In my opinion, lotus handling in proton is overrated.

Ppl has been talking bout how good proton cars handling is.

The fact is that, I own a 1st gen persona, drove it for 6 years.

lately I started driving vios 2nd gen, drove it at sub urban kampung roads, speed maintain bout 90-100km/h,

I do not feel that much of a difference between the handling of both.

It might be that I do corners at speed of 60-80kmh depends on the angulation of the corners, is it consider slow? Both car handles quite well for me.

In terms of pricing, a vios high spec is almost double the price of a persona,

The vios is a much refined car
-the engine is powerful and reliable
-transmission does not gv much problems too
-the interior is much refined compared to protons
-the steering feel is pretty good

In general, persona isnt that bad either, for almost half of the price of a vios. Its also reliable, it just lack that refinement,
-fuel hungry and less powerful campro but reliable
-4at is also a reliable transmission.
-IAFM will gv prob after driving 100-200k

I think best handling proton to is Gen2, but ride is like shit.

But even the best proton cannot match a basic Ford Fiesta which handles better and rides better.

Until today, Proton can't even tell exactly what Lotus Handling is.

I don't k is about persona but I've owned a proton waja, ford focus MK1 and subsequently MK2.5

I would say the waja is comparable especially long kona

LMAO.


lagista

stay under pokok jual keta, lotus handling konon.

Inbe4 bigger car more stable.

Inbe4.waja chassis dari volvo

vios steering feel is pretty good?!?!


SERIOUSLY?

the only true lotus handling is satria neo.

after satria neo, the lotus handling is simply just a marketing gimmick.

satria neo is truly a sports car. the only problem is campro engine is shit.

R u sure vios handling better? U must be joking. Vios is one of the worse car I drove in terms of handling. Fast speed unstable. Corner unstable

Change new persona the handling improved by miles and more powerful.

But gearbox vios feels better. That's all

My thoughts exactly

toyota dna. vios camry altis myvi bezza perodua handling really so so

dunno why some sohai can drive so fast in these tin milo on highway

I want to try Satria Neo..

Not fast
No rear roll bar
After 140km/h it's really unstable
Cornering is borderline garbage
Seats aren't that good
Interior n gearbox is good tho

Maybe I drove it <100km/h , I might try 120 or more in the future.


the only good thing bout it is it is quite reliable lol.

yes vios tranmission is much much better coupled with its powerful engine. Im not sure of speeds above 120km/h , just started driving it for a few days.


vios is a city car, I think speeds below 120km/h is pretty much okay.

how fast do u want it to be?
no roll bar but if u dont do cornering in high speed its okay lah bro, Im not a racer.

Not so bad cornering lah bro, all along i hv been driving persona hantam corner, change to vios ok also lah, maybe driver skillful im not sure lol.

Seats is better than persona , interior much much refined.

The ride is better on vios, suspensions are softer , but not until like a sampan if u keep speeds below 120kmh.

Satria Neo > Satria GTI?

Seriously?

below 120kph all cars are not sampan

please drive faster to find vios weaknesses

Yes the car is light, I can imagine how it feels if above 120kmh. But for my usage, mostly on trunk roads max 110kmh, dangerous to go beyond that speed.

Ts can try tampin to kuala pilah road too. No need to go too fast to feel the handling. Sharp corner bend, can feel, hesitate or not to turn steering wheel. Can really feel, handling accuracy.

proton a/c>all

Im quite gentle to corners, I dont push the car, even if its on my persona. bout 60-70kmh is comfortable enuff for both cars. Some sharper ones bout 40-50kmh is ok too.

How come iriz won rally?

r u joking or what? its been heavily modded of course.

should compare with 3rd gen vios, it is worse than dugong

I commute to work for 7 years using 2011 fofi hb, spirited driving
Once had to borrow a friend’s satria neo for a few weeks and i still thinks it handles better

This topic has been discussed ad nauseam. Truth is, most don't even know what good handling is even if it hit them in the face.

When asked, I remember one of the answer (years ago forgot from FnF or /k) was "Myvi has superior handling because the steering is light and easy to turn."

dont think its fair to compare a sedan with a hatchback

must be from /k/

As much I want to condemn proton.. saying vios have a good handling make me laugh even more

hv u tried jepunis cars?

yes u r right, most of ppl dont even know what handling is. But to say persona's handling is very superior, I think its overrated, it might just handles slightly better. The vios can handle corners well to, I think it also depending on the skill level of the driver, and what kind of speed one is cornering. If u attack corners less aggressively I think both cars more or less handles the same, both are under control.

