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bayoudo P
post Dec 6 2019, 10:11 PM

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Sorry for the late reply and thank you for fast reply. I had to google how to use the quote function.

QUOTE(lukemanz @ Dec 6 2019, 09:46 PM)
Better for you to create aduan SKMM: https://aduan.skmm.gov.my/

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I'm not sure how efficient they would be...

QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Dec 6 2019, 09:51 PM)
Before that, what is the transmitter you were using for receiving analogue TV?  You may be receive digital terrestrial signals if you were able to get TV3 analogue in the past. If there was only 2 channel (TV1/TV2) no chance unless in Lahad Datu and Kudat. Based on the coverage map and DTH coverage prediction, you can only get satellite TV as the only form of TV reception, which can mean up to 9 set top boxes and 9 satellite dishes in your case.
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We only had TV1 and TV2 in the past. Can I buy other satellite dishes or much it be from MyTv? I have been asking the MyTv vendors but none of them sells the satellite dishes. It's not possible to setup 9 top boxes and splitter to 1 dish? Sorry if I'm not using the term right.
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post Dec 6 2019, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(bayoudo @ Dec 6 2019, 09:39 PM)
Dear Sifus,
I need guidance. I read most of the post and yet I still don't understand much. Sorry for the really noob question but I'm really unfamiliar with this kinda of stuff.
We have a Bed and Breakfast of 9 rooms located in a very kampung area in Kundasang, Sabah. No streamyx, no unifi. Each room has a tv.
We recently spoke to a local electrician and he told us that we need to get satellite dishes to view FreeView because we are located in the hills.
I called the myfreeview's 1800 number alot of times but was told to email them. It's been a month and I still haven't received a reply from them.
Since we have 9 TVs, does it mean I need to get 1 decoder and 1 satellite dish or do I need to get 9 decoders and 9 dishes....? Where can I get MyTv satellite dishes? Does it have to MyTv, or other brands would work too? I tried searching MyTv dishes on Shopee, but there was none. Mostly other random brands.
I'm really at lost what to do as the holiday season is around the corner...
Thank you in advance and sorry if my post was confusing.
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I read most of the post and yet I still don't understand much.
That's..... kinda heartbreaking. 😢 Never mind.

For your case, you may consider centralised satellite dish, so that multiple MYTV boxes can be connected from the same one satellite dish installed on rooftop by using a cable splitter or multiswitch or something similar.

Alternatively, the option of having 9 different MYTV Hybrid combo boxes (that supports satellite + terrestrial) across 9 different TV sets is possible though.

It's better that you get an installer that can directly sell and set up the MYTV hybrid boxes for you, rather than waiting for MYTV's answer.
Anyhow, because this is kinda "high level" and there are various methods of centralised TV systems, it's better discuss with a technician/installer near you that has the expertise to advise a suitable/better centralised antenna system that suits your premise and budget.

Or else, 9 individual satellite dishes installed on premise then connected to 9 individual MYTV boxes that connects to 9 individual TV sets across 9 different rooms.
Sounds kinda messy, eh? I'm not sure the budget wise is cheaper than centralise or not. Maybe cheaper, not sure....
But this is a straightforward method, especially if that 9 rooms are located very far apart from each other, instead of all in the same building block premise.

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And yea, unfortunately, it is confirmed that Kundasang is under DTH coverage.
In layman terms, DTH (direct-to-home) means satellite TV.
And it's very likely that you're able to receive digital TV signals by using UHF antenna.

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As for Internet access, does your area has 3G or 4G mobile cellular coverage? Which telco has it, and how's the network performance there?
If there's no mobile coverage, no fixed internet (fibre or copper) like Unifi or Streamyx, then the only option for you is go for Connectme, a satellite broadband provider.
https://connectme.my/
Because it uses satellite, so it has 100% nationwide coverage no matter where you are in Malaysia, even in deep jungle or in the middle of nowhere.
25Mbps download, 1Mbps upload, 530ms ping (so definitely not suitable for real time online gaming).

Price? RM98/month for 60GB, or RM138/month for unlimited quota. Both has the same 25Mbps speed as mentioned above.
Contract? 24 months.

