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post Jul 29 2022, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Jul 28 2022, 09:01 PM)
HJC, if not Carbon Fibre then a bit heavy compared to other brands but it's one of the quietest helmets I've ever tried...

Riding with HJC I90 and C80 now
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post Jul 29 2022, 10:24 AM

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Guys, need your opinion.

I am noobs in riding bike, not into fast ride, only small scooter.

Wanted to try out full face helmet.

What would be your recommendation for a newbie to budget buy just to try out full face for long ride? Anything I should look out for?

I know wind noise is one thing that can annoy me big time 'cos it muffle up the bluetooth speakers.
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post Jul 29 2022, 10:26 AM

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by the way, I had gone tested the HJC CS-15, but shop does not have XXL size and XL is too hard on my cheek.

Going to look for another shop that has XXL for testing.
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post Jul 29 2022, 12:17 PM

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post Jul 29 2022, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Jul 29 2022, 10:26 AM)
by the way, I had gone tested the HJC CS-15, but shop does not have XXL size and XL is too hard on my cheek.

Going to look for another shop that has XXL for testing.
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Helmet sizing is for the crown of your head.

If your cheeks are too squished, i am wondering if thats what it is supposed to be. A new helmet is supposed to be uncomfortably tight at the cheek area until it beds in, after a few weeks of use. Most people get a too big helmet because they think the cheek pads are too tight then realizes it that it is loose fitting a few weeks later. Unless you have a particularly round lower face, most helmets would fit well if the crown of your head fits well.

A more premium helmet will allow you to swap cheek pads for thinner pads or customize cheek pads themselves for a better fit. For example, if your helmet come in 3 shell sizes, (XS/S, M/L and XL-2XL) and say you buy a M shell size, you can swap out the M cheekpads for L cheekpads as the helmet shell size is the same, manufacturer use different thickness of the pads to make a M helmet, a L size by using thinner pads.


If you fit an XL helmet, then see if you can buy XXL cheek pads separately. The XL and XXL shell size should be identical

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post Jul 29 2022, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Jul 29 2022, 10:24 AM)
Guys, need your opinion.

I am noobs in riding bike, not into fast ride, only small scooter.

Wanted to try out full face helmet.

What would be your recommendation for a newbie to budget buy just to try out full face for long ride? Anything I should look out for?

I know wind noise is one thing that can annoy me big time 'cos it muffle up the bluetooth speakers.
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Weight, budget and features.


A full face will undoubtedly be heavier than your current open face. The more premium helmets will be a composite or carbon shell, which can be as light as an open face, but we are talking something north of 2,000. Zeus has budget full carbon full faces that are quite light at the 1000rm range.

Look for the safety certs, at bare minimum, look for something with ECE 22-05. ECE 22-06 is out already but still not many available in the market.

If you are using bluetooth coms, look for a helmet with speaker pockets.


Assuming if you have the budget, try getting a full face that is compatible with pinlock, as full faces tend to fog up easier in cooler weather or when raining. There are aftermarket stick on "pinlocks" if your helmet is not compatible with one.

If you are planning to buy one online, please go to a shop and test the helmet fitting first then order the same one online. remember the helmet is supposed to be tight at the cheeks until is beds in after a few weeks to use.

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post Jul 29 2022, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Jul 29 2022, 10:26 AM)
by the way, I had gone tested the HJC CS-15, but shop does not have XXL size and XL is too hard on my cheek.

Going to look for another shop that has XXL for testing.
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When testing out helmet, tightness in the cheek area is still ok.
Eventually the padding here will fit into the shape of your face and gives you a snug fit.

Most important is the crown area, and the shape of your head Vs the shell. Not so much about the tightness in the chin pad. Don't worry about it.


This was my mistake when I was buying my first FF helmet, I bought a bigger size as I felt the padding was pressing on my cheek tightly. Few months later when the padding sets in, the helmet was loose. Regretted for not buying the correct size.
Luckily that was a cheaper hjc (IS17).

