I have 1 ex colleague that lied about his salary.
He worked for 4 months and then resign.

But he tempered the payslip and extend until 1 year working.
So far he's not caught or get fired of doing this, and yeah, he's working in a small company.

Will you go around 'shouting' that you tempered with your payslip when you applied for a job?

In lowyat forum, yes, because we are all masked.

You know the HR will call your current company's HR to confirm, right?

That is why requiring payslip may not be a meaningful requirement.

Someone with a high payslip, you may not want to pay that much because the job does not require those skills.

Someone with a low payslip, you should go by the requirements for the job and the appropriate market rates - not what he was paid previously.

It has to start from there to gauge where to fit him.

And my point is this - it is not a meaningful or useful guage.

The quage should be what the person is doing and what the market rates are paying.

What the person got in the previous payslip has no relevance to how he should be paid --- which is market rates. Because the previous company could be under-paying.

The common problem is when someone resigns and the company attempts to match the new offer. That's a lousy way of doing things.

Tampered, not tempered.

Yes we caught these characters too when we did background check extending to 7 years back.

Fake salary, fake position, fake achievements, fake degree.

We found candidates who got convicted in court, went to prison but didn't declare.

It's quite easy to check.

Tamper, not temper.

HR company will call current company to release your salary info? Then the current HR is very prone to pdpa and poor HR etiquette.

If a phone call is all they need to reveal your salary why the hassle of asking u to provide your pay slip? It is their standard procedure to ask the candidate what’s their current salary and expected salary during the interview anyway. Also there is always the need to provide reference related to current work of which some may used to gauge your performance in the past but not your past salary. Don’t forget all the payslips are stamped with “strictly P&C” of which only the candidates have the right to reveal what’s on the payslip.

Each and every HR have their own different cost and target system in place. Pretty sure none would want to reveal what they offered and how they offered a candidate to other companies. Which is why they would start with lowballing each and every candidate they encountered. Isn’t it ironic if a phone call is what it takes to find out what’s your past salary, why in the world do they still need to lowball in the very 1st place?

So yea, as a candidate each have their very right to demand what’s their worth and select the right company to work with. Just walk away if u aren’t happy with what’s being offered.

This post has been edited by kirakun: Nov 10 2019, 05:47 PM

small company the hr maybe not bother to confirm with prev company hr. but big companies usually will call previous hr to confirm salary.

If asking salary of applicant is within budgeted amount, I think HR will not be too concern with verifying.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Nov 13 2019, 12:16 AM

In most cases it's not easily found.

If you join bigger companies and regulated industries like banks and financially institutions, you will find that HR is mandated either by global/regional policies or regulatory requirements to screen and verify each candidates.

If you are found out you will either be:
1. Blacklisted by Group HR and from my experience, large cap companies' HRs all mingle with each other and they regularly share information so as to maintain certain standards in the industry (its inevitable that people in one banks moves to another), and this is likewise for professional firms like your Big 4. So its tough to even break it to any firms of the industry.
2. You may be reported for fraud and legal actions will be taken especially if they found out after you sign papers (these contracts that you sign on your first day covers these companies and gives them rights to do many things to you especially when you lie)

Not only will you be blacklisted and face difficulties in joining any of these firms, you will also face monetary, reputational, legal and time impact, further decreasing your chances in the future, all because of resume embellishments.

You may get away with smaller companies but for your sake I hope you rethink this in the future, especially when companies has the capability to verify your accomplishments and past working experiences.

One of my friend, a smart lad was someone who believes that he deserves better as he is capable and was not given the opportunity. So he decided to tamper his resume and gave several boosts in working experiences and even get his friends to pretend as HR contacts and references in a small company. After his assessment centre, the bank's HR came to him and wanna get him to verify some differences and gaps in his story and the fake HR story. So to retain the lies, he created more lies. At the end, HR told him which he also shared with me: "We would have offered the job to you, you tick most of the boxes and it was such a shame that you decided to lie on your resume and integrity to us is non-negotiable. You also do realise that we regularly meet fellow HRs from other banks right?"

The poor guy has the substance but a poor decision shaped his entire future and he can't get any jobs from any banks (foreign, local or otherwise). He's now freelancing and make do on odd jobs with varying pay on some freelancing platforms.

This post has been edited by UrbanGraduate: Nov 13 2019, 08:36 AM

Hemm thats a hard lessons learnt , and the word mingle is just so normal these days .

As the saying goes ,

"You can lie to one person at one time but you cannot lie to everyone every time" .

Just curious what sort of suspicions you had that triggers you to validate the payslip, since the candidate successfully bypass you with it in the first place.

Yes, UrbanGraduate says it all.

To those who still want to embellish their resumes and make false declarations and material omissions, think again.

Double

This post has been edited by ipohmali70: Nov 13 2019, 11:29 AM

Many things can set off suspicions.

Sometimes it's just a hunch.

That was many many years ago before we mandated verification of salaries and other facts/ claims.

Since then we've caught many who embellished their resumes.

I dare say 60 to 70% of the candidates we interviewed done that.

All the letters or emails of rejection we cc to Labour Dept and Board of Engineers (for engineering applicants) and previous employer just for record keeping.

..... And also just in case the former employee brings us to court.

Which some did threaten but never had the balls to carry it out.