Okay and I want to ask you another question. What do you think of Trinity?

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Why don't you answer your own question first; what do you think of Trinity.?

No problem. I believe in the Holy Trinity, there's God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, they are one and the same God yet 3 distinct persons.

Now your turn. What do you think of Trinity?

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About the same as yours.

In what ways are/is the 3 Persons of God distinct or different.?
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Fyi, Bible verses against OSAS, ie the risk or possibility of Christians losing faith = losing salvation, eg through lawlessness or the willful breaking of God's commandments/laws. .......

REV.14:12 (NKJV) = 12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

2TIM.4:6-8 = Paul’s Valedictory

6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.

Why don't you answer your question first?

In what ways are/is the 3 Persons of God distinct or different.?

Why are you suddenly talking about OSAS out of the sudden?

I would be an idiot to label any fellow brethren foolish for the works that brethren has been entrusted to do by our Lord.

Yes, without a doubt we must love our Christian brethren first but Scriptures also says a prophet is never welcomed in his own home. How I wish to love all of my brethren but since this is not allowed within my own church, now I have found that loving non-Christians is far more easier and the non-Christians are much more receptive compared to those from my own community. Thus scripture is proven to be right, the first shall be last and the last shall be first.

I want this place to be a place of Christian fellowship regardless of different denomination.

The problem is, some Christians may have a wrong understanding of the works that they have been entrusted to do by our Lord/God Jesus Christ, eg are the Christian brethren to truly love their enemies like the ISIS terrorists and US liberals.? (cf: ROMANS.12:40 & 9:13)

Prophets, by historical biblical definition, hear audibly and directly from God, eg Moses, Samuel, Nathan, John, Peter and Paul. I do not think there are any such prophets today, even though a few may claim to be(= false prophets.?).. So, your problem about a God's prophet (yourself.?) is never welcomed in his own home Church is spurious.
....... In the Bible, God's prophets were not welcomed by the sinning/evil-doing/law-breaking Jewish Temple and Kings. That was why God sent the Jewish nation of Judah and Israel into foreign captivity in 800BC. It's misinterpretation of the Bible to apply this historical event to today's Church.
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HEBREWS.8:10-13 (NKJV) = . 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 13 2019, 11:04 PM

Yup I desire the same thing within my own Catholic community too, just like what you've written.

When I see observe the Muslim community how they look out for one another irregardlesss whether they are right or wrong, its their bonding as a community, that I find lacking in my own community. 😔 I am not referring to members in this forum. 😊

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Oct 2 2019, 03:28 PM

I had to look up for the meaning of spurious.

Ok tell me when Scripture says about being born again is that spurious too ?

I think the real question in our lifetime that we have to ask of ourselves is that, do we want to be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect or how does one even fulfill the Greatest Commandment first.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Oct 2 2019, 03:32 PM

Every community have their own sets of problem, regardless, don't get swayed by that.

you do your part and be loving to your neighbors or strangers.

Very true every community has their own set of problems and you are right, that will not stop me from doing what I must do or rather all of us, as Christians must do. It is not that we need nor seek praises for such works from anyone, if ever there were such praises, then such praises must be for our heavenly Father only, for those are truly His Works. Scriptures is proven to be true, how happy are those who believes. Praise be to God.

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MATTHEW.5: (NKJV) =

Adultery in the Heart

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. .......
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Love Your Enemies

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
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Notice that the gist of the above 2 passages are the same. So, if Christians were commanded by Jesus/God to love their enemies, they were also commanded to pluck out their eyes and cut off their limbs, so as to save themselves from hell. Does this jive or sound wise.?

In truth, these "commandments" were directed at the Jews and Pharisees who had stubbornly refused to be saved by accepting Jesus of Nazareth as their Messiah/Christ, ie they would have to save themselves by obeying the listed "commandments" at MATTHEW.5:21-48, ... = also the "commandment" to turn the other cheek, walk the extra mile, lend to all who ask or do other foolish works.

In addition, doesn't "love your enemy" destroy the Law's "hate your enemy".? - cf: MATTHEW.5:17-20 stated that Jesus Christ did not come down to earth from heaven to destroy the Law. Also, .......