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post Jul 29 2022, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jul 29 2022, 01:36 PM)
Weight, budget and features.
A full face will undoubtedly be heavier than your current open face. The more premium helmets will be a composite or carbon shell, which can be as light as an open face, but we are talking something north of 2,000. Zeus has budget full carbon full faces that are quite light at the 1000rm range.

Look for the safety certs, at bare minimum, look for something with ECE 22-05. ECE 22-06 is out already but still not many available in the market.

If you are using bluetooth coms, look for a helmet with speaker pockets.
Assuming if you have the budget, try getting a full face that is compatible with pinlock, as full faces tend to fog up easier in cooler weather or when raining. There are aftermarket stick on "pinlocks" if your helmet is not compatible with one.

If you are planning to buy one online, please go to a shop and test the helmet fitting first then order the same one online. remember the helmet is supposed to be tight at the cheeks until is beds in after a few weeks to use.
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I fully understood the sizing part.

Crown size fit tightly, but the cheek pads are overly tight to a point my wisdom tooth on both sides felt like gonna be squeezed out of the gum after putting on for 10mins in the showroom.

Was thinking about changing to XXL cheek pad, but I needed to test the XXL helmet first and see if it's loose around the crown or fitting.

Will be visiting another shop tomorrow to check out their XXL CS-15.

No intention to splurge yet 'cos I am waiting for GT Air 2 stock to come in for the color I want. I am just not too sure if I really want a full face in the long run, hence testing out with budget one to start with. CS-15 looks right from budget and build perspective to be experimenting.


Appreciate your kind input.
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post Jul 29 2022, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jul 29 2022, 01:22 PM)
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Woweee so glad I’m reading this. At the point of trying my M helmet, I felt a little bit tight having difficulty talking. But the assistant was kind enough to assure me that it was a good fit after asking me to shake my head thumbup.gif
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I recently bought a Revo Red visor from Shopee for my HJC C70 , The fittings not as perfect as the original and there's wind noises coming from the gaps when fully closed , and some lens distortion (slight lens flaring). Overall still okie , might need to add some thin noise insulation tapes to overcome the issues.

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post Jul 30 2022, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(persona93 @ Jul 29 2022, 10:08 PM)
Woweee so glad I’m reading this. At the point of trying my M helmet, I felt a little bit tight having difficulty talking. But the assistant was kind enough to assure me that it was a good fit after asking me to shake my head thumbup.gif
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I did the headshake test on the XL and that's where I confirm it fits the crown but oh my teeth ... sweat.gif
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post Jul 30 2022, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(007SMH @ Jul 30 2022, 07:43 AM)
I recently bought a Revo Red visor from Shopee for my HJC C70 , The fittings not as perfect as the original and there's wind noises coming from the gaps when fully closed , and some lens distortion (slight lens flaring). Overall still okie , might need to add some thin noise insulation tapes to overcome the issues.

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I haven't seen the real think yet, the C70 helmet (not my grandpa's C70).

Reading from specs sheet there is no mention of speaker pocket to install bluetooth,
but I see you have bluetooth installed.

How tight fit is it to slot the speaker in?
Mine is 40mm speaker.


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post Jul 30 2022, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Jul 29 2022, 07:56 PM)
I fully understood the sizing part.

Crown size fit tightly, but the cheek pads are overly tight to a point my wisdom tooth on both sides felt like gonna be squeezed out of the gum after putting on for 10mins in the showroom.

Was thinking about changing to XXL cheek pad, but I needed to test the XXL helmet first and see if it's loose around the crown or fitting.

Will be visiting another shop tomorrow to check out their XXL CS-15.

No intention to splurge yet 'cos I am waiting for GT Air 2 stock to come in for the color I want. I am just not too sure if I really want a full face in the long run, hence testing out with budget one to start with. CS-15 looks right from budget and build perspective to be experimenting.
Appreciate your kind input.
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If the crown fits well, then you can get a size up for the cheek pad. At worst, you still have the ori cheek pads.

