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post May 16 2019, 05:21 PM, updated 7y ago

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can i have some opinion current market, nowadays a lot of agents say that is good time to buy a property,

what is the Pros and cons??

got alot rebate and got cash back some more is it really good to purchase ?
the property free MOT until end of JUNE sound like now buy before JUNE is pretty good?
base rate drop interest lower then previous d?


need some advice from specialist adviser !
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post May 16 2019, 05:52 PM

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I'm not a specialist adviser but I would say it is starting to be a good time to look at subsale.

Many owners who bought the past 5 years are trying to offload quickly since the trend is now firmly down.

If you're buying from developer.....best of luck. I'm not a believer of new developments, especially in a soft market.
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post May 16 2019, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(BeastB @ May 16 2019, 05:52 PM)
I'm not a specialist adviser but I would say it is starting to be a good time to look at subsale.

Many owners who bought the past 5 years are trying to offload quickly since the trend is now firmly down.

If you're buying from developer.....best of luck. I'm not a believer of new developments, especially in a soft market.
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is it subsales free for all the legal fee like MOT? and where can we know which area are under value?
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QUOTE(Kevxion @ May 16 2019, 06:01 PM)
is it subsales free for all the legal fee like MOT? and where can we know which area are under value?
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No... You have to bear all legal fees for SNP and LA. Prepare about 5% of property price for Legal fees and SD.

For under value props.. go out and look for them. Start calling agents.
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QUOTE(Kevxion @ May 16 2019, 06:01 PM)
is it subsales free for all the legal fee like MOT? and where can we know which area are under value?
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Nope not free.....please keep in mind developer says this free that free everything free, because all the costs are already priced into the property. It's all a sales gimmick.

As for your second question.....I can type an essay here. If you really want to learn how just PM me I can share a reliable source which can share a lot of material.
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post May 16 2019, 06:31 PM

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can look at auction too..

have some good properties around. but u have high competition too.. because many are eying auction market too nowadays... many desperate owners around..
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QUOTE(Kevxion @ May 16 2019, 05:21 PM)
can i have some opinion current market, nowadays a lot of agents say that is good time to buy a property,

what is the Pros and cons??

got alot rebate and got cash back some more is it really good to purchase ?
the property free MOT until end of JUNE sound like now buy before JUNE is pretty good?
base rate drop interest lower then previous d?
need some advice from specialist adviser !
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When do or has ever agents advise not a good time to buy?

This post has been edited by icemanfx: May 16 2019, 07:26 PM
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post May 16 2019, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(Kevxion @ May 16 2019, 06:21 PM)
can i have some opinion current market, nowadays a lot of agents say that is good time to buy a property,

what is the Pros and cons??

got alot rebate and got cash back some more is it really good to purchase ?
the property free MOT until end of JUNE sound like now buy before JUNE is pretty good?
base rate drop interest lower then previous d?
need some advice from specialist adviser !
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Yes free mot, however most of the time you need to pay 10% downpayment.

Example: First time home buyer, 400k - 40k(10% discount, some have, some dont have) = 360k discounted spa price

360k - 36k(10% downpayment) = 324k nett price

Personally, I feel like more rebates and cashback means developers are getting more desperate to sell their units as they want to avoid too much overhang.

Yes, interest rate lower.
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post May 16 2019, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 16 2019, 08:12 PM)
When do or has ever agents advise not a good time to buy?
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Has there ever been a time where its not a good time to buy properties for "everybody"?

Ya, what I mean by everybody is everyone, no matter rich, poor, rich in cash, etc.
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QUOTE(Kevxion @ May 16 2019, 05:21 PM)
can i have some opinion current market, nowadays a lot of agents say that is good time to buy a property,

what is the Pros and cons??

got alot rebate and got cash back some more is it really good to purchase ?
the property free MOT until end of JUNE sound like now buy before JUNE is pretty good?
base rate drop interest lower then previous d?
need some advice from specialist adviser !
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Cash back : sumthing bad on that property
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post May 16 2019, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(dave1987 @ May 16 2019, 08:42 PM)
Cash back : sumthing bad on that property
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Or developers getting real desperate to boost sales
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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ May 16 2019, 07:40 PM)
Has there ever been a time where its not a good time to buy properties for "everybody"?

Ya, what I mean by everybody is everyone, no matter rich, poor, rich in cash, etc.
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Everybody's need or requirements is different.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 16 2019, 07:12 PM)
When do or has ever agents advise not a good time to buy?
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Hahahhaha..
True also.. As long $$$$ involved...
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post May 16 2019, 09:11 PM

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Does the saying of, there will never a good/bad time to buy properties, the time is now...still holds?

Because it's like year after year, everyone keeps saying market is bad, don't buy. Or market is bad, so must buy. Would it actually be the case of if you have money, right feels over it, then buy?
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post May 16 2019, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 16 2019, 09:05 PM)
Everybody's need or requirements is different.
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So is it correct to say that it is always a good time to buy properties?*

*Terms and conditions applied.

Agents are not wrong then
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post May 16 2019, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 16 2019, 10:11 PM)
Does the saying of, there will never a good/bad time to buy properties, the time is now...still holds?

Because it's like year after year, everyone keeps saying market is bad, don't buy. Or market is bad, so must buy. Would it actually be the case of if you have money, right feels over it, then buy?
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That's partially correct. Everyone knows the stories of some successful people with their "i buy xxxx when its cheap, now expensive dy i damn rich now, thats how i succeed". Not many people know when to buy, when to not buy. How? Keep on researching la...

Wait till market rejuvenates then start researching? Too late. Wait till market is bad then start saving to sapu lelong and subsales?

Diu...many people say now subsales and lelong market good, let me ask you, if you don't start saving before, how are you gonna afford going in subsales and lelong?


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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ May 16 2019, 09:15 PM)
So is it correct to say that it is always a good time to buy properties?*

*Terms and conditions applied.

Agents are not wrong then
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Not at all. Everyone has different needs and requirements.

What is your terms and conditions?

QUOTE(lollipopkan @ May 16 2019, 09:21 PM)
That's partially correct. Everyone knows the stories of some successful people with their "i buy xxxx when its cheap, now expensive dy i damn rich now, thats how i succeed". Not many people know when to buy, when to not buy. How? Keep on researching la...

Wait till market rejuvenates then start researching? Too late. Wait till market is bad then start saving to sapu lelong and subsales?

Diu...many people say now subsales and lelong market good, let me ask you, if you don't start saving before, how are you gonna afford going in subsales and lelong?
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Poorperly is illiquid, price takes years to bottom and kv poorperly bottom is still not insight. Kv poorperly won't be seeing another bullrun for many years. Why would sensible investors buy on downtrend?

