QUOTE(bereev @ Oct 7 2019, 08:06 PM)
I don't see their weapons actuallyMilitary Thread V27
Military Thread V27
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Oct 12 2019, 10:44 AM
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Oct 12 2019, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Oct 12 2019, 12:45 PM) Defending in sg term is preemtive strike. Other nation will call it attacking becauae it outside sovereignty area. While that is true, a pre-emptive strike is, well, pre-emptive, because enemy plans for attack have been detected...Sg can not let enemy landed. Once the enemy landed then its about close combat/urban combat. No chance for the jeta to take of and land unless in neighbour state. |
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Oct 12 2019, 06:02 PM
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https://news.mt.co.kr/mtview.php?no=2019101009377644381 Google Translate is shaky, but it's verrrryyyy interesting QUOTE Insisted by the Navy and Air Force Bureau "Medium sized carriers are needed considering the speed of arms expansion in neighboring countries" At the time of 'research possibility of building possibility' of Korean light aircraft carrier, which is going to electric power in 2033, two proposals for 70,000 ton medium-sized and 40,000 ton light carriers were presented. In addition, Democratic Party Party Chairman Choi Jae-sung said in a report distributed earlier this year by the National Assembly's National Defense Commission on the Navy and Air Force, and insisted that the plan be changed to have a medium-sized carrier's capability rather than a hard-core, considering the power of neighboring countries. According to Choi, two proposals were presented in the research service carried out when the Navy finalized its plan for a large carrier. One is a 70,000 ton medium-sized port with a full load of 71,400 tons, 298m long and 75m wide. The medium-sized port can carry 1340 crew members and can carry 40 fixed-wing (32) and rotorcraft (8) aircraft. Estimated acquisition cost amounted to 5.4 trillion won. The two houses have 40,000 tons of light carriers and have a full load of 41,500 tons. It is 238m long and 62m wide. The light carrier can carry 720 crew members and can carry 20 fixed wing (12) and 20 rotorcraft (8) rotorcraft. Estimated acquisition cost amounted to KRW 3.1 trillion. Mr. Choi said, "The two proposals were reviewed, but the final decision was made with a combination of acquisition costs and acquisition periods." However, Kyunghyang has a deck length of only 240m, and maneuvering is impossible except for short-range takeoffs and vertical takeoffs. "Tactical limitations are a concern." Representative Choi said, “In view of the current military expansion rate of major Northeast Asian countries, the future battlefield in 2033 will be very different from what it is today.” It is necessary to change and review the data. ” The F-35A is operated by the US Air Force, the F-35B by the US Marine Corps, and the F-35C by the US Navy. The Korean aircraft's fighter jet fighter aircraft is likely to adopt the F-35B, a vertical takeoff and landing aircraft. "Chinese are operating 60,000 tons of Liaoning and Shandong ships with full loads," Choi said. "To maximize the tactical advantages, such as the strong anti-war capability of aircraft carriers and the right to provide disputed seas, You should review your plan changes. |
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Oct 12 2019, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Oct 12 2019, 06:36 PM) interesting???which part? QE runs on oil, and probably this one also, unless SK really gonna splurgeto me the interesting part is the electric power....before this people keep thinking aircraft carrier need nuclear power to sustain it thus cant be done by other than powerful nation. but with HMS QE on the roll people see the Rolls-Royce able to deliver the promise of electric power for aircraft carrier. It's either oil or nuclear. Interesting that there seems to be strong intent for SK to operate a real "medium carrier". And I didnt know that they were building a STOVL carrier for F-35Bs in the first place. This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Oct 12 2019, 07:05 PM |
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Oct 17 2019, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Oct 17 2019, 11:17 AM) August Storm shouldn't count since it was the nukes that led to Japan's capitulation The Iliad is on a lower level than Hikayat Hang Tuah in terms of historicity QUOTE(Chekusan2019 @ Oct 17 2019, 11:40 AM) Yes it is total israeli victory but does that victory led to peace n stability in the middle east? No they do not. As far as military operations go, the 6 Day War was one of the most overwhelmingly successful in history, in some ways surpassing the 300 Spartans' stand (since, yknow, they actually won). |
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Oct 17 2019, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 17 2019, 02:19 PM) So sad that modern history only remembers the 300 Spartans, but neglects the 10,000 other forces from other Greek city-states who also helped defend the pass earlier during the battle. it's really ghey propaganda Even the last stand depicted after the defenders were surrounded should have shown 700 Thespians and 400 Thebans who stayed even when Leonidas ordered all other forces to leave. Heck even non-hoplite Spartan light troops who also stayed and died numbered nearly 1000 already. But noooo only the 300 are celebrated. I blame that on the movie. Obvious Spartan propaganda. ![]() my guess is that the Spartans contributed so much to the battle, and the allies are mainly light infantry even long afterward into Roman times, the heavy infantry Roman legionary was considered the most important and decisive soldier on the battlefield and later on it was knights... and then tanks... |
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Oct 17 2019, 02:55 PM