Hatchback> sedan
Tak ada rasa membuang dekat belakang.

Actually I Corner also not fast. Around 60km/h. But vios feel like floating dy.

Persona u need mod abit n trust me. It will alot better. I upgrade sound proofing n the car feels so much better

Prefer wastegate regulates boost via the intake plenum... siggy...

the old persona elegance has good handling. Way better than vios. I have my routine route to test cars, normally late at night. I test a day before sending to service or for test drive, i normally do on weekends.

And im confident to say, persona elegance is better than vios. But not the new model, havent tested that yet. But if compare with new persona, yea, i think vios wins.

R3 lotus turner > vios

Before corner I will let go fuel paddle, let it cruise on 70-60kmh, just nice. doesnt feel floating.

what speed u hantam corner? u must be driving aggresively.

At those speeds, I can say your comparison is not conclusive enough.

+1

waja, ori satria gti, handling quite good. ride comfort was ok too...

Used to have a Savvy. Better handling than any VIOS or City. And i have a current gen City.

Honestly, i don't think you understand what handling means...

This post has been edited by 8bitguy: Nov 11 2019, 09:42 PM

maafkan TS, ts only drove persona IAFM and vios before

😂Beli vios baik beli bezza or myvi la.. Buang duit beli tin kosong 80k...rear aircond vent pun tadak... Lampu pun halogen jer.. Setakat paddle shift dgn cvt enjin 1.5 NA sama laju dgn myvi av jer...Bezza and myvi safety on par with vios.. Still 5 star lancap la weh event though vios 7 airbag and 7 speed cvt.

Nk make up modified also useless coz too ugly bro. Try la test drive vios and Honda City and see how diff there are.

Any R3 proton will dispatch any vios from production line

people who have driven the good and the bad
like toyota/perodua vs proton/mercedes/BMW/Audi will be able to tell u what is good handling

the difference is pretty obvious

Baru try vios dah kata better than proton handling. Bro, All common toyota prior to camry hybrid drives like a boat. Even Mark x with lexus is250 engine. Lol

yes, exactly

handling also need to feel accurate

you point the steering where, the car it goes there

speed is one thing, handling needs to be quick and accurate and responsive

Tried exora 160+ still stable on highway, then tried aruz 130+ already making me wanna vomit

Marketing

I second ur assessment, even a Supra has boat like qualities if u jump back into Nissan R3x

Now don’t get me wrong the super is iconic, but it’s a one trick pony...

If u know what is oversteer and understeer while taking corner then only u talk about good handling.

Persona Elegance, lagi laju lagi sedap bawak

Vios memang shit. Kosong one. My persona has better specs then vios dy

I oversteer masuk longkang. Count onot?

I dunno but my Waja handles like a dream. Seriously.

Ive been driving altis and old persona for long distance.
Even altis handling like sheet. totally cannot compare to old persona.

Shit tyres, first gen vios, rain plus heavy corner. Oh n 90km/h. Masuk subang longkang. Not the type if longkang I want masuk

U dun need that level of handling if u r only doing 120kmh or less right.

i drive supirma, karak bentong genting sempah 140-150 no prob

Now driving hrv but its a different class so cant really compare
Sometime i do drive my wife’s almera, handling is so so only
Drove city a few times but didnt push it so cant comment

Gen1 Persona launch 1993, Gen2 Vios launch 2002...
and you take this 2 to compare...

Moreover, Proton bought Lotus back in 1996, so I am 99% sure Lotus not involved in tuning Gen1 Persona AT ALL.

Ini tered mesti summon tokdukun for opinion. lagista also summon.

Vios engine not powerful at all
Acceleration suckss
Alot of random rattling noise, komplen to sc for 2yrs plus still kenot fix
Fk toyota

bro Im sure u havent drove a car with campro engine before lol. Then u will know what is no power.

Yeh I drove before preve non turbo & saga fl
Le vios still slightly better than them but can't compare to the og godcar

Yeah meh? I got 1st n 3rd gen vios. 1st gen very smooth. Best among all vios. 3rd feels too fast like too much torque but at same time, the car feel like can't move

Yeah proton engine no power in low rpm. But above 2k rpm. Torque is more readily available.
Low rpm torque is useful when starting in traffic light.

i have both proton and vios, high speed corner proton is sharp and stable vios buai. and yes i corner around 100-120kph

kek... jangan cabar proton

+1 all these lotus handling are nothing more than commercial gimmicky names to make the ordinary driver feels like a wannabe pro racer while driving through a Jam packed Jalan Tun Razak on a Friday afternoon at 10km/hr

Not sure why it matters, all of it are econobox cars at the shit class category.

