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clivengu
post Jul 9 2007, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(VincC454 @ Jul 9 2007, 03:43 PM)
u use those lighter liquid with enamel base paint

lacquer stick with thinner or leveling thinner enough already.

topcoat are not clear paint..they are not the same..
i dont think that topcoat can merge with a dust...

clear paint most of the time are use for those to make wet effect looks..not for final protecting layer like topcoat.
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Alamak..is for enamel ah.. mayb bcause of tat my metal paint cant stick..I'll try buying gloss topcoat later. That means even if we Spray on normal Matte surface.. it will comes out Glossy right? I wanna paint my TRuck so that it look Solid n glossy.

Comparing acrylic n lacquer.. actually is ther much difference when comes to durability? or are they gonna be d same after we spray topcoat.. Thanks vincC for ur tips thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(VincC454 @ Jul 9 2007, 03:43 PM)
u use those lighter liquid with enamel base paint

lacquer stick with thinner or leveling thinner enough already.

topcoat are not clear paint..they are not the same..
i dont think that topcoat can merge with a dust...

clear paint most of the time are use for those to make wet effect looks..not for final protecting layer like topcoat.
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huh..??? blink.gif

now i oso blur?

r u saying not all topcoat are clear paint

or

not all clear paint are top coat?

how to know if they are topcoat then? how is it diff from normal paint then???


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post Jul 9 2007, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(erh_teo @ Jul 9 2007, 05:30 PM)
huh..??? blink.gif

now i oso blur?

r u saying not all topcoat are clear paint

or

not all clear paint are top coat?

how to know if they are topcoat then? how is it diff from normal paint then???
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Its more towards the technical definitions here. Clear paint is mainly defined as paint with color, but leaves a transparent finish. Meaning u can still see the layer under it after u've sprayed it on.

Top coat is clear and without color, but it is not the same as clear paint that I had described above.
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erm..need to ask sum basic questions here..say if i paint over panel lines..will the paint cover the panel lines?and if say a certain area i paint double layers..will the difference be obvious?i mean the double layered surface will be slightly higher right?sorry..ive never painted before.. tongue.gif
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post Jul 10 2007, 07:48 PM

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usually the black line will fade a bit if you paint other color on top of it...for example if you paint white after lining...then the line will be grey a bit..the obvious depends on how thick you paint on top of the line....

its better to do the lining after you paint the surface...
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this is the procedure of making my models all the time:

1. spray mr surfacer onto the runners
2. spray mr colour onto the runners
3. cut parts then cut the excess gates using nippers
4. assemble according to manual
5. take out every parts & spray again to cover nip marks
6. panel lining & a bit of weathering
7. apply decals
8. spray mr topcoat as finishing move

is there anything i miss, or put something that is necessary/unnecessary, etc, etc . .

one question, is decal applying after or before topcoat? smile.gif
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QUOTE(kuposaka @ Jul 10 2007, 08:43 PM)
this is the procedure of making my models all the time:

1. spray mr surfacer onto the runners
2. spray mr colour onto the runners
3. cut parts then cut the excess gates using nippers
4. assemble according to manual
5. take out every parts & spray again to cover nip marks
6. panel lining & a bit of weathering
7. apply decals
8. spray mr topcoat as finishing move

is there anything i miss, or put something that is necessary/unnecessary, etc, etc . .

one question, is decal applying after or before topcoat? smile.gif
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this steps are more to easy side and sometimes good for starters...
but if you look at no2 and no5..this is consider waste of paint and double job already

but different ppl has their own different style to make their kits looks nice..hehe

anyway...its recommended that to apply decal first before topcoat...usually we never do anything anymore after the final topcoat.
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post Jul 10 2007, 10:43 PM

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I try using Topcoat (spray can yesterday) and i found that it is so hard to control... Any tips on using dis can spray? I put d can in warm water for a while b4 using.. n when spray..is from 20-30 cms away.

I cant figure how much do i need to spray.. as d spraying power seems so STRONG that i feel like i will ned to do everything in a very short time.
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one go is good enough...

for me..most of the time i spray one single thin layer only
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QUOTE(VincC454 @ Jul 10 2007, 10:39 PM)
this steps are more to easy side and sometimes good for starters...
but if you look at no2 and no5..this is consider waste of paint and double job already

but different ppl has their own different style to make their kits looks nice..hehe

anyway...its recommended that to apply decal first before topcoat...usually we never do anything anymore after the final topcoat.
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but i prefer to spray over the nip marks so that it wont look so obvious that something "small" comes out out of every part everywhere
anyway, tell me, what's the use of a neo soil mask? thanks nod.gif
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neo mask act like masking tape...
its cover up the parts you dont want to spray or paint..

it come like a liquid paper form (green color) and when it dried..its turn into something like a rubber sticking on your kits surface..very handy stuff
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QUOTE(VincC454 @ Jul 10 2007, 10:39 PM)
this steps are more to easy side and sometimes good for starters...
but if you look at no2 and no5..this is consider waste of paint and double job already

but different ppl has their own different style to make their kits looks nice..hehe

anyway...its recommended that to apply decal first before topcoat...usually we never do anything anymore after the final topcoat.
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I like switching to acrylics for the weathering effects after applying the final lacquer topcoat. This' very handy for stuff like like stains like mud (for the ground types in the jungle) and sand marks (for those in the desert), especially if u want to add texture to the weathering.