Hope my info helps... biggrin.gif
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post Dec 6 2019, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Dec 6 2019, 06:12 PM)

Didn't expect that frequency retune exercise would carried out that soon.  blink.gif 
Looks that they want to start testing or using 700MHz from Jan 2020 onwards in and nearby Klang Valley areas,
and of course none other than Langkawi, the best place to do 5G testing and many other reasons. brows.gif
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Langkawi will be pressure from Thailand to get off 700 MHz.
A pity that KL MUX1 is still to be on 666 MHz, filtering off 700 MHz 5G is not practical so close in frequency
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post Dec 6 2019, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Dec 6 2019, 09:39 PM)
Seems like for this time, it will affect another analogue channel (RCTI instead of Indosiar) in the south which its power has been reduced. I think MYTV has to negotiate with Indonesian authorities (KOMINFO, RCTI) to redesign the analogue transmitting panels for RCTI before doing any changes in Johor Bahru, which I think will be the last to move, to avoid potential interference with Indonesian analogue TV, which is a issue here for DTT reception, and there is no more analogue fallback for Malaysian TV. Imagine the complaints for the loss of RTM TV reception in numerous areas, which has already happened in the past. The usage of 470-610 MHz would be impossible in some areas, like in the south without reserving any frequencies in the future.
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Relevant Batam authorities already been doing that for quite some time already, according to their Facebook page.

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Cross Check Pengukuran kembali FS Kanal 47 dan 49 di 3 titik garis pantai Batam pasca penurunan power dan reposisi 16 panel sebagai tindak lanjut hasil rapat "Pembahasan Spillover Interferensi TV analog Batam ke MUX TV Digital Malaysia".

Hasil pengukuran ini merupakan salah satu materi yang akan dibahas dalam agenda "17th Meeting of Joint Committee on Communications (JCC-17) between The Republic of Indonesia and Malaysia" yang rencananya akan dilaksanakan di Jogjakarta 10 s.d 12 September 2019.

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I wonder, how they would "redesign" the analogue transmitting panels? Reposition the panels and lowering transmit power, then yea... But "redesign"? confused.gif

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Oh, the 474-610MHz that I refer to, is for the rest of Malaysia except nearby border areas from neighbouring countries like Johor Bahru.
For JB area, then I think they can consider 474-514MHz instead, which are UHF 22 482MHz, UHF 24 498MHz and UHF 26 514MHz.
Just nice for 3 muxes, and the UHF ch no is in even number, which what Malaysia being allocated to within that frequency range.

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The usage of 470-610 MHz would be impossible in some areas
Why? Besides near neighbouring country's border areas, what could be the reason that MYTV and/or MCMC don't consider allocate the second mux in that <610MHz range instead, since DTT coverage can be improved?

In my opinion, since they're about to carry out the frequency restack/retune exercise on Mux 2, they shall take this opportunity to start using <610MHz frequencies on all Mux 2 first instead.
Out of all 44 transmitters out there, only 8 transmitters is planned to move to 562MHz (32) and 578MHz (34) for mux 2,
the rest are all move to 642MHz (42), 658MHz (44), and especially 650MHz (43) hmm.gif

QUOTE(dayojah @ Dec 6 2019, 11:02 PM)
Langkawi will be pressure from Thailand to get off 700 MHz.
A pity that KL MUX1 is still to be on 666 MHz, filtering off 700 MHz 5G is not practical so close in frequency
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You mean even on 666MHz is potentially still able to get interference from 700MHz 4G/5G?
Then which exact frequency range onwards should be practical or adequate enough to prevent potential interference from 700MHz 4G/5G?
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post Dec 7 2019, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Dec 6 2019, 10:55 PM)

That's..... kinda heartbreaking.  😢 Never mind. 

For your case, you may consider centralised satellite dish, so that multiple MYTV boxes can be connected from the same one satellite dish installed on rooftop by using a cable splitter or multiswitch or something similar. 

Alternatively, the option of having 9 different MYTV Hybrid combo boxes (that supports satellite + terrestrial) across 9 different TV sets is possible though. 

It's better that you get an installer that can directly sell and set up the MYTV hybrid boxes for you, rather than waiting for MYTV's answer. 
Anyhow, because this is kinda "high level" and there are various methods of centralised TV systems, it's better discuss with a technician/installer near you that has the expertise to advise a suitable/better centralised antenna system that suits your premise and budget. 

Or else, 9 individual satellite dishes installed on premise then connected to 9 individual MYTV boxes that connects to 9 individual TV sets across 9 different rooms. 
Sounds kinda messy, eh? I'm not sure the budget wise is cheaper than centralise or not. Maybe cheaper, not sure....
But this is a straightforward method, especially if that 9 rooms are located very far apart from each other, instead of all in the same building block premise. 