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QUOTE(Kevxion @ May 16 2019, 05:21 PM)
can i have some opinion current market, nowadays a lot of agents say that is good time to buy a property,

what is the Pros and cons??

got alot rebate and got cash back some more is it really good to purchase ?
the property free MOT until end of JUNE sound like now buy before JUNE is pretty good?
base rate drop interest lower then previous d?
need some advice from specialist adviser !
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Am not a specialist adviser.

But here's my take on the current property market climate. The first thing you will need in the current climate is good holding power as no matter what property you buy you need to be prepared for it to be vacant for longer than usual.

It is a good time to pick up cheap medium cost places that are near MRT/LRT/KTM stations. Positive cash flow investments but it will take some effort to manage. Are you eligible for a rumawip?? Quickly get one. One of these get on auction? Get it if it is on the cheap. There will always be demand for them.

Properties that are between RM500-700k, plenty of them about but only those near LRT/MRT stations need to be considered with the other exception being those close to major roads.

Properties between RM700k-1.5m, stay away unless it is a freehold, landed and you are keeping it for capital appreciation, only buy one if you have holding power and find one going for below market value. Condo in "atas" areas, only recent ones need to consider, everything else not worth it.

Properties >RM1.5m, this will typically be landed houses in well established neighbourhood. Rentals are crap on them but they will have capital appreciation value, find very basic but liveable condition units that are going for a bargain.

How I find properties on a bargain?
The 6 subsale I own :-
-2 were from my lawyer, was informed of the troubles of the buyer and if could help they had a properties to let go.
-2 were from my banker, 1 was a distress situation and another colleague migrating.
-2 were by an REA that I have a good relationship with and these 2 were basically owners been wanting to sell for a long time but couldn't sell and he informed me what were the magic numbers to close a deal and how to seal the deal.


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 16 2019, 11:31 PM)
Not at all. Everyone has different needs and requirements.

What is your terms and conditions?
Poorperly is illiquid, price takes years to bottom and kv poorperly bottom is still not insight. Kv poorperly won't be seeing another bullrun for many years. Why would sensible investors buy on downtrend?
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Everyone has different needs and requirements.

You spew such vague statement to come across as its "true". Why can't I put out a vague unspecific statement that is correct?
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post May 17 2019, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 16 2019, 11:31 PM)
Not at all. Everyone has different needs and requirements.

What is your terms and conditions?
Poorperly is illiquid, price takes years to bottom and kv poorperly bottom is still not insight. Kv poorperly won't be seeing another bullrun for many years. Why would sensible investors buy on downtrend?
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Also, if its property, then property la, wtf is poorperly?

It is illiquid but then it still holds up a significant portion of your initial value even if it depreciates, thats why some people like to invest in properties. (dont tell me rubbish extreme example of buying a flat unit for 1.5m)

It takes years to bottom, diu every year can say like that lo, wait till the year before u die then buy, ok mou?

I agree with you the property bottom is still not in sight. However, who can know exactly when is the property bottom? Diu even economists don't know.

Sensible or not, not even up to you to decide. rolleyes.gif


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Whoever that says now is a bad time will always say this no matter what.. There is never a good time or bad time.

If you dont take risk you dont win.

There are always good buy properties. To be safe, always go for landed in city area, not ulu area.

New launch condo 400k and above, better dont see. Most are in non favourable area, small or low ROI and overpriced.

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I'll ask this here cuz don't wanna start a new thread on what could be an easy answer. I noticed that most active threads and discussions here don't touch on KL Sentral properties...why yea? It's the hub of our stations, most convenient... nobody's looking at anything there?
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 17 2019, 01:57 AM)
I'll ask this here cuz don't wanna start a new thread on what could be an easy answer. I noticed that most active threads and discussions here don't touch on KL Sentral properties...why yea? It's the hub of our stations, most convenient... nobody's looking at anything there?
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Because they are out of reach for most. Simple.
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 17 2019, 01:57 AM)
I'll ask this here cuz don't wanna start a new thread on what could be an easy answer. I noticed that most active threads and discussions here don't touch on KL Sentral properties...why yea? It's the hub of our stations, most convenient... nobody's looking at anything there?
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Currently there are 2 new KL Sentral properties.
1) Sentral Suites.
2) Riveria.

Sentral Suites mostly sold out so nothing much to talk about. It is also quite an expensive development. This is the only real KL Sentral development as the rest are Brickfields. It is also the last one as after this there would be no more further KL Sentral residential development.

Riveria? This isn't a residential development and doesn't carry a KL Sentral address.

As for why other developments don't get talked about much?

1) Cost, very high average prices.
2) Rarity, good units rarely ever come on the market.
3) The area lacks vibrancy and for the most part much of it are slums.
4) Most people have little need to live close to 7 rail lines and therefore opt to live elsewhere where it is more conducive.
5) Rentals may be high but occupancy rates aren't that fantastic.
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 17 2019, 02:57 AM)
I'll ask this here cuz don't wanna start a new thread on what could be an easy answer. I noticed that most active threads and discussions here don't touch on KL Sentral properties...why yea? It's the hub of our stations, most convenient... nobody's looking at anything there?
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Whether its for ownstay or investment, there are better options than kl sentral area.


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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ May 17 2019, 12:01 AM)
Also, if its property, then property la, wtf is poorperly?

It is illiquid but then it still holds up a significant portion of your initial value even if it depreciates, thats why some people like to invest in properties. (dont tell me rubbish extreme example of buying a flat unit for 1.5m)

It takes years to bottom, diu every year can say like that lo, wait till the year before u die then buy, ok mou?

I agree with you the property bottom is still not in sight. However, who can know exactly when is the property bottom? Diu even economists don't know.

Sensible or not, not even up to you to decide.  rolleyes.gif
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Most buy poorperly with leverage. Leverage amplify profit as well as loss. If price doesn't rise higher e.g stagnant than loan interest incurred is a financial loss.

Given slowing population growth, ageing population, overhang to persists, unaffordable, etc, when poorperly price hit bottom, likely to stay bottom for a while.

Price is bottom when blood is knee deep on the floor.

QUOTE(lollipopkan @ May 17 2019, 02:50 AM)
Whether its for ownstay or investment, there are better options than kl sentral area.
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A proof that poorperly near transportation hub is purely a hype.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: May 17 2019, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 16 2019, 10:35 PM)
Am not a specialist adviser.

But here's my take on the current property market climate. The first thing you will need in the current climate is good holding power as no matter what property you buy you need to be prepared for it to be vacant for longer than usual.

It is a good time to pick up cheap medium cost places that are near MRT/LRT/KTM stations. Positive cash flow investments but it will take some effort to manage. Are you eligible for a rumawip?? Quickly get one. One of these get on auction? Get it if it is on the cheap. There will always be demand for them.

