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post Jul 26 2009, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(ante5k @ Jul 26 2009, 10:35 PM)
regarding the NAV, i think  , for example, if a company go under, property sold, the money will be used to pay off the loan first, only the rest returned to shareholder.

by that, it means if a company have NAV higher then the current share value, we need to take into consideration its borrowings/gearing.

example, if the current NAV at RM1.00 per share and gearing at 40%, share price at RM0.90, if company goes under, shareholder get back only RM0.60. Thua losing additional RM0.30 even though trading RM0.10 below NAV per share.

it's always, bondholder first, shareholder second.

do correct me if i'm wrong.
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NAV value stated is the net asset value. Borrowing has been deducted out in the calculation. It is the net worth of it based audited properties price.

(Current Asset + Fixed asset) - (current liabilities + long term liabilities) = NAV
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post Jul 26 2009, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(ante5k @ Jul 26 2009, 10:35 PM)
regarding the NAV, i think  , for example, if a company go under, property sold, the money will be used to pay off the loan first, only the rest returned to shareholder.

by that, it means if a company have NAV higher then the current share value, we need to take into consideration its borrowings/gearing.

example, if the current NAV at RM1.00 per share and gearing at 40%, share price at RM0.90, if company goes under, shareholder get back only RM0.60. Thua losing additional RM0.30 even though trading RM0.10 below NAV per share.

it's always, bondholder first, shareholder second.

do correct me if i'm wrong.
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What i understand the Malaysian REIT "NAV" = Total Asset - Liability (Loan)
So, if u trust the valuation, theorically any price below "NAV" price is considerable.
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post Jul 26 2009, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 26 2009, 09:21 PM)
"Is there something wrong with ARREIT"

I have commented on ARREIT's holdings when panasonic88 brought up this counter. Basically, they are holding on to aged buildings which they do not care to refurbish I think. Location wise, they're mostly unstrategic. I only like one of their holdings (out of a possible 14), which is SEGi Kota Damansara.

"So, instead of being satisfied with the 10% yield in local reits, why not invest in sreits and get 13%-15% returns"

Compare their previous years of returns with the current ones. The yield which you are looking at is backwards yield. Property prices in Singapore has fallen very badly (in the region of 30% - 60%) because they have created a mini property bubble there. So as valuations fall, their stock prices will definitely fall. That is why you see their yields are higher.

We want consistent returns of 10%, not a one-time return of 13%.
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Sorry, I am not clear on what you say. Are you saying the DPU is "artificially high" for the SREits because there was a bubble before collapse? So, you think the DPU for these Reits will come down and make yields lower?


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post Jul 27 2009, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(constant @ Jul 26 2009, 11:51 PM)
Sorry, I am not clear on what you say. Are you saying the DPU is "artificially high" for the SREits because there was a bubble before collapse? So, you think the DPU for these Reits will come down and make yields lower?
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I believe the crisis has hit Singapore hard (as seen in their plunging property prices). And not forgetting they were among the first in the region to report fall in GDP (as high as -8% if I am not mistaken). So, businesses there have suffered, do you think they would continue paying the same rental?
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post Jul 27 2009, 12:44 AM

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thank you for the corrections smile.gif
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post Jul 30 2009, 03:31 PM

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I think the equity market has gone up to fast too furious.

Just bought Al-Aqar REITs to park my funds until the market cools off.

With a NAV of RM 1.04 and trading at RM 0.95, it is a safe haven for the time being.

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post Jul 30 2009, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 30 2009, 03:31 PM)
I think the equity market has gone up to fast too furious.

Just bought Al-Aqar REITs to park my funds until the market cools off.

With a NAV of RM 1.04 and trading at RM 0.95, it is a safe haven for the time being.

Xuzen
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Too slow for people from HK or China.

Depend on which stock exchange you want to refer to.

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jul 30 2009, 04:57 PM)
Too slow for people from HK or China.

Depend on which stock exchange you want to refer to.
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Ha ha ha..... I am a simple kampung folk lar. HK Bourse and Shanghai EX scare the hell out of me.

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Wow, I overslept and didn't notice AXREIT shot all the way to 1.84 rclxub.gif
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post Jul 30 2009, 06:48 PM

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i just got back to office to see also, see the volume..
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QUOTE(ante5k @ Jul 30 2009, 06:48 PM)
i just got back to office to see also, see the volume..
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Must be Stephen throwing his units again. He's been doing this the previous 2 days.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 30 2009, 06:56 PM)
Must be Stephen throwing his units again. He's been doing this the previous 2 days.
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throwing? Seems like somebody want to push up the price, one go sapu all unit from 1.80 to 1.84, amazing!
Hopefully after dividend distribution stay above RM 1.70 then private placement will be at good price thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(vergil90 @ Jul 30 2009, 08:41 PM)
throwing? Seems like somebody want to push up the price, one go sapu all unit from 1.80 to 1.84, amazing!
Hopefully after dividend distribution stay above RM 1.70 then private placement will be at good price  thumbup.gif
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It all depends. The placement is only slated for Q4, still another quarter to go, so we have lots of time smile.gif I am preparing to sell for the big price dilution. Don't want to lose my 40% capital appreciation momentum now biggrin.gif
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Well, it's after dividend ex-date now right? Prices still aren't coming down. Darn.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Aug 3 2009, 10:43 AM)
Well, it's after dividend ex-date now right? Prices still aren't coming down. Darn.
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You mean Axreit? Well, if it is a good counter the only way to go is up. Anyway, there are more REITs other than Axreit. The good thing about Axreit that I find out is that it pays quarterly and the price move quite a lot
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Aug 3 2009, 10:43 AM)
Well, it's after dividend ex-date now right? Prices still aren't coming down. Darn.
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What's the rush? The price should stay afloat prior to the placement in Q4 smile.gif That is the time to start accumulating again.
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does anyone here know when is the ex-date for hektar reits? thank you in advance.
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does anyone here know when is the ex-date for hektar reits? thank you in advance.
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HEKTAR did not announce dividend payout (if I am not mistaken, they pay dividends semi-annually). Where did you hear that from?

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Aug 3 2009, 08:09 PM)
HEKTAR did not announce dividend payout (if I am not mistaken, they pay dividends semi-annually). Where did you hear that from?
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Hektar reits dividend payout quarterly. 1st, 2nd and 3rd fixed at 2.4sen.

According to this link http://m-reit.blogspot.com/ announcement made on 18-Jul-09 : Hektar (Q209) – DPU 2.4 sen but it didn't written any ex-date doh.gif

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Aug 3 2009, 08:09 PM)
HEKTAR did not announce dividend payout (if I am not mistaken, they pay dividends semi-annually). Where did you hear that from?
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Hektar normally announce its dividend on Feb, May, August and November. We should be expecting one this month. rclxm9.gif



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