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ar188
post May 15 2024, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(ckokwei @ May 15 2024, 11:26 AM)
If let say without requesting much, usually they will mix plywood and other ?

And I'm not sure is the picture clear. Does the photo underneath refer to block board ? Is there any durability issue if use block board as the "bones" and side us plywood ?

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block board is using the core as solid wood albeit low end solid wood. i guess its ok for carcass use as you are just making a box. i also use it most of the time, but as solid wood maker, i also use other options like rubber wood, merbau board, nyatoh panels etc.
i would not use blockboard for solid wood furniture. wrong application for blockboard.
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post May 15 2024, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(michaelangelo @ May 15 2024, 05:26 PM)
I went to the showroom of this plywood cabinet maker and the glue smell is so strong..eyes tearing and I have decided not to use plywood for my kitchen cabinet. I have been told by other cabinet makers that plywood has the highest VOC chemicals due to the glue that they use…so choose wisely..plus plywood is more expensive. The new material with zero chemical  is  NAF { no added Formaldehyde}
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obviously these people know nothing.

there is low VOC grade plywood, maybe they just get their stock from hardware store which has no grade for voc.
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post May 16 2024, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ May 15 2024, 09:09 PM)
obviously these people know nothing.

there is low VOC grade plywood,  maybe they just get their stock from hardware store which has no grade for voc.
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I think its the glue they use for putting the laminate onto the plywood..unless they use very high quality glue...which of course will cost u more in the end...
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post May 16 2024, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(michaelangelo @ May 16 2024, 06:36 PM)
I think its the glue they use for putting the laminate onto the plywood..unless they use very high quality glue...which of course will cost u more in the end...
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they call it contact cement. yea one tong is rm60-70, if low voc is aroud 200-250

dont see why they would charge 10% more when one 10k project only uses 3-5k worth of materials, whats 200 extra?
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post May 17 2024, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ May 15 2024, 09:08 PM)
block board is using the core as solid wood albeit low end solid wood. i guess its ok for carcass use as you are just making a box. i also use it most of the time, but as solid wood maker, i also use other options like rubber wood, merbau board, nyatoh panels etc.
i would not use blockboard for solid wood furniture. wrong application for blockboard.
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I see. Because initially I thought they will use every single pieces of plywood to make entire cabinet until I found out that unfinished product is still show as block board. If this would not affect the performance of the cabinet, then would be fine.

I think what we can't accept is you mention using plywod to make cabinet, end up the frame all inside is chipboard only the door using plywood. then might as well mention chipboard cabinet rather than plywood cabinet.
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post May 17 2024, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(ckokwei @ May 17 2024, 04:05 PM)
I see. Because initially I thought they will use every single pieces of plywood to make entire cabinet until I found out that unfinished product is still show as block board. If this would not affect the performance of the cabinet, then would be fine.

I think what we can't accept is you mention using plywod to make cabinet, end up the frame all inside is chipboard only the door using plywood. then might as well mention chipboard cabinet rather than plywood cabinet.
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i did mention to the kitchen industry people dont simply say something its not. now malas to repeat already

another stupid term is they offer nyatoh kitchen
actually the door is nyatoh, the carcass frame actually is some crap mdf/chipboard material.
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post May 21 2024, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ May 17 2024, 08:47 PM)
i did mention to the kitchen industry people dont simply say something its not. now malas to repeat already

another stupid term is they offer nyatoh kitchen
actually the door is nyatoh, the carcass frame actually is some crap mdf/chipboard material.
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Very true. Don't simply say that when you did not use the material fully but mixed. Just tell people door made from what and carcass made from what.

But business being business. They would have want a maximum profit margin, thus mixed with other cheaper material and claim that whole thing is Nyotoh.

What can't be accept is the charges is still high. Normal people will just think since price is higher so should be nothing wrong and all should be the same material until they find out the truth.

I also heard block board are some kind of low combination of low quality wood and at times block board come with some hollow parts will it affect the overall performance ?
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post May 21 2024, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(ckokwei @ May 21 2024, 04:20 PM)
Very true. Don't simply say that when you did not use the material fully but mixed. Just tell people door made from what and carcass made from what.

But business being business. They would have want a maximum profit margin, thus mixed with other cheaper material and claim that whole thing is Nyotoh.

What can't be accept is the charges is still high. Normal people will just think since price is higher so should be nothing wrong and all should be the same material until they find out the truth.