Properties that are between RM500-700k, plenty of them about but only those near LRT/MRT stations need to be considered with the other exception being those close to major roads.

Properties between RM700k-1.5m, stay away unless it is a freehold, landed and you are keeping it for capital appreciation, only buy one if you have holding power and find one going for below market value. Condo in "atas" areas, only recent ones need to consider, everything else not worth it.

Properties >RM1.5m, this will typically be landed houses in well established neighbourhood. Rentals are crap on them but they will have capital appreciation value, find very basic but liveable condition units that are going for a bargain.

How I find properties on a bargain?
The 6 subsale I own :-
-2 were from my lawyer, was informed of the troubles of the buyer and if could help they had a properties to let go.
-2 were from my banker, 1 was a distress situation and another colleague migrating.
-2 were by an REA that I have a good relationship with and these 2 were basically owners been wanting to sell for a long time but couldn't sell and he informed me what were the magic numbers to close a deal and how to seal the deal.
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Interesting take. Just wondering why "Quickly get one Rumawip". Yes, its cheap. But there could be risks of selling/renting out in the future because of change in government policy etc2? No?
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QUOTE(boyslikeboys @ May 17 2019, 01:58 AM)
Because they are out of reach for most. Simple.
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 17 2019, 02:36 AM)
Currently there are 2 new KL Sentral properties.
1) Sentral Suites.
2) Riveria.

Sentral Suites mostly sold out so nothing much to talk about. It is also quite an expensive development. This is the only real KL Sentral development as the rest are Brickfields. It is also the last one as after this there would be no more further KL Sentral residential development.

Riveria? This isn't a residential development and doesn't carry a KL Sentral address.

As for why other developments don't get talked about much?

1) Cost, very high average prices.
2) Rarity, good units rarely ever come on the market.
3) The area lacks vibrancy and for the most part much of it are slums.
4) Most people have little need to live close to 7 rail lines and therefore opt to live elsewhere where it is more conducive.
5) Rentals may be high but occupancy rates aren't that fantastic.
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Yeah, that Rivera is so expensive and has such high density, designed to milk every single drop off you like that. I remembered getting spam msgs from them last time promoting this.

True that a person doesn't need to live THAT close to the central. The only plus point I see is that the rentals to non-local people, mainly expats working nearby there would be ideal. But not many of those anymore.

QUOTE(lollipopkan @ May 17 2019, 02:50 AM)
Whether its for ownstay or investment, there are better options than kl sentral area.
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 17 2019, 02:36 AM)
Currently there are 2 new KL Sentral properties.
1) Sentral Suites.
2) Riveria.

Sentral Suites mostly sold out so nothing much to talk about. It is also quite an expensive development. This is the only real KL Sentral development as the rest are Brickfields. It is also the last one as after this there would be no more further KL Sentral residential development.

Riveria? This isn't a residential development and doesn't carry a KL Sentral address.

As for why other developments don't get talked about much?

1) Cost, very high average prices.
2) Rarity, good units rarely ever come on the market.
3) The area lacks vibrancy and for the most part much of it are slums.
4) Most people have little need to live close to 7 rail lines and therefore opt to live elsewhere where it is more conducive.
5) Rentals may be high but occupancy rates aren't that fantastic.
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if my memory serves me right, the only residential status high-rise inside kl sentral proper (the address and title), is suasana sentral.. or maybe the loft too..

suasana sentral has good sizes, many singaporeans bought into it, and the distinct feature of the loft is its sunken bath.. either way, carapark lots are premium here and problem too, some owners even rented out to office tenants occupying plaza sentral..


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 17 2019, 04:12 AM)
Most buy poorperly with leverage. Leverage amplify profit as well as loss. If price doesn't rise higher e.g stagnant than loan interest incurred is a financial loss.

Given slowing population growth, ageing population, overhang to persists, unaffordable, etc, when poorperly price hit bottom, likely to stay bottom for a while.

Price is bottom when blood is knee deep on the floor.
A proof that poorperly near transportation hub is purely a hype.
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And when is the bottom? You keep on repeating the same arguments over and over again with your vague statements. Yeah you are mostly correct but you are so vague and unspecific, it waters down your own arguments.

Try bring up better arguments next time.
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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ May 17 2019, 11:39 AM)
And when is the bottom? You keep on repeating the same arguments over and over again with your vague statements. Yeah you are mostly correct but you are so vague and unspecific, it waters down your own arguments.

Try bring up better arguments next time.
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No matter how many times one repeat 1+1 is still =2. Only creative accounting could change 1+1<>2.

poorperly price is a product of law of supply and demand. As market liquidity, loan interest, gomen policy, market sentiment, etc could influence either or both supply and demand. Hence, when poorperly price will reach bottom change from time to time. Plus poorperly doesn't has exchange to establish universal pricing. Hence, even bottom price is reached, one could still dispute.

Poorperly price is one of if not the most opaque among investment assets. By nature, poorperly couldn't be specific.

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QUOTE(vckc @ May 16 2019, 06:03 PM)
No... You have to bear all legal fees for SNP and LA. Prepare about 5% of property price for Legal fees and SD.

For under value props.. go out and look for them. Start calling agents.
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under value how can we know is under value?
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QUOTE(Siao_Lang @ May 17 2019, 12:23 AM)
Whoever that says now is a bad time will always say this no matter what.. There is never a good time or bad time.

If you dont take risk you dont win.

There are always good buy properties. To be safe, always go for landed in city area, not ulu area.

New launch condo 400k and above, better dont see. Most are in non favourable area, small or low ROI and overpriced.
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if for this current situation got 500k will you go for condo in city or out skirt landed from the town ?
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QUOTE(heavensea @ May 17 2019, 12:55 AM)
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straight to the point , thanks for the advice lol
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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ May 16 2019, 07:36 PM)
Yes free mot, however most of the time you need to pay 10% downpayment.

Example: First time home buyer, 400k - 40k(10% discount, some have, some dont have) = 360k discounted spa price

360k - 36k(10% downpayment) = 324k nett price

Personally, I feel like more rebates and cashback means developers are getting more desperate to sell their units as they want to avoid too much overhang.

Yes, interest rate lower.
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then feel like can save a lot though , but some of the developer cash back they wont cash back us early , say have to wait until getting house key only can get is it legal in this way because we are servicing the loan
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QUOTE(Siao_Lang @ May 17 2019, 12:23 AM)
Whoever that says now is a bad time will always say this no matter what.. There is never a good time or bad time.

If you dont take risk you dont win.

There are always good buy properties. To be safe, always go for landed in city area, not ulu area.

