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SUSskyblu3
post Sep 7 2023, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Sep 5 2023, 05:57 PM)
How to know if the helmet has real ece or just a sticker hmm.gif
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get well known branded helmets.

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post Sep 7 2023, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Sep 5 2023, 05:42 PM)
mebe china made..
got jpj sticker
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MHR helmet is legit lah.
it's a local brand helmet made in penang. they also make hevo brand which i find really good quality for the asking price.

sure got JPJ sticker since local brand.
there's also a few other local brand like xdot which is also locally certified.
i rate these locally made helmet higher than china no-name brands.
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post Sep 7 2023, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Sep 7 2023, 11:01 AM)
get well known branded helmets.
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I also know someone who said they got a new arai full face for 500. tongue.gif

Just get a HJC or a scorpion...they are quite decent for the price.

As for these street fighter helmets...never quite liked them...although they do look very nice though. All of them are extremely loud, the visors are hard to replace, and optical quality no where near the flat plane visors of full face...plus I prefer a clear visor with a retractable sunvisor for a full day helmet. Plus I feel more secure with a hard chin bar of a full face for safety.
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post Sep 7 2023, 01:36 PM

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MHR is ABS shell. Shell made in China, used to also make LS2 shells. Their helmets used to cost RM200.
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post Sep 7 2023, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Sep 7 2023, 01:27 PM)
I also know someone who said they got a new arai full face for 500. tongue.gif

Just get a HJC or a scorpion...they are quite decent for the price.

and i got two buddies. proudly show me their Shoei X-Spirit Marquez edition.
about RM500 or 600 also.

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oh yes, just get branded entry level HJC or Scorpion and other branded ones is good enough.
Much better than buying fakes and also those with just with Sirim Stickers.
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post Sep 7 2023, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Sep 7 2023, 12:25 PM)
MHR helmet is legit lah.
it's a local brand helmet made in penang. they also make hevo brand which i find really good quality for the asking price.

sure got JPJ sticker since local brand.
there's also a few other local brand like xdot which is also locally certified.
i rate these locally made helmet higher than china no-name brands.
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what sort of safety tests sirim do on these helmets?
curious.
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post Sep 7 2023, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Sep 7 2023, 12:25 PM)
MHR helmet is legit lah.
it's a local brand helmet made in penang. they also make hevo brand which i find really good quality for the asking price.

sure got JPJ sticker since local brand.
there's also a few other local brand like xdot which is also locally certified.
i rate these locally made helmet higher than china no-name brands.
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made in china doesnt mean it is not legit bro.

As highlighted by me earlier in this thread,
MHR is the parent company of LS2, the founder is from China, and it all started from there.

History explained here.
https://www.ls2usa.com/about

locally/malaysian made helmet, doesnt require jpj approval.
And local made helmet, locally assembled helmet have Sirim sticker.



This post has been edited by basilisk: Sep 7 2023, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Sep 7 2023, 01:57 PM)
what sort of safety tests sirim do on these helmets?
curious.
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impact test and penetration test?
in line with UN ECE certification since SIRIM QAS also provides those test at their facility.

the MS1:2011 standard need to purchase to read.

QUOTE(basilisk @ Sep 7 2023, 02:29 PM)
made in china doesnt mean it is not legit bro.

As highlighted by me earlier in this thread,
MHR is the parent company of LS2, the founder is from China, and it all started from there.

History explained here.
https://www.ls2usa.com/about

locally/malaysian made helmet, doesnt require jpj approval.
And local made helmet, locally assembled helmet have Sirim sticker.
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i'm talking about some of those weird brand helmet that is sold in shopee.
i rate local brands better than those.

good brands from china like LS2 no need say la. i also own helmet from LS2.
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post Sep 7 2023, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Sep 7 2023, 01:57 PM)
what sort of safety tests sirim do on these helmets?
curious.
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Im not exactly sure..but ive heard the testing is similar to ece tests...

Some has even said its better than ece as ece only does drop test once while sirim does it twice..no idea of the truth in this.

I think theres is a video on youtube from years ago abt sirim helmet tests...

As for sirim cert....heres a quote from my email correspondence a few years ago when i asked abt gettin a sirim sticker for my already ece certified personal helmet.

"Biasanya helmet yg mendapatkan pelekat SIRIM adalah untuk dijual kerana prosesnya melibatkan audit di kilang dan testing."

So i conclude myself that sirim cert is more for locally produced helmets as factory audit is required and i doubt sirim wanna travel overseas to audit overseas brand helmets.


As for jpj sticker, dont think its for local brand...as local will have sirim....i think the first brand to have that sticker is kyt when they first started getting popular...n kyt is indo brand that, at the time, only had indos sni cert n no ece.
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post Sep 7 2023, 03:41 PM

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If buying a new helmet and in doubt, just go for ECE22-06 lor.

They are filtering down to lower end helmets. Some of the entry level HJCs are already 22-06 rated..but I forgot which model. LS2 as well.