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And yea, unfortunately, it is confirmed that Kundasang is under DTH coverage. 
In layman terms, DTH (direct-to-home) means satellite TV.
And it's very likely that you're able to receive digital TV signals by using UHF antenna. 

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As for Internet access, does your area has 3G or 4G mobile cellular coverage? Which telco has it, and how's the network performance there? 
If there's no mobile coverage, no fixed internet (fibre or copper) like Unifi or Streamyx, then the only option for you is go for Connectme, a satellite broadband provider.
https://connectme.my/
Because it uses satellite, so it has 100% nationwide coverage no matter where you are in Malaysia, even in deep jungle or in the middle of nowhere.
25Mbps download, 1Mbps upload, 530ms ping (so definitely not suitable for real time online gaming). 

Price? RM98/month for 60GB, or RM138/month for unlimited quota. Both has the same 25Mbps speed as mentioned above. 
Contract? 24 months. 

Hope my info helps...  biggrin.gif
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I'm sorry for the heartbreak... I read but I got really confused. Some words very alien to me sweat.gif
Thank you so much for your assistance! I did ask local vendors to introduce some installers to me but only one was willing to intro. Even that installer said that he's unfamiliar with Kundasang and it's impossible to buy the MyTv satellite dish. Most of the kampung houses here got their setup from BRIM, so that's impossible for us. Thus why I was wondering if brandless(?) or any other random satellite dish would also work. The electrician I consulted told me he tried setting up his own MyTv box with a UHF antenna but it didn't work as well.
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We recently signed up with Celcom's Home Wireless. Network performance is choppy at times. Will definitely look into Connectme if we need a further upgrade.

Once again, thank you so much for your help! notworthy.gif
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post Dec 7 2019, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(bayoudo @ Dec 7 2019, 12:07 AM)
I'm sorry for the heartbreak... I read but I got really confused. Some words very alien to me  sweat.gif
Thank you so much for your assistance! I did ask local vendors to introduce some installers to me but only one was willing to intro. Even that installer said that he's unfamiliar with Kundasang and it's impossible to buy the MyTv satellite dish. Most of the kampung houses here got their setup from BRIM, so that's impossible for us. Thus why I was wondering if brandless(?) or any other random satellite dish would also work. The electrician I consulted told me he tried setting up his own MyTv box with a UHF antenna but it didn't work as well.
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We recently signed up with Celcom's Home Wireless. Network performance is choppy at times. Will definitely look into Connectme if we need a further upgrade.
Once again, thank you so much for your help!  notworthy.gif
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That heartbreak part, I'm kidding la biggrin.gif

The satellite version of MYTV myFreeview broadcast, can only be viewed by using MYTV hybrid box. Brand-less, or third party ones, cannot.
Unless if digital terrestrial TV (Short form: DTT), then those brand-less would work as long it supports the DVB-T2 standard.

Box = set-top-box, or known as receiver (wrong name that people familiar with, is called "decoder").

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Even that installer said that he's unfamiliar with Kundasang and it's impossible to buy the MyTv satellite dish.
For now, yes, you can't buy it directly that easy yet. But there are sellers out there, they got the MYTV hybrid box previously and it has been activated, and willing to sell to those who interested. But for your case, like installing in commercial places with complicated installation, then I'm not so sure....

If worst come to worst, then Njoi may be your option...

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Go to https://fast.com/ or https://www.speedtest.net/ and see how many Mbps speed you can get from your Celcom Home Wireless at your place.
If the download speed is way less than 25Mbps, then maybe you can consider Connectme once your contract ends...
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post Dec 7 2019, 01:01 AM

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joshhd I understand that some antenna adjustments has been done, on Channel 47 and 49 in the past by Kominfo. The transmissions that will cause interference is Channel 43/647mhz which will definitely need some adjustments/transmitter pattern redesign soon in Indonesian side for this frequency.

Although there are benefits of lower band giving better coverage when the DTT signals move to <600mhz, Existing transmitting antennas will have to be modified, significantly if the signal is going to move from around 690mhz to 550mhz. There is a reason why most transmitters move their DTT MUX 2 transmissions to Channel 43 and not lower bands. Those transmitters who move to Channel 32 fir MUX 2have existing transmission on Channel 30. MYTV is not going to spend that money, considering most DTT transmitting antenna panels are only 2-4 years old and their unwillingness to expand DTT coverage to some capital cities/Federal territory namely Seremban, Labuan and Kangar and rural areas, instead using DTH for these areas.