New launch condo 400k and above, better dont see. Most are in non favourable area, small or low ROI and overpriced.
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where you will buy bro ? can bring me fly ?
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QUOTE(Kevxion @ May 17 2019, 12:03 PM)
straight to the point , thanks for the advice lol
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There are few incentive by govt for 1st home buyer in 2019.

No rush (I don't really see our country's economy can be improved by short time) pick the right one not the cheap one.
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 17 2019, 02:36 AM)
Currently there are 2 new KL Sentral properties.
1) Sentral Suites.
2) Riveria.

Sentral Suites mostly sold out so nothing much to talk about. It is also quite an expensive development. This is the only real KL Sentral development as the rest are Brickfields. It is also the last one as after this there would be no more further KL Sentral residential development.

Riveria? This isn't a residential development and doesn't carry a KL Sentral address.

As for why other developments don't get talked about much?

1) Cost, very high average prices.
2) Rarity, good units rarely ever come on the market.
3) The area lacks vibrancy and for the most part much of it are slums.
4) Most people have little need to live close to 7 rail lines and therefore opt to live elsewhere where it is more conducive.
5) Rentals may be high but occupancy rates aren't that fantastic.
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Riveria is come with affordable price, but psf is little high, i think that area can invest , how is the developer performance can share some ?
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QUOTE(Kevxion @ May 17 2019, 01:14 PM)
then feel like can save a lot though , but some of the developer cash back they wont cash back us early , say have to wait until getting house key only can get is it legal in this way because we are servicing the loan
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You only start servicing the loan once you get your house keys.
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QUOTE(Kevxion @ May 17 2019, 01:29 PM)
Riveria is come with affordable price, but psf is little high, i think that area can invest , how is the developer performance can share some ?
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You only start servicing the loan once you get your house keys.
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No lar... you have to service progressive interest during undercon period..
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QUOTE(Siao_Lang @ May 17 2019, 12:23 AM)
Whoever that says now is a bad time will always say this no matter what.. There is never a good time or bad time.

If you dont take risk you dont win.

There are always good buy properties. To be safe, always go for landed in city area, not ulu area.

New launch condo 400k and above, better dont see. Most are in non favourable area, small or low ROI and overpriced.
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is rawang near anggun city or rawang aeon considered as ulu area? interested in a double storey landed there

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is rawang near anggun city or rawang aeon considered as ulu area? interested in a double storey landed there
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Condo, ulu. Landed, i think its okay.

For landed, the "ulu" index is more loose than condo because landed in moderately prime areas are already quite expensive.
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QUOTE(vckc @ May 17 2019, 02:14 PM)
No lar... you have to service progressive interest during undercon period..
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You only get cashback after paying all the progressive interest because that is when all of the money has been disbursed to developer.


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You only get cashback after paying all the progressive interest because that is when all of the money has been disbursed to developer.
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???.. When you buy undercon you have to service progressive interest.. This is a must.. Don't take cash back to pay progressive interest.. that's just poor financial planning... borrow to pay back interest..
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 16 2019, 10:35 PM)
Am not a specialist adviser.

But here's my take on the current property market climate. The first thing you will need in the current climate is good holding power as no matter what property you buy you need to be prepared for it to be vacant for longer than usual.

It is a good time to pick up cheap medium cost places that are near MRT/LRT/KTM stations. Positive cash flow investments but it will take some effort to manage. Are you eligible for a rumawip?? Quickly get one. One of these get on auction? Get it if it is on the cheap. There will always be demand for them.

Properties that are between RM500-700k, plenty of them about but only those near LRT/MRT stations need to be considered with the other exception being those close to major roads.

Properties between RM700k-1.5m, stay away unless it is a freehold, landed and you are keeping it for capital appreciation, only buy one if you have holding power and find one going for below market value. Condo in "atas" areas, only recent ones need to consider, everything else not worth it.

Properties >RM1.5m, this will typically be landed houses in well established neighbourhood. Rentals are crap on them but they will have capital appreciation value, find very basic but liveable condition units that are going for a bargain.

How I find properties on a bargain?
The 6 subsale I own :-
-2 were from my lawyer, was informed of the troubles of the buyer and if could help they had a properties to let go.
-2 were from my banker, 1 was a distress situation and another colleague migrating.
-2 were by an REA that I have a good relationship with and these 2 were basically owners been wanting to sell for a long time but couldn't sell and he informed me what were the magic numbers to close a deal and how to seal the deal.
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Speaking of Holding power, how much salary/disposable income considered as having good holding power for someone is new at this
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 16 2019, 10:35 PM)
Am not a specialist adviser.

But here's my take on the current property market climate. The first thing you will need in the current climate is good holding power as no matter what property you buy you need to be prepared for it to be vacant for longer than usual.

It is a good time to pick up cheap medium cost places that are near MRT/LRT/KTM stations. Positive cash flow investments but it will take some effort to manage. Are you eligible for a rumawip?? Quickly get one. One of these get on auction? Get it if it is on the cheap. There will always be demand for them.

Properties that are between RM500-700k, plenty of them about but only those near LRT/MRT stations need to be considered with the other exception being those close to major roads.

Properties between RM700k-1.5m, stay away unless it is a freehold, landed and you are keeping it for capital appreciation, only buy one if you have holding power and find one going for below market value. Condo in "atas" areas, only recent ones need to consider, everything else not worth it.

Properties >RM1.5m, this will typically be landed houses in well established neighbourhood. Rentals are crap on them but they will have capital appreciation value, find very basic but liveable condition units that are going for a bargain.

How I find properties on a bargain?
The 6 subsale I own :-
-2 were from my lawyer, was informed of the troubles of the buyer and if could help they had a properties to let go.
-2 were from my banker, 1 was a distress situation and another colleague migrating.
-2 were by an REA that I have a good relationship with and these 2 were basically owners been wanting to sell for a long time but couldn't sell and he informed me what were the magic numbers to close a deal and how to seal the deal.
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you have alot of good connection, lawyer and banker will know the info in a first hand quite good though.
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???.. When you buy undercon you have to service progressive interest.. This is a must.. Don't take cash back to pay progressive interest.. that's just poor financial planning... borrow to pay back interest..
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I know but someone was asking is it legal that developer to give cashback only after VP when buyer needs to pay progressive interest undercon. I was just explaining.
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Speaking of Holding power, how much salary/disposable income considered as having good holding power for someone is new at this
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That depends on your other commitments.

However as a whole try not to buy any property that is more than 100x your monthly income, that means if your salary is rm3k then rm300k is about your max you should consider.

Ideally your mortgage should not be more than 20% of your net income.

However if you are buying to invest acceptable to be up to 40% of net income but make sure you keep around 6 months payments in reserve at all times.
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QUOTE(Siao_Lang @ May 17 2019, 12:23 AM)
Whoever that says now is a bad time will always say this no matter what.. There is never a good time or bad time.