ROMANS.12:40 = . 20 Therefore

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
If he is thirsty, give him a drink;
For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Does this verse sound like loving your enemy.?

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MATT.19:16-23 = Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler

16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

Perfection in Man can only be achieved by following Jesus Christ = believing in Him = saved from hell. Perfect works alone can not save anyone from hell.

Good day

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 13 2019, 11:10 PM

I have to disagree. The word brother in Mathew 25:40 is the word "adelphos " in the Greek which means a fellow believer, it's not referring to only specifically Christ apostles and disciples during his days on earth.

Why? Because Matthew 25 is a parable denoting the time after Christ come to take his people in the rapture, that will be a different dispensation, no more on Salvation by Grace through Faith. Read verse 1 of Matthew 25, how it is phrased. Besides if good works is the basis for Salvation, then Ephesians 2:8 goes out of the window.

Also your this 3% is something you self decided and it's not based on God's word. The phrase one tenth (1/10) is being use all over in the Old Testament as well as the new Testament. The purpose of tithing though from the natural perspective is to support the church or pastor but that is never the reason or the point to tithe. You tithe unto God as an act of reverent worship and because you believe Christ is alive. Read Hebrews 7:8. On the matter blessings that comes from tithing, that I leave it to individual believers because not everyone is able to believe this, that is fine by me, not going to go into it.

I would be careful not to self decide anything on God's word. I'm sorry but tithing is always a 10% never a 3, 4 or whatever figure.

ROMANS.14:1-13 (NKJV) = The Law of Liberty

14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written:

“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.
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Where does the New Testament state that Christians must tithe 10% to their Church.?

As per ACTS.15:19-29 and GALATIANS.5:1-15, Gentile Christians have been liberated from God's burdensome laws. So, wrt burdensome or non-essential laws, Gentile Christians are at liberty to self-decide to obey or not to obey them, eg circumcision, kosher/clean foods, Sabbath Sunday, etc. .......

In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Love.
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So, you do admit at least that the passage applied to supporting fellow believers and not to any stranger or Tom, Dikk and Harry, especially the enemies of believers.

Notice that it was the righteous and saved sheep who were asking Jesus Christ those questions. So, it would be odd that they did not know that He was referring to them as those being fed, given drink, shelter, clothed, visited in prison and when sick.
...... At MATTHEW.24 & 25, Jesus was speaking to His apostles/disciples. So, I believe He was referring to His apostles/disciples when He said "My brethren", as alluded by .......

MATTHEW.10:9-15 = . 9 Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your money belts, 10 nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food.

11 “Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. 12 And when you go into a household, greet it. 13 If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. 15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!

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The 2 passages are the SAME ? Oh my goodness, seriously ? You are no Christian aren't you ?

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Oct 3 2019, 06:12 PM

I did not say the 2 passages are the same. I said the gist of the 2 passages are the same. You are misquoting my words. Are you falsely accusing me of not being a Christian.?
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Not just 2 passages but the gist of 6 passages are the same. .......
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MATTHEW.5:21-48 (NKJV) =

Murder Begins in the Heart

21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. ...
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Adultery in the Heart

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. ...
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Marriage Is Sacred and Binding

31 “Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
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Jesus Forbids Oaths

33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.’ 34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. ...
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Go the Second Mile

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. ...
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Love Your Enemies

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
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So, can Christians be without any anger with his brother or neighbor.? Shall they pluck out their eyes and cut off their limbs.? Shall Christians not divorce for any reason except for sexual immorality.? Can Christians not swear any oath at all.? Shall they turn the other cheek, go the extra mile and lend to all who ask when dealing with evil persons.? Shall Christians love their enemies.?

All these perfect works of self-effort cannot save the person from hell. Only faith/belief in Jesus Christ can save the person from hell = Christians are saved from hell = they do not have to do these perfect works to be saved from hell. Only those who reject Jesus Christ have to do them, in order to be saved from hell by their own works of self-effort.

Also, all these perfect works are quite impossible to do. Can you pluck out your eyes and cut off your limbs.? If you can, you will be without any immoral sexual lust since you can no longer see a sexually desirable woman and no longer be able to carry out an illicit sexual affair. If you can, the Lord/God Jesus Christ may just grant you a favored position in heaven seated next to Him, a much sought after position and reward(= MARK.10:35-45).

