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post Nov 13 2019, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(UrbanGraduate @ Nov 13 2019, 08:35 AM)
If you join bigger companies and regulated industries like banks and financially institutions, you will find that HR is mandated either by global/regional policies or regulatory requirements to screen and verify each candidates.

If you are found out you will either be:
1. Blacklisted by Group HR and from my experience, large cap companies' HRs all mingle with each other and they regularly share information so as to maintain certain standards in the industry (its inevitable that people in one banks moves to another), and this is likewise for professional firms like your Big 4. So its tough to even break it to any firms of the industry.
2. You may be reported for fraud and legal actions will be taken especially if they found out after you sign papers (these contracts that you sign on your first day covers these companies and gives them rights to do many things to you especially when you lie)

Not only will you be blacklisted and face difficulties in joining any of these firms, you will also face monetary, reputational, legal and time impact, further decreasing your chances in the future, all because of resume embellishments.

You may get away with smaller companies but for your sake I hope you rethink this in the future, especially when companies has the capability to verify your accomplishments and past working experiences.

One of my friend, a smart lad was someone who believes that he deserves better as he is capable and was not given the opportunity. So he decided to tamper his resume and gave several boosts in working experiences and even get his friends to pretend as HR contacts and references in a small company. After his assessment centre, the bank's HR came to him and wanna get him to verify some differences and gaps in his story and the fake HR story. So to retain the lies, he created more lies. At the end, HR told him which he also shared with me: "We would have offered the job to you, you tick most of the boxes and it was such a shame that you decided to lie on your resume and integrity to us is non-negotiable. You also do realise that we regularly meet fellow HRs from other banks right?"

The poor guy has the substance but a poor decision shaped his entire future and he can't get any jobs from any banks (foreign, local or otherwise). He's now freelancing and make do on odd jobs with varying pay on some freelancing platforms.
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LOL at the bolded part. Tell that to those who hold high position.
The world is just unfair by the way..
kirakun
post Nov 13 2019, 03:22 PM

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Just an advice, don’t be naive. The more naive u are the happier and the more money the employer is and making(by lowballing). What u are worth are based on your qualification, skills learned, trainings attended, experience and knowledge not based your past salary or so called ‘market value’ as claimed by HR.

Half truth is as good as any truth if it works. That’s the reality and also always take what the HR/employer’s words with a pinch of salt(as if they are being truthful all along). Speaking of integrity somemore lol.


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post Nov 13 2019, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(UrbanGraduate @ Nov 13 2019, 08:35 AM)
If you join bigger companies and regulated industries like banks and financially institutions, you will find that HR is mandated either by global/regional policies or regulatory requirements to screen and verify each candidates.

If you are found out you will either be:
1. Blacklisted by Group HR and from my experience, large cap companies' HRs all mingle with each other and they regularly share information so as to maintain certain standards in the industry (its inevitable that people in one banks moves to another), and this is likewise for professional firms like your Big 4. So its tough to even break it to any firms of the industry.
2. You may be reported for fraud and legal actions will be taken especially if they found out after you sign papers (these contracts that you sign on your first day covers these companies and gives them rights to do many things to you especially when you lie)

Not only will you be blacklisted and face difficulties in joining any of these firms, you will also face monetary, reputational, legal and time impact, further decreasing your chances in the future, all because of resume embellishments.

You may get away with smaller companies but for your sake I hope you rethink this in the future, especially when companies has the capability to verify your accomplishments and past working experiences.

One of my friend, a smart lad was someone who believes that he deserves better as he is capable and was not given the opportunity. So he decided to tamper his resume and gave several boosts in working experiences and even get his friends to pretend as HR contacts and references in a small company. After his assessment centre, the bank's HR came to him and wanna get him to verify some differences and gaps in his story and the fake HR story. So to retain the lies, he created more lies. At the end, HR told him which he also shared with me: "We would have offered the job to you, you tick most of the boxes and it was such a shame that you decided to lie on your resume and integrity to us is non-negotiable. You also do realise that we regularly meet fellow HRs from other banks right?"

The poor guy has the substance but a poor decision shaped his entire future and he can't get any jobs from any banks (foreign, local or otherwise). He's now freelancing and make do on odd jobs with varying pay on some freelancing platforms.
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I had one applicant who put his colleague as his referee.

Straightaway that was a red flag.