If you dont take risk you dont win.

There are always good buy properties. To be safe, always go for landed in city area, not ulu area.

New launch condo 400k and above, better dont see. Most are in non favourable area, small or low ROI and overpriced.
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Agreed, most people aren't property investors. Personally I view it that it is a good time to buy premium landed homes because never before in the last 30 years that you could bargain up to 1/3 off the listed price.

There are good deals out there and now is the time to be picky when it comes to buying especially if you have money to spend.

QUOTE(NZelectric00 @ May 17 2019, 09:08 AM)
Interesting take. Just wondering why "Quickly get one Rumawip". Yes, its cheap. But there could be risks of selling/renting out in the future because of change in government policy etc2? No?
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It is your one and only opportunity to buy a decent sized property in fairly decent locations. It may not appreciate in value by much but it will always be a positive cashflow investment. Otherwise it is a cheap place to live.

Policies will come, change and go, cross the bridge when you get to it.

QUOTE(emyght2016 @ May 17 2019, 11:06 AM)
if my memory serves me right, the only residential status high-rise inside kl sentral proper (the address and title), is suasana sentral.. or maybe the loft too..

suasana sentral has good sizes, many singaporeans bought into it, and the distinct feature of the loft is its sunken bath.. either way, carapark lots are premium here and problem too, some owners even rented out to office tenants occupying plaza sentral..
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There will be 3 residential status developments within the KL Sentral proper meaning it carrier a KL Sentral address and title. They are Suasana Sentral, Suasana Sentral Loft and the last one that is now under construction is KL Sentral Suites.

After KL Sentral Suites is completed there won't be any further residential development with a KL Sentral address. Everything else will be commercial only.

Actually all 3 of the residential developments have a lot of Sillyporean buyers. Many of them are weekend or holiday homes.

When I was buying a unit at Sentral Suites the SA suggested when I rent it out to rent the carpark separately or charge more in rental if renting with the carpark. Common practice it seems.

QUOTE(Kevxion @ May 17 2019, 12:00 PM)
under value how can we know is under value?
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If the project was launched sometime in the last 5-10 years, check out all the property reviews and you will know the launching price.

Otherwise there are many sites where you can find out the price trends of the house you are interested in.

QUOTE(Kevxion @ May 17 2019, 12:03 PM)
if for this current situation got 500k will you go for condo in city or out skirt landed from the town ?
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Depends where that out of town property is.

As a whole if you are buying it for your own stay better to buy the condo especially if you are working in the city, have family in the city and would mostly be in the city. Commuting does cost money and it will mean time away from family and loved ones.


QUOTE(Kevxion @ May 17 2019, 12:29 PM)
Riveria is come with affordable price, but psf is little high, i think that area can invest , how is the developer performance can share some ?
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Well you could visit H20 Residence at Ara Damansara and judge for yourself biggrin.gif I went in to a few units and hope the developer honours their DLP.

Riveria while near KL Sentral isn't a KL Sentral but more of a Brickfields development and must be priced in as such. In that respect I consider it an extremely expensive development.

QUOTE(Kevxion @ May 17 2019, 06:03 PM)
you have alot of good connection, lawyer and banker will know the info in a first hand quite good though.
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Do it long and often enough and you will have your own network of connections, been doing this for 16 years and counting. Probably do it for another 16 years smile.gif
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 18 2019, 01:18 AM)
Agreed, most people aren't property investors. Personally I view it that it is a good time to buy premium landed homes because never before in the last 30 years that you could bargain up to 1/3 off the listed price.

Do it long and often enough and you will have your own network of connections, been doing this for 16 years and counting. Probably do it for another 16 years smile.gif
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Question...wouldn't buying premium landed homes be considered risky since it's in the range of few millions and would be alot harder to sell (takes longer too) since the buyers' pool is alot smaller? Or are we looking at completely different target market (where such potential buyers do exist, need patience), hence, if you have the money and holding power to invest in this category of property, it would serve greater returns?

16 years! Man, we have lots to learn from you happy.gif"
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 17 2019, 10:23 AM)
Yeah, that Rivera is so expensive and has such high density, designed to milk every single drop off you like that. I remembered getting spam msgs from them last time promoting this.

True that a person doesn't need to live THAT close to the central. The only plus point I see is that the rentals to non-local people, mainly expats working nearby there would be ideal. But not many of those anymore.
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I forgot to mention earlier.

A point to note, vast majority of tenants for KL Sentral residential units aren't living there because of transportation links.

Vast majority live there because their office is in KL Sentral.

The numbers have been on the decline in recent months due to world and local economic climate as well as with more train lines you there are many more choices of places to live. It does not mean it would come to nought but it is becoming a bit competitive.
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 18 2019, 02:19 AM)
Question...wouldn't buying premium landed homes be considered risky since it's in the range of few millions and would be alot harder to sell (takes longer too) since the buyers' pool is alot smaller? Or are we looking at completely different target market (where such potential buyers do exist, need patience), hence, if you have the money and holding power to invest in this category of property, it would serve greater returns?

16 years! Man, we have lots to learn from you happy.gif"
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Here is an example of a Bangsar semi-d that belongs to my dad and me we bought 10 years ago. Good or bad of an investment you can tell me. All the numbers are taken from an Excel sheet we use to track all our property investments.

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Here is an example of a Bangsar semi-d that belongs to my dad and me we bought 10 years ago. Good or bad of an investment you can tell me. All the numbers are taken from an Excel sheet we use to track all our property investments. 

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Thanks for sharing this! You know potato got real when a person needs Excel to keep track of their properties happy.gif" I just finished reading through instead of sleeping cuz it's so interesting drool.gif

I can feel a little better on buying/owning landed houses concept...but I know it's a long way to figure it out. A question that came to mind, why was selling it at 4.6m wasn't an appeal to you? Was it due to the high rental from the 5-year contract you have? Why was refinancing it a more wise move?

Btw, it's real nice you've got such a supportive father, he cares but does not pamper so you got to learn and gain alot from whatever he throws at you.
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 19 2019, 03:33 AM)
Thanks for sharing this! You know potato got real when a person needs Excel to keep track of their properties happy.gif" I just finished reading through instead of sleeping cuz it's so interesting drool.gif
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Its important to keep track of your property investments.

Doesn't matter whether you own 1 or 100 properties.

Its very easy to lose track on your expenses especially when it comes to maintenance.


QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 19 2019, 03:33 AM)

I can feel a little better on buying/owning landed houses concept...but I know it's a long way to figure it out. A question that came to mind, why was selling it at 4.6m wasn't an appeal to you? Was it due to the high rental from the 5-year contract you have? Why was refinancing it a more wise move?
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These type of landed properties normally won't be your 1st or 2nd property. Once you start investing in this type of property what you will be asking is how to save on the interest.

