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KLthinker91
post Feb 18 2021, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Feb 18 2021, 03:05 PM)
Then why are stuck in Sg hmm. Working here like me? Indeed there are many things to admire about in Sg. Things you can bring back home. Im tempted to ask where you are schooled or work in Sg. But that is too personal. I cannot help your butthurt can i?
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As always, you are too "smart" for your own good. The super detective skillz which you have displayed in the past once again "revealed" that I am "stuck in SG" eh?

Yes there are many positive things one should learn from Singapore, but there's a difference between trying to learn from something, and being an obsessed fanboy. In any case, if it makes you feel better about your life, go ahead, be my guest.

Just remind me, when was the last time the SAF fired a shot in anger?
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post Feb 18 2021, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Feb 18 2021, 03:51 PM)
I dunno. I guess it is not too hard gauging from what you write. Well; live free to be butthurt or get wind up by innocuous posts and/or postulations.

I will certainly write more of what you apparrently do not like. As said, I cant help it if youre are strangely and cognitively averse to them.

Against insurgents trying to carve out a new republic probably never. State to state conflicts? I suppose the same time every1 were fighting the indo. Dont be too hard on yourself in trying to salvage this.
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...what can one do, I can only lead an ass to water, I can't make it drink... if you wish to continue making a public fool of yourself, be my guest as I said.

You suppose wrong. Try "never at all". But well you can always go back to WW2 to "salvage this"...
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post Feb 18 2021, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Feb 18 2021, 05:08 PM)
An ass would have no problem finding water in real life. The fool is the man who thinks he knows better than an ass. So the irony falls flat.hahaha

If you wish to continue throwing a tantrum each time you read something you do not like out of sheer spite and jealousy, be my guest. Im eating the popcorn slowly.

Get over it.
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You suppose there's anything to be jealous about.

But then we both know you suppose a lot, eh?

QUOTE(nasi lemak 20 sen @ Feb 18 2021, 05:26 PM)
Why that KL boy so butthurt ? Singapore spending way more in defense is well known fact since forever. Malaysia can do so if we got clean and honest people in charge.
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Because I know the game these people play. Having a bona fide concern is one thing. Being an asshole is another.

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post Feb 26 2021, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 23 2021, 11:46 AM)
What I found funny was the Japanese battleships did jack shit during the war. Most were held back in anticipation of the 'Kantai Kessen' decisive battle that was to come. They literally hoped the US Navy could be lured into destruction in what was practically Tsushima 2.0.

The pre WW1-era Kongō-class Battlecruisers (Kongo, Hiei, Haruna and Kirishima) did the most work during the war for the IJN while the Battleships sat at port collecting rust until the destruction of the IJN carriers at Midway meant the IJN were forced to use the Battleships.

The Kongo-Class Battlecruisers participated at the attack at Pearl harbor, the battle of Midway, the invasion of Malaya & the Dutch East Indies, the attack on Darwin, the Indian ocean raid, the invasion of Guadalcanal (where Hiei and Kirishima were sunk by US battleships) and finally the battle of Leyte Gulf. Kongo was Torpedoed and sunk by a US submarine in 1944 while retreating from Brunei to Japan and Haruna was sunk at Kure harbor in 1945 at the end of the war.
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WW2 was the death of the battleship, we all know that

The IJN was actually quite strong, when the battleships and carriers and the whole fleet are taken into consideration. It's just that they could not match the massive untapped reserve of the US manpower, industry and civilian economy.

But that was a characteristic of the entire Japanese High Command planning in WW2. From strategic planning down to the banzai charge at platoon level, their mindset was to gamble everything on one bold attack, no reserves. Because frankly that was the only way they could match the numbers of their opponents.
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post Feb 27 2021, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(mitun @ Feb 26 2021, 09:12 PM)
Hey I own one of these in world of warships. Very cool ship.
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I don't like. The huge tower is a great aiming point lol

(Sails off in my KGV)
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post Mar 2 2021, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 1 2021, 10:10 AM)


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I'm talking about World of Warship game lah bro biggrin.gif
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post Mar 2 2021, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 2 2021, 08:20 AM)
MALAYA'S FIRST NAVAL SHIP

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HMS Laburnum was one of the 24 ships of the Acacia-class Sloops. She was laid down at the Scotstoun yard of Charles Connell and Company in February 1915, launched on 10 June 1915 and completed in August 1915. The Acacia-class fleet sweeping sloops were adapted for escort work, minesweeping and as decoy warships. As an escort vessel, the Laburnum was relatively lightly armed, only equipped with two 76mm guns and three 47mm AA guns.