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Oct 17 2019, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 17 2019, 03:23 PM) Actually the numbers I said earlier (400 Thespians and 700 Thebans) are those of hoplite heavy infantry. Most historians can't really say how many light troops were present. Light troops such as skirmishers or archers are usually absent from historical accounts in ancient times. If a number is given it is usually of the Hoplites only. depends on the sources, and really we have very few sources actuallyBut it was noted that ancient Greek armies usually went on their campaigns with each Hoplite bringing 3-4 personal servants and retainers who also acted as light troops and skirmishers during the fighting itself. This, together with any volunteer non-citizen Spartans who either are equipped as light troops or in support roles (only full citizens can be equipped as Hoplites), the total number of soldiers from Sparta itself would probably be around 2000 already. But of course, keep worshipping the 300 Spartan (Hoplites). and the Spartan hoplites were glorified not just for their martial skill, but also for their fight to the death |
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Oct 17 2019, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 17 2019, 04:06 PM) In contrast, due to Spartans being so famous, more study is done on their society and thus we know more about them than many other city-states. Not reallySpartans had so much time to practice military skills because all the work was done by Helot serfs. The Spartan hoplites were the type of citizens that was known as the 'leisure class'. They literally had no work to do because all of economic and agricultural work was done by Helots and they only have to reap the profits. Besides raw military skill, the practice of all citizens having to live together in barracks until the age of 60 also fostered brotherhood, cooperation and solidarity among the Spartan hoplites (arguably far more important than raw military skill). This is in contrast to other city-states whose citizen hoplites are derived from all walks of life and usually had very little idea of military skill & tactics other than standing in a line, covering yourself with a shield and try to stab the enemy with your spear. Also the great wealth gained by citizens from the work of the Helots also made Sparta able to afford excellent, uniform equipment and armor unseen in Greece at the time. Other city-states' Hoplites most of the time use a hodgepodge of armor and equipment usually passed down the family. Often the sight of Sparta's uniform, well drilled army is enough to intimidate and convince opponents to come to terms and avoid fighting. Lastly, regarding fighting to the death, ancient Greek warfare is very much harsh and pitiless. The concept of 'prisoner-of-war' was pretty much non-existent. A defeated army can expect to be massacred to the last man, so there were not much to be gained by running away. The majority of losses during a hoplite battle occurs when the opposing line breaks and those running away are cut down by pursuing light troops. In many cases, making a last stand to the death is preferable than trying to run away and end up getting killed by a peasant skirmisher. There are very many cases of ancient Greek armies fighting to the death, not just Spartans, as the usually the alternative is not only possibly being cut down during the rout, but even if one survives he can expect to be shamed and ostracized as a coward from his peers at home. We have very few sources. All of what we know about Thermopylae comes from Herodotus, and only a handful of other authors. That's not a lot of people. Spartans were not "leisure class". They were almost full time soldiers, and trained harder and longer than the soldiers of other civilisations and other Greeks. This specialisation is the core of what gave them military dominance... but only on land. Their wealth is more likely due to being more successful in wars and thus having more political power to dictate reparations and dominate trade. (Much like any superpower.) However the Spartan system - or rather, what we know of it, see again point 1 about few sources - is quite extreme and unsustainable, leading eventually to their downfall. Actually ancient Greek warfare between city-states was not harsh and more ritualistic, moreso than many other ancient and medieval wars. The Greeks had a certain sense of brotherhood amongst the warring city-states. Once there was a clear winner, they would allow the defeated army to retreat, and then dictate terms. On the losing side, they generally expected to honour the terms and accept the defeat, even if only temporarily. Last stands to the death were remarkable enough that certain states including the Spartans were noted for it, but weren't common. Thermopylae in a way marked the turning point from this kind of "frenemy" warfare because they were fighting an existential threat for the first time. After that war became more brutal, and tactics changed accordingly. |
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Oct 18 2019, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 18 2019, 08:40 AM) This is very much the popular culture depiction of Spartans. In what way?QUOTE For one thing, many other later historians studied Spartan history and culture starting from Roman times up to the 19th century. So it was better well known than most other Greek city-states. The Spartans dont exist in the 19th century. So there is a lack of primary sources describing them, other than the few ancient writers, and we don't really know how accurate they are.Of course this is the same problem for many historical civilisations. QUOTE Secondly, there was no such thing as 'full time soldiers' during the period. Sparta, as of all of Greece, relied on a civilian militia as a military force. However That's why I said, almost Later on during the Greek wars post-Thermopylae, the other states adopted small standing armies too. QUOTE 1) The caste system Yes, we all know this But you describe them as a "leisure class". I wouldn't. QUOTE Yes, we know this tooBut we basically only have 1 or 2 key sources for Spartan society. So really, if you want to challenge the "popular view", then you are left with very little alternative views. |
