agama Islam Selangor (MAIS)
http://www.mais.net.my/

Majlis: Badan Penggubal
Pengurusan: Istana (Sultan)
Fungsi: Pengurusan zakat, wakaf dan baitulmal

Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor (JAIS)
http://www.jais.gov.my/

Jabatan: Badan Perlaksana
Pengurusan: Kerajaan Negeri (Menteri)
Fungsi: Menegakkan syiar Islam dengan fungsi yang digariskan, antara lain menjaga dan mengurus kerja-kerja berkaitan hal ehwal orang-orang Islam seperti ibadah, pelajaran, nikah kahwin, harta pusaka, baitulmal, wakaf, khairat dan urusan berhubung Mahkamah Syariah.

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post Jan 16 2020, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 16 2020, 02:15 PM)
In other states as well including Sarawak.

Some Googling suggest that Majlis (council) is the policymaker, under the monarch/sultan. Whereas Jabatan (department) is the enforcement agency, under the state government.

Jabatan is subsidiary to Majlis.

Or so my understanding goes.
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Yes. Just like judiciary, legislative and executive being part of federal government.
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(Pipopipo @ Jan 16 2020, 02:16 PM)
But sarawak got no monarch/sultan??
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Refer to Article 3.3 in the constitution.
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(Pipopipo @ Jan 16 2020, 02:25 PM)
Here we go with ur imaginary enemies here n there again. Funny how u keep pointing out ppl commenting bout ur religion, trying to weaken ur religion n people, but at the same time turning a blind eyes towards what happen the other way. N btw, if ur faith is strong, nobody can ever do or shake ur belief. But here u r, trying to portray others as enemies, when u urself aint doing that much better toward others in the 1st place. Keep playing victim dude. Keep it going.
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Are you not the enemy?
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(Pipopipo @ Jan 16 2020, 02:30 PM)
So by asking trying to know more n commenting makes me one?? Ok.
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I'm asking.
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post Jan 16 2020, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(Pipopipo @ Jan 16 2020, 02:34 PM)
N that's my answer to ur question. How u choose to interpret it, i had no control over it.
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Just yes or no should suffice. If not, it's open for interpretation and in absence of physical reprerentation then written evidence is usually enough to form opinion.

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