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post Dec 7 2019, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Dec 7 2019, 01:01 AM)
joshhd I understand that some antenna adjustments has been done, on Channel 47 and 49 in the past by Kominfo. The transmissions that will cause interference is Channel 43, which will definitely need some adjustments/transmitter pattern redesign soon. Although there are benefits of lower band giving better coverage when the DTT signals move to <600mhz, Existing transmitting antennas will have to be modified, significantly if the signal is going to move from around 690mhz to 550mhz. MYTV is not going to spend that money, considering most DTT transmitting antenna panels are only 2-4 years old.
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Oh yea... That means after they did the optimisation on CH 47 and 49, soon they got to work on CH 43... That sounds like a double job, isn't it?
Would MYTV/MCMC last minute change their mind oh?

You mean modifying the hardware of the antenna panels itself to be able to transmit <600MHz frequencies?
Modify in what way, and how can they do it? After modify the same panel, can install back the same panel onto the transmitter?
Or they have to replace to brand new panels, or how? And why is it so expensive to modify?

Seems like it's not just change some "frequency settings" on the software, then settle?
Mmm, I'm not knowledgeable about those... Hope you can explain more about it. biggrin.gif

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The individual panels are wideband, but the panel vertical spacing may need adjustment for lower frequencies.
Genting is considered a border transmitter as it easily reaches the coast of Sumatra, due to the extreme height
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QUOTE(joshhd @ Dec 6 2019, 09:08 PM)
These are the DTT frequencies after frequency restacking is being carried out for Mux 1 and Mux 2.
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Source (as of 6 Dec 2019): https://www.mytvbroadcasting.my/pdf/Lists-of-frequency.pdf
Original PDF for archive purposes: [attachmentid=10370434]

In conclusion, the total frequency range they'll use after frequency restack is between 546MHz to 682MHz.
682MHz (678-686MHz), just right enough to prevent interference from upcoming 700MHz 4G/5G band.

Although I do hope that they would use 470-610MHz frequency range for DTT instead...

So far MYTV only announce there'll be 5 transmitters to complete the frequency retune exercise by end of this year.
The rest are still haven't announce...
That could mean the one that they just uploaded to their website, is still subject to change then?  hmm.gif
Will see how...  biggrin.gif
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Is the changes live now? Don’t see any changes for ipoh when compared to the original pdf file to the new one

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post Dec 7 2019, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(dayojah @ Dec 7 2019, 09:39 AM)
The individual panels are wideband, but the panel vertical spacing may need adjustment for lower frequencies.
Genting is considered a border transmitter as it easily reaches the coast of Sumatra, due to the extreme height
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Oh, so basically can use back the same panels, but need to get someone to adjust the vertical spacing of the transmitting panels are expensive for MYTV?

Despite that the signal able to reach all the way to Sumatra coastal areas from the Genting transmitter, should that be a concern to both countries? It shouldn't be causing interference as long they transmit their DTT channels on different frequency, isn't it? Of course if so happen if they use the same UHF frequency as Gn Ulu Kali (Genting), then either Indonesia or Malaysia is creating trouble to each other. How come such allocation didn't plan ahead?
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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Dec 7 2019, 09:42 AM)
Is the changes live now? Don’t see any changes for ipoh when compared to the original pdf file to the new one
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No.... That list is for future reference on how the frequency they plan to use after the frequency retune exercise is completed.

So far, only the 5 transmitter mentioned on their fb post, will carry out the frequency retune, with more coming in the future. So do keep an eye on MYTV Broadcasting fb page too.
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Shall I feel happier or sad?
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Atas sebab-sebab yang tidak dapat dielakkan, kerja-kerja menaiktaraf siaran digital DTT telah ditunda ke satu tarikh yang akan diumumkan kelak.

Kami memohon maaf di atas segala kesulitan yang dialami.

Untuk sebarang pertanyaan, sila hubungi Pusat Khidmat Pelanggan di talian 1800-18-1088
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We apologise for any inconvenience caused.

For further enquiries, please contact the Customer Service Centre at 1800-18-1088
I wonder what's the reason behind this postponement... But if I would guess, maybe, they changed their mind because of... :
- Although 650MHz is "away" from 700MHz's guard band for 4G/5G use, but for some reasons, they find that it's not "the right one"?
- Want to move both Mux 1 and Mux 2 at once, instead of Mux 2 only (as mentioned in the earlier announcement)?
- Plan to migrate to frequency within 474-610MHz nationwide (as long it doesn't clash with neighbouring country's TV frequencies), or around 474-514MHz for Johor Bahru area due to near Singapore and Indonesia?
- They rather "throw in more money" to do some adjustments on their transmitter panels now, to make it able to transmit <610MHz frequencies on their DTT, instead of plan another nationwide frequency retune exercise in the future?
- Certain customer complains that those buildings that uses centralised antenna (MATV) systems requires complicated frequency retuning?