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Oct 18 2019, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 18 2019, 12:23 PM) Most of our sources for the Spartan culture are written by outsiders, as Sparta's culture does not lend itself to the development of an academic culture. Some are written by critics and some are written by admirers. Thus exaggerations and propaganda will be a part of the narrative. Yes, that is what I mean when I say we have a limited number of primary sources to draw from.However, if you are curious in 'alternative views' on the Spartans. Try and go through these and tell me what you think : sos sos I can get that book, I'll put it on my reading list |
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Oct 18 2019, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 18 2019, 03:46 PM) Yeah I read it. I think it's an exercise in demolishing strawmen.A lot of time, effort and words is spent trying to debunk the Zack Snyder 300 image of Spartans. But that's Hollywood. Nobody with the mildest lasting interest in actual Greek history thinks anything serious about that movie. The writer in fact invariably re-establishes the reasons to admire the Spartans in part 2 of the comments: 1) they were fitter than most other Greeks, which by itself would already have been a key military advantage 2) the State had a stronger influence on Spartans' upbringing than most other Greeks and created a strong esprit de corps 3) they had certain innovations in warfare which made them a significant power in Greek politics for some time 4) for Greeks, their women were well-educated, fit, probably above average in beauty, and desirable By the way, if you look around you, you'll notice some people have truly taken these lessons to heart, and they also are considered formidable opponents in current world affairs. |
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Oct 29 2019, 12:47 AM
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QUOTE(xtemujin @ Oct 27 2019, 09:29 AM) The Malaysian government has not acknowledged that harassment and generally avoids mentioning the years-long CCG presence. But authorities are clearly aware, as evidenced by Royal Malaysian Navy vessels that infrequently monitor the Chinese patrols. For example, RMN Warships 3502 and 176 each patrolled near the Haijing 3306 at Luconia Shoals for at least two days in September and October 2018. Most recently, the Ka Bunga Mas 5, a Malaysian navy auxiliary ship, has been operating as close as 2 nautical miles from the Haijing 5401, which began patrolling the area on September 22. We would need a lot of OPVs to 24/7 patrol our SCS EEZhttps://amti.csis.org/signaling-sovereignty...ontested-reefs/ Then got the rest of our coast also lagi... pinoy side... If we could get voters to allocate lets say another Rm 5 billion to the annual security budget for this purpose alone, let's say to mass produce and operate those MMEA OPVs... how many could we put into the water? This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Oct 29 2019, 12:49 AM |
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Oct 29 2019, 09:59 AM
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Oct 29 2019, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Oct 29 2019, 12:29 PM) Even with the new 3 opv, i can guarantee only one will do patrol at one time, the second one is under maintenance and the third one is on standby. desway ideally we buy stuff like ship, boats or helo in 3s; 2 is a bit of stretch because no backup As I understand it, 3 ship readiness cycle is more applicable to large craft like destroyers, travelling to far away stations, and more complicated operations which require more training such as surface and ASW combatOPVs and coastal patrol craft which have less complex machinery and less demanding tasks tend to be able to run 2 ship cycles and especially if the operations area isn't far off, which is the case for us You'll notice we deploy our ships, even our frigates, in pairs QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 29 2019, 01:01 PM) Modern Germans have no brains anyway, only know how to sell thingsBTW Militarymadness I noticed your profile pic... do you know the history behind it? This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Oct 29 2019, 03:43 PM |
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Navantia offer this Joint Support Ship to Australia, and said they could try a shorter variant for RMN MRSS too
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Oct 31 2019, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Nov 1 2019, 04:43 PM) I guess if they win a large contract they can go and tap into the equity market for funding either via floats or traded debt. A lot of places have done so, but it's a gamble. The problem with the Germans is their Mindef, not just their industryIt also greatly depends on what the German army has put forth as a supply timeline. They're probably betting that with the contract in hand and a long enough timeline, they can ramp up in time. Too much spending on sustainability and welfare, not enough on getting shit done! Germans: "look we have maternity uniforms now because equality for wimminz in the army yo" ![]() Also Germans: "we didn't stock enough spares for our Typhoons so only four are operational lulz" This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Nov 4 2019, 07:06 AM |
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Saab flies new electronic attack pod on Gripen for first time
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