No sane self respecting job applicant would put a colleague as referee.

You must put your peer, for example, your dept manager and HR manager as referee.

Your colleague just doesn't cut it.

And that includes your parents and relatives.





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post Nov 13 2019, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(kirakun @ Nov 13 2019, 03:22 PM)
Just an advice, don’t be naive. The more naive u are the happier and the more money the employer is and making(by lowballing). What u are worth are based on your qualification, skills learned, trainings attended, experience and knowledge not based your past salary or so called ‘market value’ as claimed by HR.

Half truth is as good as any truth if it works. That’s the reality and also always take what the HR/employer’s words with a pinch of salt(as if they are being truthful all along). Speaking of integrity somemore lol.
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post Nov 13 2019, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(ipohmali70 @ Nov 13 2019, 04:50 PM)

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Been working for more than 15 years, multiple companies including international ones, not once i provided pay slip of past so whistling.gif . Oh maybe i'm just the extremely lucky ones again whistling.gif and laugh.gif .
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post Nov 13 2019, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(kirakun @ Nov 13 2019, 03:22 PM)
Just an advice, don’t be naive. The more naive u are the happier and the more money the employer is and making(by lowballing). What u are worth are based on your qualification, skills learned, trainings attended, experience and knowledge not based your past salary or so called ‘market value’ as claimed by HR.

Half truth is as good as any truth if it works. That’s the reality and also always take what the HR/employer’s words with a pinch of salt(as if they are being truthful all along). Speaking of integrity somemore lol.
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bro we are just kacang putih only, peanuts in the grand scheme of things. The moment we see ourselves as bigger than everything else is the day we will kena, and it won't be pretty no matter how right you think you are.

Im not saying you should take HR words as the whole truth, but just as you are expecting and investigating whether i kena lowball or not, the same to them. If you see a lying HR why even consider that company? Tak boleh harap pun.

Im talking about the principles we hold, because if we become someone else through lies, we will eventually be found out. Not only its kewajipan agama but it reflects whether we are at peace and accept who we are and therefore use that opportunity to change for the better.

Its not worth it to claim half truth, the damage is not worth the risk. You are basing an assumption that they won't check and you will get away. But the probability of things go wrong in your pursuit of half truth is just enormous, why bother with risks like this? Making things worse, even if you get away now, you will always be at risk. Do you wanna live that life?
ipohmali70
post Nov 13 2019, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(kirakun @ Nov 13 2019, 04:56 PM)
Been working for more than 15 years, multiple companies including international ones, not once i provided pay slip of past so whistling.gif . Oh maybe i'm just the extremely lucky ones again whistling.gif  and  laugh.gif .
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Yes, consider you're lucky.

Me, I've been employed with salary for total of 12 years, also not once I was asked for payslip of previous company.

Maybe that's because I declared everything truthfully and my employer has nothing much to suspect.

But these days, 60 to 70% of the applications I receive I sure suspect have something wrong.

Last few years was the worst.








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post Nov 13 2019, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(UrbanGraduate @ Nov 13 2019, 05:00 PM)
bro we are just kacang putih only, peanuts in the grand scheme of things. The moment we see ourselves as bigger than everything else is the day we will kena, and it won't be pretty no matter how right you think you are.

Im not saying you should take HR words as the whole truth, but just as you are expecting and investigating whether i kena lowball or not, the same to them. If you see a lying HR why even consider that company? Tak boleh harap pun.

Im talking about the principles we hold, because if we become someone else through lies, we will eventually be found out. Not only its kewajipan agama but it reflects whether we are at peace and accept who we are and therefore use that opportunity to change for the better.

Its not worth it to claim half truth, the damage is not worth the risk. You are basing an assumption that they won't check and you will get away. But the probability of things go wrong in your pursuit of half truth is just enormous, why bother with risks like this? Making things worse, even if you get away now, you will always be at risk. Do you wanna live that life?
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I'm just an average joe here trying to make a living but i do learn to get even with companies especially the HR. That's how i live my life, doing not too shabby i'll say.

And i believe many others employees like me need to be aware of such reality so they too will be better equipped when dealing with companies especially the HRs. No offence made and just my 2 cents.

The key is don't be naive that's all. Integrity and half truth? Those are in an open book to me and to others as well i believe.

Oh please you are most welcomed to live your life the way u wanted/intended to but keep it to yourself ya.

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