Reason it wasn't sold? Simple, it isn't for sale at any price as it was not purchased for resale in mind.

Why refinancing it was a better move? How else am I supposed to find the money to buy 2 more semi-ds? smile.gif
Where do you think the money for the initial deposit and renovation works came from? biggrin.gif


QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 19 2019, 03:33 AM)

Btw, it's real nice you've got such a supportive father, he cares but does not pamper so you got to learn and gain alot from whatever he throws at you.
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That's his style and approach.

He made it very clear, there would be 0 inheritance for any of us. When he passes on, he is leaving absolutely everything to charity and scientific research.

His style of giving to his children? Either one of 2 ways :-

1) If it was an investment property he owns, after holding it for 10 years he would inform all his children usually on New Years Day which properties will be up for sale in April. He will sell it at launch price in AS IS condition (usually means how the developer finished it and how the tenants had thrashed it), you will need to find your own mortgage, first to pay gets it. After you pay for it house is yours you can do anything you want other than ask him for money to fix anything.

2) If there is a property that he thinks is a good deal, he will provide between 30-50% deposit and he will select one of us to finance the rest. He will then give you a budget but not reveal how much that budget is to get the house ready for a tenant, he will tell you that you have time but won't tell you when the deadline is to have a tenant in the house. He won't tell you what to do, how to do it and won't entertain any request for extra help. If you ask he will have a very simple answer "Figure it out. BYE" Once it is done he will come take a look, if he thought you over spent he will ask you to repay how much you overspent by and by when. He will take between 15-25% of the rental each month depending on how much you took from him for renovations and for 10 years.

I always thought it was a great way to do it but my half siblings hates him because they rather he just gave it to them unconditionally.
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Its important to keep track of your property investments.

Doesn't matter whether you own 1 or 100 properties.

Its very easy to lose track on your expenses especially when it comes to maintenance.
Ya, agree... especially when I'm not very number savvy and tends to lose sight of expenses easily. It's something I wish to improvise over the time and be more responsible towards myself if I wish to be better in investment.

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These type of landed properties normally won't be your 1st or 2nd property. Once you start investing in this type of property what you will be asking is how to save on the interest.
True for me. It's simply beyond reach and too heavy in commitment, also especially when there's no experience in landed. Plus, also won't have the need for own stay seeing I'm on my own.

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Why refinancing it was a better move? How else am I supposed to find the money to buy 2 more semi-ds? smile.gif
Where do you think the money for the initial deposit and renovation works came from? biggrin.gif
Haha, cuz I assumed you have a stash of cash readily available to extract from your vault, lol...
So, it's actually a good idea to refinance in order to obtain more money? Maybe cuz I never see 'refinancing' as a positive move, but slowly learning why people do that.

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That's his style and approach.

He made it very clear, there would be 0 inheritance for any of us. When he passes on, he is leaving absolutely everything to charity and scientific research.

His style of giving to his children? Either one of 2 ways :-

1) If it was an investment property he owns, after holding it for 10 years he would inform all his children usually on New Years Day which properties will be up for sale in April. He will sell it at launch price in AS IS condition (usually means how the developer finished it and how the tenants had thrashed it), you will need to find your own mortgage, first to pay gets it. After you pay for it house is yours you can do anything you want other than ask him for money to fix anything.

2) If there is a property that he thinks is a good deal, he will provide between 30-50% deposit and he will select one of us to finance the rest. He will then give you a budget but not reveal how much that budget is to get the house ready for a tenant, he will tell you that you have time but won't tell you when the deadline is to have a tenant in the house. He won't tell you what to do, how to do it and won't entertain any request for extra help. If you ask he will have a very simple answer "Figure it out. BYE" Once it is done he will come take a look, if he thought you over spent he will ask you to repay how much you overspent by and by when. He will take between 15-25% of the rental each month depending on how much you took from him for renovations and for 10 years.

I always thought it was a great way to do it but my half siblings hates him because they rather he just gave it to them unconditionally.
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I really envy you having such good father who doesn't spoil you guys and instead teaches you lifelong knowledge, survivability skills and shouldering responsibilities rather than being spoon-fed.
I always find people who does not give inheritance quite admirable because there are many self-entitled individuals especially kids nowadays. Just a feedback based on general view smile.gif

Which of his two ways do you normally go for?

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Ya, agree... especially when I'm not very number savvy and tends to lose sight of expenses easily. It's something I wish to improvise over the time and be more responsible towards myself if I wish to be better in investment.
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Never too late or old to learn.

Read up on personal financial management plenty of good resources online these days.

Also try to follow some of the FI/RE movements. You do get some good insights from it here and there.

Oh yes and always be careful of scammers such as those selling forex/money/stock games smile.gif

QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 19 2019, 11:42 PM)

True for me. It's simply beyond reach and too heavy in commitment, also especially when there's no experience in landed. Plus, also won't have the need for own stay seeing I'm on my own.

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I always teach when asked that each person should have 4 or more properties.
1 to live in.
1 for retirement income.
1 for savings.
1 for contingencies/emergencies.

Only 1 of those properties should be a landed and ideally a single storey.

If you have no one to pass it on to then do consider leasehold that can command good rental yields for 2 of those properties.

QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 19 2019, 11:42 PM)
Haha, cuz I assumed you have a stash of cash readily available to extract from your vault, lol...
So, it's actually a good idea to refinance in order to obtain more money? Maybe cuz I never see 'refinancing' as a positive move, but slowly learning why people do that.
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I don't have much cash on me at any one time. In fact at any one time between my missus and me we don't have more than RM200 between us in physical cash. Any extra cash we have after paying for our needs we always park it into one of our flexi-mortgage accounts to reduce interest.

Refinancing a property can be a good idea for the following reasons :-
1) Buying another property (either low LTV or fully paid off)
2) Buying good stocks.
3) Investing into a genuine business.
4) Investing in yourself (Qualifications to earn more money)

Refinancing a property isn't a good idea in the following reasons :-
1) Buying into skim cepat kayas.
2) Buying into forex/money game scams.
3) Buying a fancy car (unless it is a classic car that is appreciating in value)
4) Buying a property with high LTV.

QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 19 2019, 11:42 PM)
I really envy you having such good father who doesn't spoil you guys and instead teaches you lifelong knowledge, survivability skills and shouldering responsibilities rather than being spoon-fed.
I always find people who does not give inheritance quite admirable because there are many self-entitled individuals especially kids nowadays. Just a feedback based on general view smile.gif

Which of his two ways do you normally go for?
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Just a correction there, he never taught us any of the skills, we have to learn it on our own. He taught us you make a mess you go clean it up. Don't know how to clean it up, then you better learn or you will have another mess to clean up after that. Very plain, very clean and very simple.