Once saved by faith, the mostly formerly lawless Gentile Christians should go learn the non-burdensome or essential parts of the Law, in order to be empowered by the Holy Spirit of God to do the easy and light works of God, ie keep His commandments/laws. .......

REV.14:12 =12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
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P S - It is inherited Adam's Original Sin that will be sending everyone to hell when they die = they are all born as original sinners and need a Saviour/Christ/Messiah(ROMANS.5:12). This Sin causes everyone to occasionally have involuntary immoral/sinful thoughts and desires in their hearts like immoral sexual lust, greed, selfishness, hate, anger, jealousy, fears/worries, doubts, etc. The spiritual source of this Sin-in-thoughts is Satan. If they are not careful this Sin-in-thought may develop into voluntary sins-in-deeds like murder, adultery, stealing, cheating/lying, etc = such sinners/law-breakers will be cursed by God with a sad and short life on earth.

How long have you been studying Scriptures ?

Take a guess.

1 month.? = instant spiritual maturity like McD's unhealthy fast food or Maggi Mee's unhealthy instant noodles - cf; 1COR.3:1-3.
1 year.? 5 years.? 10 years.? 20 years.? 30 years.? 40 years.? Or even longer.?
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About MATTHEW.5:21-48, at that time, the Jews and Pharisees were thinking that they were going to heaven(= saved from hell) by being perfect keepers of the Law, ie did not commit murder, insulting, adultery, vain swearing, stealing, cheating/lying, etc. They were only half-right. ...

... Before the Advent of Jesus Christ from heaven to earth in 30-33AD, only Jews who have perfectly kept Moses Law qualified to go to heaven when they die, as per LUKE.16:19-31, 1PETER.3:19 & 4:6, MATTHEW.17:3, eg beggar Lazarus, Moses and Elijah. The rich young Jew of LUKE.16 died early and ended up in Hades/hell for willfully/intentionally breaking the Law at DEUT.15:11, ie he refused to provide charity to the poor(= Lazarus) every Sabbath or 7th year.
....... After the 1st Advent and death of Jesus Christ on the Cross in 33AD, perfect-keepers of the Law no longer qualified to be saved from hell when they die, whether Jews or Gentiles, because the gospel of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ has already arrived on earth. Only those who believed in Jesus Christ would be saved from hell or inherit eternal life in the kingdom of God in heaven - JOHN.3:14-18, MATTHEW.4:17.

Today, US and other Jews still falsely believe that they are going to heaven(=saved from hell) by just believing in God and keeping Moses Law, as many laws as possible = no need Jesus of Nazareth the Messiah/Christ/Saviour. Similarly for the Muslims, ie they falsely believe that they are going to heaven by just believing in Allah and keeping Muhammad/Sharia Law.

At MATTHEW.5:21-48, the Lord/God Jesus Christ was trying to correct the Jews' and Pharisees' misconception about still being saved from hell by just keeping the Law = the Old Covenant of Law was going to be replaced by a New Covenant of Faith.
....... Bear in mind that the New Covenant of Faith did not destroy the Old Law, ie anyone who breaks the Old Law will still be cursed by God(= a sad and short life on earth) and anyone who keeps the Old Law/commandments will still be blessed by God(= a good and long life on earth), whether Jews, Gentiles, Christians or non-Christians - ROMANS.2, 1COR.5:5 & 11:30, 1JOHN.5:16-17, DEUT.28, PROVERBS.1.

Unfortunately, there are misguided Christians who falsely believe that their New Hyper-Grace doctrine gave them the license-to-sin without any repercussions from God, as if they got a "Get Out of Jail Free" card by just believing in Jesus Christ. In truth, such willful sinning Christians will often end up with curses/calamities(eg cancer) from God and gravely risk losing their faith and salvation while suffering for their sins/lawlessness - HEBREWS.10:26-31 & 6:1-8, JOB.2:9, 1TIMOTHY.4:1, 2THESS.2:1-12, 1JOHN.3:1-10, MATTHEW.7:15-23.

Lets cut out chase, just state any miracles you have done.