That said I would stay away from ABS shell helmets unless you are really budget constraint. It's the least resistant of all the shell types to cracking (due to it being more brittle) in impacts leading to poor force distribution across the EPS impact foam. By minimum a polycarbonate shell. Fiberglass if you can spend a bit more.

Don't even consider those cheap china helmets. I have 1 that I use for go karting. It's extremely lightweight...about 1kg for a full face . Would highly doubt they will fair well in a crash.

As for china made shells, almost all the manufacturer have shells coming out of china. As long as it's backed by a good brand with proper certification, I'm not too concerned about where the sells come from.

Only shoei and arai comes out of Japan. Everyone else has china shells.... HJC's premium RPHA line ( PIM+ shell) is made in Korea but the cheaper polycarbonate ones comes from Vietnam. AGV top flight lids are made in Italy but the lower end lids are also out from china.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Sep 7 2023, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Sep 7 2023, 03:41 PM)
Only shoei and arai comes out of Japan. Everyone else has china shells.... HJC's premium RPHA line ( PIM+ shell) is made in Korea but the cheaper polycarbonate ones comes from Vietnam. AGV top flight lids are made in Italy but the lower end lids are also out from china.
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I think Marushin and Kabuto helmets are also made in Japan. At least Marushin's Premium Line helmets.
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post Sep 8 2023, 09:27 AM

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As much as DOT is the less preferred standard, I like it that it's results are documented and open, an example:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/ctr/9999/TRTR-...16-2017-001.pdf

ABS degrades in UV, so PC is still better in this sense, fibreglass, carbon fibre and those that uses resin system to give shape is more difficult to project since those resins are proprietary


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post Sep 8 2023, 10:53 AM

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How do you guys wash your helmet? and what did you use to clean it?
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post Sep 8 2023, 11:25 AM

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post Sep 8 2023, 11:32 AM

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for guys with big size head I've been burned may times. Helmet size double XXL and measurement as per size chart but when worn it is small and not fit. Even from the same manufacturer size can differ.

They usually give excuse that shell is the same size only the thickness of the padding determine the sizes which sucks. But recently I bought MHR and it fits like a glove, legitimately roomy and did not pressed on my ears. I am now MHR for life.
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QUOTE(MrWrath @ Sep 8 2023, 11:32 AM)
for guys with big size head I've been burned may times. Helmet size double XXL and measurement as per size chart but when worn it is small and not fit. Even from the same manufacturer size can differ.

They usually give excuse that shell is the same size only the thickness of the padding determine the sizes which sucks. But recently I bought MHR and it fits like a glove, legitimately roomy and did not pressed on my ears. I am now MHR for life.
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Which is why must always go test a helmet at the shop n never buy online....unless ur buying the same helmet for a 2nd time.

Roomy? Didnt press ears? U sure u got the fitment right? A helmet is supposed to be snug...not roomy.
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post Sep 8 2023, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Sep 8 2023, 11:45 AM)
Which is why must always go test a helmet at the shop n never buy online....unless ur buying the same helmet for a 2nd time.

Roomy? Didnt press ears? U sure u got the fitment right? A helmet is supposed to be snug...not roomy.
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I live in Island, too little variant and too expensive, so everytime must buy online. Everytime I bought new helmets I had to put an appropriate length bottle between the opposite ends of the inside of the helmet to stretch the inside of the helmet for 2 weeks. After that, then I could wear it comfortably. With MHR, it just fit nicely on day one. That is what I meant by roomy, it does not pressing hard into my head and ears

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Sep 7 2023, 03:41 PM)
If buying a new helmet and in doubt, just go for ECE22-06 lor.

They are filtering down to lower end helmets. Some of the entry level HJCs are already 22-06 rated..but I forgot which model. LS2 as well.
That said I would stay away from ABS shell helmets unless you are really budget constraint. It's the least resistant of all the shell types to cracking (due to it being more brittle) in impacts leading to poor force distribution across the EPS impact foam. By minimum a polycarbonate shell. Fiberglass if you can spend a bit more.

Don't even consider those cheap china helmets. I have 1 that I use for go karting. It's extremely lightweight...about 1kg for a full face . Would highly doubt they will fair well in a crash.

As for china made shells, almost all the manufacturer have shells coming out of china. As long as it's backed by a good brand with proper certification, I'm not too concerned about where the sells come from.

Only shoei and arai comes out of Japan. Everyone else has china shells.... HJC's premium RPHA line ( PIM+ shell) is made in Korea but the cheaper polycarbonate ones comes from Vietnam. AGV top flight lids are made in Italy but the lower end lids are also out from china.
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Latest HJC that's ECE 22.06 rated is C-10 , cheapest at Rm519
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QUOTE(007SMH @ Sep 8 2023, 12:00 PM)
Latest HJC that's ECE 22.06 rated is C-10 , cheapest at Rm519
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Well considering the first models out with 22.06 are all the premium level 3000+ helmets.

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