I have no complaints on what he wants to do with his money, the keyword being it is HIS money.
Yes many young ones are absolute self-entitled brats these days. While I empathise with many of them some of them are just pure spoiled brats and you don't even need to look into wealthy families to find these brats.

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Which of his two ways do you normally go for?
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I took on 3 "rough gems" 1 was this Bangsar semi-d, 1 was 22x80 DSL house in Damansara that the previous owner started renovating and ran out of money to finish and the final one was a bungalow in TTDI that had extensive fire damage, owner took the insurance money and did not want to rebuild instead sold it on the cheap.
I took 2 that I bought at launch price from him that were in decent condition.
I took on 1 of his condo at under launch price from him because it had been badly damaged by the tenant.

My elder half sister took on 1 at launch price, a 5 year old condo in MK that she renovated it till it was really one of a kind to live in. She took on 1 "rough gem" a condo in MK, was a basic unit, she took money to renovate and gave it a top of the range ID job. Only problem is the old man said she overspent by RM200k and told her to repay the amount she overspent. She sold both her condos to buy up that TTDI bungalow that I had rebuilt. Sold it to her at a profit but below market value.

The younger half sister took 2 at launch price and sold both of them almost instantaneously, both were condos at MK as well. Last year she and her husband bought the Damansara house from me which the old man asked me to sell to them at below market value in exchange to take on that condo that he sold to me at below launch price. Did not really want to sell but difficult to say no to this type of request.

Now he has 2 more condos in TTDI, its his final 2 investment properties, both are nice units and selling at launch price. When I refinanced the Bangsar house and the deal to buy the neighbour unit fell through I offered to buy both units from him but he said I should buy the 2 semi-ds instead and let the 2 girls have a chance to own an investment property. Only problem is this was in February, they are still fighting because 1 faces the park, 1 faces the pool and they both want the unit that faces the park.
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Never too late or old to learn.

Read up on personal financial management plenty of good resources online these days.

Also try to follow some of the FI/RE movements. You do get some good insights from it here and there.

Oh yes and always be careful of scammers such as those selling forex/money/stock games smile.gif
Ya, I believe in 'live till old, learn till old'...of those I've been exploring in recent years, I found that it'll take me ages to understand stocks-stuffs, so I won't do crazy things with them, no certainties too in returns.

I do find that I naturally lean towards educating myself in property, since I quite like it for I could see something tangible...and does appreciate in value (unless you get real crap ones).

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I always teach when asked that each person should have 4 or more properties.
1 to live in.
1 for retirement income.
1 for savings.
1 for contingencies/emergencies.

Only 1 of those properties should be a landed and ideally a single storey.
Thanks, I'll try to match this target someday if I could happy.gif
Why is single storey preferable yea? Easier to sell?

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I don't have much cash on me at any one time. In fact at any one time between my missus and me we don't have more than RM200 between us in physical cash. Any extra cash we have after paying for our needs we always park it into one of our flexi-mortgage accounts to reduce interest.
One question...if you have 100k, will you choose to put in FD-like or dump all into your flexi-mortgage? Sorry if this is a silly one cuz I'm not familiar with mortgage concepts we have (full, semi, flexi, etc.) I've learnt we can somewhat put in however much $ we have, saving interest/reducing tenure in the process (till you have to withdraw them again), is that what you meant?

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Refinancing a property can be a good idea for the following reasons :-
1) Buying another property (either low LTV or fully paid off)
2) Buying good stocks.
3) Investing into a genuine business.
4) Investing in yourself (Qualifications to earn more money)

Refinancing a property isn't a good idea in the following reasons :-
1) Buying into skim cepat kayas.
2) Buying into forex/money game scams.
3) Buying a fancy car (unless it is a classic car that is appreciating in value)
4) Buying a property with high LTV.
I'm taking this to heart, thanks for providing a clearer thought of refinancing for me. Especially first point.

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Just a correction there, he never taught us any of the skills, we have to learn it on our own. He taught us you make a mess you go clean it up. Don't know how to clean it up, then you better learn or you will have another mess to clean up after that. Very plain, very clean and very simple.

I have no complaints on what he wants to do with his money, the keyword being it is HIS money.
Champion, lol...very tough, but works really well to groom his children, I'd imagine.

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Now he has 2 more condos in TTDI, its his final 2 investment properties, both are nice units and selling at launch price. When I refinanced the Bangsar house and the deal to buy the neighbour unit fell through I offered to buy both units from him but he said I should buy the 2 semi-ds instead and let the 2 girls have a chance to own an investment property. Only problem is this was in February, they are still fighting because 1 faces the park, 1 faces the pool and they both want the unit that faces the park.
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Lol, ladies...it's pretty hard to get them into making decision fast, haha...it's nice that you let go of the earlier property for your sis too. But I think you have higher chance to find similar properties in the future compared with them, so your father needs to help them out somewhat smile.gif

Thank you very much for your valuable sharing, very interesting as always!
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QUOTE(Lescotesco @ May 17 2019, 02:35 PM)
is rawang near anggun city or rawang aeon considered as ulu area? interested in a double storey landed there
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my friend have bought one prop over there call desa country home , 550k after discount



QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 20 2019, 02:46 AM)
Never too late or old to learn.

Read up on personal financial management plenty of good resources online these days.

Also try to follow some of the FI/RE movements. You do get some good insights from it here and there.

Oh yes and always be careful of scammers such as those selling forex/money/stock games smile.gif
I always teach when asked that each person should have 4 or more properties.
1 to live in.
1 for retirement income.
1 for savings.
1 for contingencies/emergencies.

Only 1 of those properties should be a landed and ideally a single storey.

If you have no one to pass it on to then do consider leasehold that can command good rental yields for 2 of those properties.
I don't have much cash on me at any one time. In fact at any one time between my missus and me we don't have more than RM200 between us in physical cash. Any extra cash we have after paying for our needs we always park it into one of our flexi-mortgage accounts to reduce interest.

Refinancing a property can be a good idea for the following reasons :-
1) Buying another property (either low LTV or fully paid off)
2) Buying good stocks.
3) Investing into a genuine business.
4) Investing in yourself (Qualifications to earn more money)

Refinancing a property isn't a good idea in the following reasons :-
1) Buying into skim cepat kayas.
2) Buying into forex/money game scams.
3) Buying a fancy car (unless it is a classic car that is appreciating in value)
4) Buying a property with high LTV.
Just a correction there, he never taught us any of the skills, we have to learn it on our own. He taught us you make a mess you go clean it up. Don't know how to clean it up, then you better learn or you will have another mess to clean up after that. Very plain, very clean and very simple.