I might be wrong... It's just my guess. What you guys think? hmm.gif
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Here are the latest TV reception check in around Johor Bahru, Singapore and Batam (Indonesia).

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PDF available here: Attached File  2019_12_10_Freq_Interferences_at_JB__SG__ID.pdf ( 255.97k ) Number of downloads: 68


Note:
- Frequencies with "xxx.25MHz", indicates it is an analogue TV frequency. Digital TV frequencies does not have that "xxx.25MHz".
- 546MHz is also Malaysia's DTT frequency for Gunung Ledang transmitter that covers Northern Johor area.
- Highlighted in grey (698MHz onwards), means these frequencies must go one day (means, vacant), to make way for 700MHz 4G/5G.

Other than CH22, CH24 and CH26, I don't see any other frequencies that can avoid any interference in between both Malaysia and Indonesia TV channels,
not until Indonesia switches off all analogue TV channels, at least in around Batam area first. Or else, the current on-going interference will be as it is.

Btw, I also not sure how come tvOne and Metro TV has "mysteriously" went no signal for few months already, as if those have been switched off permanently.
Well, it's going to be switched off someday anyway. whistling.gif
But whether would MCMC and Kominfo would allocate and utilise those frequency for digital TV someday, we'll just have to wait and see...

...while the signal interference from SCTV and Indosiar is still on-going even till today, affecting both countries.

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Singapore will have to give up or share some of the ch26-38 in exchange for being able to use ch50+ for 5G, only fair
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QUOTE(dayojah @ Dec 10 2019, 09:13 PM)
Singapore will have to give up or share some of the ch26-38 in exchange for being able to use ch50+ for 5G, only fair
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But to whether Singapore wanna give up or not, that's another matter...
Cuz MYTV gonna use up to 3 muxes for now. Now even with 2 mux still got some remaining unutilised bandwidth.
It's unlikely to see existing or new broadcasters/content providers would offer new, and TV channels onto their platform that are able to sustain for long...
That's my forecast la... Cuz not many Malaysians today are watching TV on regular basis anymore, unlike 10+ years ago... All online dy..
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QUOTE(joshhd @ Dec 10 2019, 10:16 PM)
But to whether Singapore wanna give up or not, that's another matter...
Cuz MYTV gonna use up to 3 muxes for now. Now even with 2 mux still got some remaining unutilised bandwidth.
It's unlikely to see existing or new broadcasters/content providers would offer new, and TV channels onto their platform that are able to sustain for long...
That's my forecast la... Cuz not many Malaysians today are watching TV on regular basis anymore, unlike 10+ years ago... All online dy..
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true. ppl just don seat around with the family watching tv. if they wan to do occasionally, they can just download (oops) movies & watch them together. & those who really wan to watch tv, they will go the astro way for movies & live sports anyway. having said that its good to have clear reception tv at our kampung houses when we go back hometown occasionally, especially when tel network reception is rather poor smile.gif
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Hi, guys. I just got a new TV with dvb-t2 built in but when I search with the tv, no channel was found. Any particular reason for this?

How to check the coverage? Puchong is it covered?
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QUOTE(wolf1991 @ Dec 11 2019, 07:45 PM)
Hi, guys. I just got a new TV with dvb-t2 built in but when I search with the tv, no channel was found. Any particular reason for this?

How to check the coverage? Puchong is it covered?
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Puchong is within digital TV coverage.
What antenna and cable are you using?
Landed house or high rise?
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QUOTE(joshhd @ Dec 10 2019, 10:16 PM)
Cuz MYTV gonna use up to 3 muxes for now. Now even with 2 mux still got some remaining unutilised bandwidth.
It's unlikely to see existing or new broadcasters/content providers would offer new, and TV channels onto their platform that are able to sustain for long...
That's my forecast la... Cuz not many Malaysians today are watching TV on regular basis anymore, unlike 10+ years ago... All online dy..
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Astro is vulnerable to satellite failure and Netflix etc depend on the international cable actually working.
Both depend on foreign governments to function.
Terrestrial TV is actually a reliable fallback

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