After a rather eventful WW1 the Laburnum was transferred to the Royal New Zealand Navy in 1922 where she remained in service until 1935. Afterwards she was transferred to the Straits Settlement Naval Volunteer Reserve (precursor of the Royal Malaysian Navy) as a training ship. She remained in service until the invasion of Japan in 1942. As Japanese forces reached Singapore, the Laburnum was scuttled to prevent it being seized by the Japanese. The wreck was later raised and used as a breakwater in East Lagoon and was finally scrapped in 1967.
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Subclass of the Flower-class, one of my favourite ship classes of WW2
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post Mar 3 2021, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Mar 2 2021, 10:39 PM)
they oso had the wrong strategy for subs
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They had the wrong strategy period
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post Mar 3 2021, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Mar 3 2021, 01:53 AM)
yup and PH basically was just them destroying old unretired trash ships pre-ww1
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Well. If they did destroy the carriers it would have been a longer war.

But it would still have been a war. And a war that they could not win. So even if PH had been successful they would eventually have lost. That's why their strategy is bad.
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post Mar 4 2021, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Mar 4 2021, 11:28 PM)
yep coz murica back then is similar to murica now
supplying stuff to both sides of the war to profit
until PH they didn't chose a side
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Not exactly true

The US is quite clear on who its allies are today, and has more stringent controls on weapon sales than say the French. This is longstanding policy since the Cold War and arguably WW2 even.

If one is talking about consumer goods, then it's different from military goods. Neutrality in international trade, according to the free market, is the status quo position that all nations are basically expected to take. Govts really only take a position when declaring embargoes and other trade controls.

Currently if I'm not mistaken we trade with basically everyone other than North Korea, Iran, and Israel. Does that make us "supplying stuff to both sides of the war to profit" as well?

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post Mar 5 2021, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Mar 4 2021, 11:58 PM)
u r talk CW period
i said b4 PH
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You said both current and pre-Pearl Harbour

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murica back then is similar to murica now


Pre-Pearl Harbour, before 1940 the US did not supply arms to either Japan or Germany. In fact, even commercial trade with these nations steadily went down due to anti-war, pro-Allied sentiments in the US.

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post Mar 5 2021, 02:49 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Mar 5 2021, 12:27 AM)
u read the text but don't extrapolate the meaning
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...which is?
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post Mar 5 2021, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 5 2021, 09:26 AM)
It's argued that if Japan did not attack the US directly (at PH), the US would have been more amenable to a negotiated peace rather than unconditional surrender.
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Possibly, if the Japanese had only attacked China. But once they attacked the British, with all the atrocities they committed, probably their fate was sealed.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 5 2021, 09:21 AM)
The threat of US ceasing oil and scrap iron exports to Japan (itself the consequence of Japan's invasion of China) is a major Japanese casus belli for PH in the first place.
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And Lend Lease to China

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post Mar 5 2021, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 5 2021, 09:47 AM)
plus, Chennault's Flying Tigers were kicking Japanese ass all over China.  laugh.gif
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Flying Tigers were assembled before Pearl, but only entered combat after

it is an indication though of what US support could have been like even if Japan had not attacked USA

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post Mar 8 2021, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Mar 8 2021, 09:25 AM)
I'd say Geneva Convention alone was reason enough to not give them any terms of surrender  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
Technically, just because one side violates the Conventions, doesn't excuse the others from doing the same... that's actually in the Conventions itself.

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Honestly, China wasnt going too well for them.
War of attrition going into Chinese heartland with no infrastructure.
Not going too well but not going badly either, until Western intervention. Which is why Japs were royally pissed at UK and US.

Don't forget that for all its supposed size, China had a pathetic resource base and was terribly undermanned and under equipped, for its size. In 1941 it had supposedly 3 million troops, unfortunately only about 400,000 were considered effective and the rest were basically untrained. And of these 400,000 about half were front-line troops while the rest were de facto engineers and support staff. So it is more like 200,000 actual effective troops... a strength more like France than what we imagine as the mighty China. They had barely any armour, and few artillery or machine-guns... never mind aircraft.

What were the rest of the supposed troops doing? Internal security, State agriculture and transport. China was experiencing a famine and many troops were tasked to help produce food. For similar reasons they also had few work animals and vehicles, so most military transport was by manpower, which is terribly inefficient. Which is how those front-line divisions could be halved in effectiveness: a paper strength of 40 divisions x 10,000 men, was in reality only 40 x 5,000 rifles, because the remainder acted as transport.

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I think they took action much earlier.
I remember History channel mentioning that they were basically half mercenary half US special interest at the time
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100% special interests

They were recruited from US Armed Forces and the President allowed the issue of modern fighter aircraft to them. They are effectively black ops... but many people miss that, because national black ops of this kind did not exist before WW2.
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post Mar 9 2021, 02:35 AM

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Mar 8 2021, 05:30 PM)

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"Built locally" or "ASSEMBLED locally"?
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post Mar 28 2021, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Mar 28 2021, 01:55 PM)
today's military technology is just maturation of cold war technology

basic concepts of rifles, tanks, aircrafts, warships etc just the same

The next major breakthrough should be aircrafts that can go to atmosphere and space back and forth

but that's just a waste of money to develop and operate
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Drones and lasers

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