I also heard block board are some kind of low combination of low quality wood and at times block board come with some hollow parts will it affect the overall performance ?
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block board is very subjective. what wood inside i cant confirm cos we dont know which supplier it comes from. so your malaysian supplier for blockboard may vary in quality (for the internal wood blocks)

youtube videos i have seen = in indonesia blockboard = some crappy soft wood dried in some sun room, many voids /hollow sections
in thai (big factory, some plantation soft wood, proper production process)
there is vietnam/taiwan etc export grade, very good grade soft wood, proper big machine production process

in either case its soft wood. probably softer than export grade pine wood. i guess usable n better than chipboard


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post May 23 2024, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ May 17 2024, 08:47 PM)
i did mention to the kitchen industry people dont simply say something its not. now malas to repeat already

another stupid term is they offer nyatoh kitchen
actually the door is nyatoh, the carcass frame actually is some crap mdf/chipboard material.
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Can't expect kc people to explain all that, esp if you see them on ads.
Thus very important for customers to ask and check details before payment (go to their showroom if they have one).
Also if the price is too low than standard, chances part of the cabinets are from lower quality material.


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post May 23 2024, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(iamnotyou @ May 23 2024, 02:45 PM)
Can't expect kc people to explain all that, esp if you see them on ads.
Thus very important for customers to ask and check details before payment (go to their showroom if they have one).
Also if the price is too low than standard, chances part of the cabinets are from lower quality material.
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what?
if thats the case, why aluminium kitchen cabinet suppliers can explain in detail that their carcass cabinet is either proper aluminum or acp or hybrid etc? eager to open the door and show whats inside?

price too low? u know how much is the raw material cost of a 10k kitchen or not? biggrin.gif u come to this industry then maybe your eyes will open big big.


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post May 23 2024, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ May 23 2024, 09:24 PM)
what?
if thats the case, why aluminium kitchen cabinet suppliers can explain in detail that their carcass cabinet is either proper aluminum or acp or hybrid etc? eager to open the door and show whats inside?

price too low?  u know how much is the raw material cost of a 10k kitchen or not?  biggrin.gif  u come to this industry then maybe your eyes will open big big.
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Hah I think is the matter of how much is the profit margin they want .
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post May 24 2024, 03:04 PM

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Hi guys, have any of you attempted to modify the existing kitchen cabinet given by developer?

1. enlarge the hob cut out size on quart stone table (I have calculated the cabinet below can fit the cut out size I want)
2. replacing existing hood which may include taking out the cabinet that cover the existing hood.

Usually how much would it cost for the above works?
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post Jun 7 2024, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(shyan90's @ Apr 7 2023, 06:34 PM)
how to clean the mold under the kitchen cabinet sink area.....the cabinet itself is aluminium however the support under quartz stone is wood...and it got alot mold....
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Hi, may I know how long have you used this type of kitchen until it grow mold, my kitchen cabinet setup is like this, wanted to get an estimation of how long it will last before growing mold
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QUOTE(farhanz95play @ Jun 7 2024, 05:51 PM)
Hi, may I know how long have you used this type of kitchen until it grow mold, my kitchen cabinet setup is like this, wanted to get an estimation of how long it will last before growing mold
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around 3 years.. suspect the leaking due to the silicon seal fail...i have reseal and now seems fine..next time would open 2 hole on the cabinet below sink to prevent any sort of moist and can detect leaking earlier.
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post Jun 10 2024, 11:49 AM

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Hi everyone,

I'm looking for advice on installing a porcelain or sintered stone tabletop on my new aluminum kitchen cabinets. I'm wondering which approach is better:

Direct Installation: Attaching the tabletop directly to the aluminum cabinets.
Plywood Base: Installing a plywood base underneath the tabletop for added support.

I've spoken to two kitchen cabinet contractors, and they each have a different recommendation:

Contractor 1: Plywood Base - This contractor recommends installing a plywood base to support the weight of the tabletop, especially for heavy objects. They believe this will prevent the tabletop from breaking and with proper sealing, there's no risk of water seeping through and causing mold.

Contractor 2: Direct Installation - This contractor is confident that the strength of the tabletop itself is sufficient to handle any items placed on it. They argue that a plywood base is unnecessary and could pose damage to the tabletop once water seeps through

My Concerns

While both approaches have their pros and cons, both contractors have extensive experience. I'm unsure which option is truly better for long-term durability and preventing breakage.

So, the question is:

Is there a clear "better" choice, or are there simply pros and cons to consider?

This post has been edited by farhanz95play: Jun 10 2024, 11:53 AM
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Hi everyone,

Can someone guide me on which is better: stainless steel, aluminum, or solid plywood kitchen cabinets?

Are stainless steel and aluminum prone to denting?
Is solid plywood waterproof and termite-resistant?