HJC publishes in detail all Thier sizing and padding sizes so you can confirm if it's just the cheek pads are different moving from size to size.

Some other helmets may actually have different EPS layer and others simply just don't test the larger helmets for 2XL and above. Generally most people will fit M or L.

Also if you have a round head, you might need to look for a helmet that is round and not an intermediate oval (narrower on the sides) like most HJC helmets.
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post Jul 30 2022, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(007SMH @ Jul 30 2022, 07:43 AM)
I recently bought a Revo Red visor from Shopee for my HJC C70 , The fittings not as perfect as the original and there's wind noises coming from the gaps when fully closed , and some lens distortion (slight lens flaring). Overall still okie , might need to add some thin noise insulation tapes to overcome the issues.

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This looks like the clear Revo red. I have as well, too much internal reflection to the point of unusabke at night.

The dark tinted Revo red is ok though.
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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Jul 30 2022, 09:28 AM)
I haven't seen the real think yet, the C70 helmet (not my grandpa's C70).

Reading from specs sheet there is no mention of speaker pocket to install bluetooth,
but I see you have bluetooth installed.

How tight fit is it to slot the speaker in?
Mine is 40mm speaker.
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I'm using Cardo Spirit using 32mm speakers , yes there's no dedicated space for bluetooth system but still quite comfortable. i guess 40mm shouldn't be a problem.
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QUOTE(007SMH @ Jul 30 2022, 07:43 AM)
I recently bought a Revo Red visor from Shopee for my HJC C70 , The fittings not as perfect as the original and there's wind noises coming from the gaps when fully closed , and some lens distortion (slight lens flaring). Overall still okie , might need to add some thin noise insulation tapes to overcome the issues.

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ooo thanks for the feedback

mind sharing which shop biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(persona93 @ Jul 30 2022, 11:30 AM)
ooo thanks for the feedback

mind sharing which shop  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jul 30 2022, 10:49 AM)
This looks like the clear Revo red. I have as well, too much internal reflection to the point of unusabke at night.

The dark tinted Revo red is ok though.
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Yes clear revo red , test it out since its just Rm37. I did a night ride only today will find out how it fare during daytime riding
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post Jul 30 2022, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jul 30 2022, 10:44 AM)
If the crown fits well, then you can get a size up for the cheek pad. At worst, you still have the ori cheek pads.

HJC publishes in detail all Thier sizing and padding sizes so you can confirm if it's just the cheek pads are different moving from size to size.

Some other helmets may actually have different EPS layer and others simply just don't test the larger helmets for 2XL and above. Generally most people will fit M or L.

Also if you have a round head, you might need to look for a helmet that is round and not an intermediate oval (narrower on the sides) like most HJC helmets.
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Thanks dude for the great input.

As a bike noob myself despite my unker age group, I had spend a lot of time trying out helmets, wasted some money on some but I called it education fees.

Biggest issue is my glasses, other than my big head.

Most helmet that fits me properly, I am unable to insert my glasses.

So ended up paying for one open face Shoei that fits really well and able to let me insert my glasses.

Since then I had “upgraded” my glasses, this time around it seems like I hit the jackpot with the frame, I am able to insert into many helmets.

Going to check out XXL HKC later
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post Jul 30 2022, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Jul 30 2022, 02:07 PM)
Thanks dude for the great input.

As a bike noob myself despite my unker age group, I had spend a lot of time trying out helmets, wasted some money on some but I called it education fees.

Biggest issue is my glasses, other than my big head.

Most helmet that fits me properly, I am unable to insert my glasses.

So ended up paying for one open face Shoei that fits really well and able to let me insert my glasses.

Since then I had “upgraded” my glasses, this time around it seems like I hit the jackpot with the frame, I am able to insert into many helmets.

Going to check out XXL HKC later
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Look for helmets with dedicated eyeglass channels...although you might have to shop at the premium end of the scale. Good luck.

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