Rather they gave Peugeot quality interior than a Lotus inspired handling.

For everyday cars, it still can't beat Fords.

you are confusing Wira with 1st gen Persona.

Wira was called Persona in export markets. In Malaysia 1st Gen Persona was launched in 2007.

Also gen 2 Vios launched in 2007.

This post has been edited by dares: Nov 11 2019, 11:20 PM

Ford? Bad taste

>Dugong
>Same handling than persona elegance

Lel, TS unker driver can say liddat la, my daily driver Gen2 CPS MT, i can say Msians vast majority like to waste time drive slow, hog right lanes, etc, no sense of urgency in driving, i notice i drive faster than many people.

For me, screw fc, time is too precious to waste liddat, Vios just doesn't cut it. I've driven it plenty enough, i find myself too nervous, had to slow down than I'd like to drive cuz that car just doesn't inspire confidence like my Gen2 does.

But good for TS la, fits his driving. To those that pushes the car's limit further, the Lotus handling is not a gimmick.

After that turned into rat nest?

Car still fine. Front side bumper habis, suspension habis. Repair around 10k plus

Ts sudah try Preve ornot. You just tested persons and concluded Lotus handling is overrated. Not fair ler

This post has been edited by maxizanc: Nov 11 2019, 11:45 PM

Used to drive a Taurus, Contour and Mondeo Mk1 and Mk2.

All were pretty good cars for what they were.

Many experienced car reviewer (I'm sure not all are paid reviews right...) have driven recent proton made cars and have commended on its ride and handling.

What any credibility have you, 1 individual out of many to say that protons lotus ride and handling is a gimmick?

It's not shown now yes the lotus handling badge and all, but I'm sure there is some significant remnants of it. Evidence through their R3 team and rally.

Just watch this uncle push the lastest saga to its limits up genting.

https://youtu.be/GAUCxIv-5HY

This post has been edited by Imagination *-*: Nov 12 2019, 12:10 AM

indeed

sampan floating feeling... goodness... how lah to attack corner furiously?

What credibility should I hve to voice out my own opinion ? U don’t like it u just leave lah. Why so triggered ?

Brother YS Khong really push the car at the corners

1st 1.3 car he drove up to genting in 30 years lol

attack corner liddis

I think on day to day driving, most cars will feel similar with softer sprung car feeling more superior as most city roads are bumpy and rough, having a smoother ride makes you feel that you are more in control.

However, try driving up/down places like genting and Cameron that have sharp and continuous corners. That's when you can tell what car feels easier to control.

Gotta agree that IAFM is dogshit and campro is very rough. Most Protons have a very comfy yet firm ride but the noisy campro just ruins everything.

My own 1st gen persona is free of most creaks/rattles but the noise and vibration at higher speed /rpm from the engine is just terrible. Very quiet and comfy ride under 100kmh / 3krpm though, I would say it is even more comfortable than the latest myvi on rougher roads.

The 4AT is also smoother than stupid punch CVT for daily usage, no stupid clutch causing delays and jerks.

lol

I used to prioritise handling over comfort in my younger days. Modifying suspension setup and such.

Now i'm contented drive stock standard with only requirement of having good tyres. I think i am getting old.. lol

Apply hard brake all the way..hahahahha

Btw uncle khong reviewed the latest gen vios. He said is pretty decent handling and nolonger like older gens.

U guys shoild be more specific in which gen vios.

My definition of good handling is when you kona high speed, you dont Feel terbuang outside, the car is planted to the road, it goes where you want it to go.

Lotus Handling?
Satria GTi qualifies for it, because it's the only car that have the sticker.

Neo and Suprima also got that sticker from factory

Neo and Suprima is newer models mah.
GTi is the 1st model to have that.

If you know, please enlighten us.... No we don't want answer from uncle google.

We want to know exactly how LOTUS HANDLING prevents Oversteer and Understeer!!!!!

LOTUS engineering is just a name only, they only tweeted the Mitsubishi suspension which any Ah Beng under the tree workshop can do, but the name is valuable so Proton bought it over and used it kawkaw. If you look at the so called Neo and Waja lotus suspension, it is exactly the same as Wira suspensions.

My point is , do u know such high level of handling in everyday goto-to-work drive. There is reason too why myvi is the best selling car.

does ts know vios 2nd gen and persona both are 4 speed auto? lol