Others have mentioned negatives about each material, so I want to know what is true.

also, I got a quote for an 8ft stainless steel kitchen with top cabinets, a quartz countertop, and a sink for about RM11k. Some said it's too cheap to be true and could be a modular kitchen
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post Jun 20 2024, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ May 23 2024, 09:24 PM)
what?
if thats the case, why aluminium kitchen cabinet suppliers can explain in detail that their carcass cabinet is either proper aluminum or acp or hybrid etc? eager to open the door and show whats inside?

price too low?  u know how much is the raw material cost of a 10k kitchen or not?  biggrin.gif  u come to this industry then maybe your eyes will open big big.
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I'm kinda part of this industry though

What i want to say some kc people mention about materials of doors used but not the inside, probably why the price is lower than standard. I always see this on ads to attract customers.
If the kc being honest, they will tell u about all that. If not, then need to do some research first. Go to their showroom etc
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post Jul 2 2024, 11:30 PM

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Hello, may I know if this is a good deal for aluminium kitchen cabinets as I have been quoted this estimated price for aluminium and not acp. Also it seems this price is not much more expensive compared to hdf or melamine as a few of the companies charge more than 16k for melamine. Unless can get melamine or hdf much cheaper, then only worth it? In that case, do you have any companies to recommend?


Base Cabinet - RM 15,100
L-Shape Aluminium Tiles Structure
Base Cabinet + 5G Aluminium Door + Shelve
(Length: 12ft)

L-Shape Quartz Stone Top
(Length: 12ft)

1 Set 3 Layers Drawer
(Hidden / Normal)
(Length: 2ft)

Wall Cabinet
I-Shape Solid Aluminium Wall Cabinet
+ 5G Aluminium Door +
Shelve
(Length: 8.26ft x Height: 700mm)

Wall Cabinet Add On Full Height - RM 2,400
(Length: 8.26ft x Height: 1290mm)

Upgrade to Sintered Stone Table Top - RM 900

Freezer Upper Cabinet - RM 1,600
Aluminium Upper Cabinet + 5G
Aluminium Door + Shelve
(Length: 1062mm x Height: 1050mm)

Tall Unit - RM 1,500
Aluminium Tall Unit + 5G Solid
Aluminium Door + Shelve
(Length: 1ft x Height: 2850mm

Thanks.

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QUOTE(crystalclearlah @ Jul 2 2024, 11:30 PM)
Hello, may I know if this is a good deal for aluminium kitchen cabinets as I have been quoted this estimated price for aluminium and not acp. Also it seems this price is not much more expensive compared to hdf or melamine as a few of the companies charge more than 16k for melamine. Unless can get melamine or hdf much cheaper, then only worth it? In that case, do you have any companies to recommend?
Base Cabinet  - RM 15,100
L-Shape Aluminium Tiles Structure
Base Cabinet + 5G Aluminium Door + Shelve
(Length: 12ft)

L-Shape Quartz Stone Top
(Length: 12ft)

1 Set 3 Layers Drawer
(Hidden / Normal)
(Length: 2ft)

Wall Cabinet
I-Shape Solid Aluminium Wall Cabinet
+ 5G Aluminium Door +
Shelve
(Length: 8.26ft x Height: 700mm)

Wall Cabinet Add On Full Height - RM 2,400
(Length: 8.26ft x Height: 1290mm)

Upgrade to Sintered Stone Table Top - RM 900

Freezer Upper Cabinet - RM 1,600
Aluminium Upper Cabinet + 5G
Aluminium Door + Shelve 
(Length: 1062mm x Height: 1050mm)

Tall Unit - RM 1,500
Aluminium Tall Unit + 5G Solid
Aluminium Door + Shelve
(Length: 1ft x Height: 2850mm

Thanks.
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i am looking for kc too recently.

shoe cabinet 2.5ft L x 7ft H t & 8ft L x top 4ft n bottom 3ft

Aluminum 18k
Melamine 11k
Ply + Blockboard yet to get quote
Squeeze Board yet to get quote

fyi melamine limited to customization, most of the house are having same design, and apa tu pvc form board is a waste. because your water inlet and sink sealant should can stand for more than 10yrs unless the sifu kungfu xpandai.

Melanine High Profit and Time Save
all board mufactured by machine, this is why they cant cusyomize much.

Plywood and block board + laminated
lighter and more space(unlike melamine)
this product realky subject to sifu's kungfu
glue and skill is the key.

if both are in same condition
againts moisture = plywood win
but laminated sifu laoya
then melamine may better than plywood

i prefer cement + quartz n squeeze board now.


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Considering everything else is the same, how much cheaper is a concrete/porcelain bottom unit compared to an aluminium base unit? TQ

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