Adding in baby powder to tamiya acrylics works great to achieve that textured mud stains, but clogs up the AB like mad though.

Furthermore, cleanups at this stage can be done easily using spirits, as it wont touch the lacquer topcoated paint.


Added on July 11, 2007, 12:38 am
QUOTE(clivengu @ Jul 10 2007, 10:43 PM)
I try using Topcoat (spray can yesterday) and i found that it is so hard to control... Any tips on using dis can spray? I put d can in warm water for a while b4 using.. n when spray..is from 20-30 cms away.

I cant figure how much do i need to spray.. as d spraying power seems so STRONG that i feel like i will ned to do everything in a very short time.
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This' one big disadvantage to using spray cans, u cant control the spray velocity. The only way is for you to spray from a further distance, where u get a mist onto the plastic rather than drowning it, but can be rather wasteful in terms of how much does not go onto the plastic at all, but rather onto your hands, your table, your walls, your floor, u name it.

This post has been edited by fyire: Jul 11 2007, 12:38 AM
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Hi all gundam model kit fans.. i'm still new here..need s0me guidence about model kit..

1) How to start assemble model kit? Did i must have all the tools like kit seperator, cutter, sand paper etc.

2) Did i must applying the lining marker to model kit? i alredi d0ne it to my HG 1/144 Wing Zero Custom but it look s0 c0m0t laa..
help me the correct way to applying lining marker..
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QUOTE(kuposaka @ Jul 10 2007, 11:23 PM)
but i prefer to spray over the nip marks so that it wont look so obvious that something "small" comes out out of every part everywhere
anyway, tell me, what's the use of a neo soil mask? thanks  nod.gif
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cut out the piece 1st , sandpaper the flash then use cellophane tape to stick the piece to a wooden stick and finally spray. So you can avoid the double paint job.
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QUOTE(kuposaka @ Jul 10 2007, 11:23 PM)
but i prefer to spray over the nip marks so that it wont look so obvious that something "small" comes out out of every part everywhere
anyway, tell me, what's the use of a neo soil mask? thanks  nod.gif
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Why dun u just skip the part where u spray topcoat and color on the runner and directly spray them when u have them all cut down and have tried assembling. U will have more clear idea wat color and which color is missing, and also u get to settle the nip marks problem.
U know lah! Bandai sometimes dun care about those small different color part, they just make them all on a runner!

Who using neo soil mask, do teach me how to control tat liquid, it is darn hard to control......
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QUOTE(VincC454 @ Jul 4 2007, 10:04 AM)
bottle paint - RM6
spray can - RM30
lining markers - RM9
surfacer spray can - RM24
surfacer bottle - RM15
thinner 110 - RM15
leveling thinner 110 - RM16
masking neo - RM15
metal paint series - RM9
topcoat - rm30
masking tape - RM12
tamiya cutter - RM89
craft knife - RM16

now...you need to do your homework and scout everywhere if you wanna find cheap stuff or the stuff that you want...

just sitting around and wait people to mouth feed you wont get you anything...
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shocking.gif where can i get all diz stuff?? shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(GAT-X105 @ Jul 11 2007, 12:59 PM)
shocking.gif  where can i get all diz stuff?? shakehead.gif
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look here bro..

List Of Toy Shops
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post Jul 11 2007, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(300078 @ Jul 11 2007, 12:54 PM)
Why dun u just skip the part where u spray topcoat and color on the runner and directly spray them when u have them all cut down and have tried assembling. U will have more clear idea wat color and which color is missing, and also u get to settle the nip marks problem.
U know lah! Bandai sometimes dun care about those small different color part, they just make them all on a runner!

Who using neo soil mask, do teach me how to control tat liquid, it is darn hard to control......
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yea...me use it sometimes as alternate to masking tape...those small parts...i use neo.
hard to control yes...but usually me use it like a liquid paper and instead of using the cap brush comes with it one...i use normal fine brush to apply the neo

QUOTE(GAT-X105 @ Jul 11 2007, 12:59 PM)
shocking.gif  where can i get all diz stuff?? shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(duke_hunt @ Jul 11 2007, 01:12 PM)
look here bro..

List Of Toy Shops
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yes...look at the list...
most of the the stuff can get from time machine BTS
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post Jul 11 2007, 07:56 PM

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Hi everyone, anyone can advise or give me steps on how to hand paint a MG RX179 MK II Titans ver 2.0 into the AEUG paint sceme? Would love the noob and easy way of hand painting.
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Yo guys,

I wanna ask, whats the best way to maintain the brushes after use. I mean, like how you guys clean it? Currently, i poured out a bit of Mr. Color thinner 50 and washed the brush in it. After that, i just let it dry. shocking.gif

So, am i doing the right thing? I bought 2 brushes from a hobby shop in sushine plaza. Not cheap eh... unsure.gif

Oh, i also read that the use of Acrylic should use battery water, Mr. Thinner etc., as the solvent. Is 'Mr. Thinner' and 'Mr. Color Thinner' the same thing? blink.gif

I was also told that i should mix the acrylic paints with tap water and some dish washing detergent. Does anybody know the reason for this? blush.gif

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