I have no complaints on what he wants to do with his money, the keyword being it is HIS money.
Yes many young ones are absolute self-entitled brats these days. While I empathise with many of them some of them are just pure spoiled brats and you don't even need to look into wealthy families to find these brats.
I took on 3 "rough gems" 1 was this Bangsar semi-d, 1 was 22x80 DSL house in Damansara that the previous owner started renovating and ran out of money to finish and the final one was a bungalow in TTDI that had extensive fire damage, owner took the insurance money and did not want to rebuild instead sold it on the cheap.
I took 2 that I bought at launch price from him that were in decent condition.
I took on 1 of his condo at under launch price from him because it had been badly damaged by the tenant.

My elder half sister took on 1 at launch price, a 5 year old condo in MK that she renovated it till it was really one of a kind to live in. She took on 1 "rough gem" a condo in MK, was a basic unit, she took money to renovate and gave it a top of the range ID job. Only problem is the old man said she overspent by RM200k and told her to repay the amount she overspent. She sold both her condos to buy up that TTDI bungalow that I had rebuilt. Sold it to her at a profit but below market value.

The younger half sister took 2 at launch price and sold both of them almost instantaneously, both were condos at MK as well. Last year she and her husband bought the Damansara house from me which the old man asked me to sell to them at below market value in exchange to take on that condo that he sold to me at below launch price. Did not really want to sell but difficult to say no to this type of request.

Now he has 2 more condos in TTDI, its his final 2 investment properties, both are nice units and selling at launch price. When I refinanced the Bangsar house and the deal to buy the neighbour unit fell through I offered to buy both units from him but he said I should buy the 2 semi-ds instead and let the 2 girls have a chance to own an investment property. Only problem is this was in February, they are still fighting because 1 faces the park, 1 faces the pool and they both want the unit that faces the park.
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this look complicated @@, nid some time to absorb
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 18 2019, 01:18 AM)
Agreed, most people aren't property investors. Personally I view it that it is a good time to buy premium landed homes because never before in the last 30 years that you could bargain up to 1/3 off the listed price.

There are good deals out there and now is the time to be picky when it comes to buying especially if you have money to spend.
It is your one and only opportunity to buy a decent sized property in fairly decent locations. It may not appreciate in value by much but it will always be a positive cashflow investment. Otherwise it is a cheap place to live.

Policies will come, change and go, cross the bridge when you get to it.
There will be 3 residential status developments within the KL Sentral proper meaning it carrier a KL Sentral address and title. They are Suasana Sentral, Suasana Sentral Loft and the last one that is now under construction is KL Sentral Suites.

After KL Sentral Suites is completed there won't be any further residential development with a KL Sentral address. Everything else will be commercial only.

Actually all 3 of the residential developments have a lot of Sillyporean buyers. Many of them are weekend or holiday homes.

When I was buying a unit at Sentral Suites the SA suggested when I rent it out to rent the carpark separately or charge more in rental if renting with the carpark. Common practice it seems.
If the project was launched sometime in the last 5-10 years, check out all the property reviews and you will know the launching price.

Otherwise there are many sites where you can find out the price trends of the house you are interested in.
Depends where that out of town property is.

As a whole if you are buying it for your own stay better to buy the condo especially if you are working in the city, have family in the city and would mostly be in the city. Commuting does cost money and it will mean time away from family and loved ones.
Well you could visit H20 Residence at Ara Damansara and judge for yourself biggrin.gif I went in to a few units and hope the developer honours their DLP.

Riveria while near KL Sentral isn't a KL Sentral but more of a Brickfields development and must be priced in as such. In that respect I consider it an extremely expensive development.
Do it long and often enough and you will have your own network of connections, been doing this for 16 years and counting. Probably do it for another 16 years smile.gif
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 18 2019, 01:18 AM)
Agreed, most people aren't property investors. Personally I view it that it is a good time to buy premium landed homes because never before in the last 30 years that you could bargain up to 1/3 off the listed price.

There are good deals out there and now is the time to be picky when it comes to buying especially if you have money to spend.
It is your one and only opportunity to buy a decent sized property in fairly decent locations. It may not appreciate in value by much but it will always be a positive cashflow investment. Otherwise it is a cheap place to live.

Policies will come, change and go, cross the bridge when you get to it.
There will be 3 residential status developments within the KL Sentral proper meaning it carrier a KL Sentral address and title. They are Suasana Sentral, Suasana Sentral Loft and the last one that is now under construction is KL Sentral Suites.

After KL Sentral Suites is completed there won't be any further residential development with a KL Sentral address. Everything else will be commercial only.

Actually all 3 of the residential developments have a lot of Sillyporean buyers. Many of them are weekend or holiday homes.

When I was buying a unit at Sentral Suites the SA suggested when I rent it out to rent the carpark separately or charge more in rental if renting with the carpark. Common practice it seems.
If the project was launched sometime in the last 5-10 years, check out all the property reviews and you will know the launching price.

Otherwise there are many sites where you can find out the price trends of the house you are interested in.
Depends where that out of town property is.

As a whole if you are buying it for your own stay better to buy the condo especially if you are working in the city, have family in the city and would mostly be in the city. Commuting does cost money and it will mean time away from family and loved ones.
Well you could visit H20 Residence at Ara Damansara and judge for yourself biggrin.gif I went in to a few units and hope the developer honours their DLP.

Riveria while near KL Sentral isn't a KL Sentral but more of a Brickfields development and must be priced in as such. In that respect I consider it an extremely expensive development.
Do it long and often enough and you will have your own network of connections, been doing this for 16 years and counting. Probably do it for another 16 years smile.gif
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there sound good , need to do much study regarding for tat
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 21 2019, 01:32 AM)
Ya, I believe in 'live till old, learn till old'...of those I've been exploring in recent years, I found that it'll take me ages to understand stocks-stuffs, so I won't do crazy things with them, no certainties too in returns.

I do find that I naturally lean towards educating myself in property, since I quite like it for I could see something tangible...and does appreciate in value (unless you get real crap ones).
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I'm not saying real estate is the absolute best way to invest but it is one of the better ones out there.

Stocks, currently unless you can second guess what Xi Jin Ping and Donald Trump's next moves are you better keep your money in your pocket.

There are also too many school of thoughts out there that makes it very difficult to learn other than through years of experience and also with money you won't cry if it is wiped out.


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Thanks, I'll try to match this target someday if I could happy.gif
Why is single storey preferable yea? Easier to sell?
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There are several many good reasons for a single storey and many of it very practical reasons. Here are some of the reasons :-

1) It will always be in demand, in this country it is 50% Malay and when they could afford it this is what they would rent especially when there are 3 generations living under the same roof. It will definitely be easier to sell or rent out.
2) Practical, one day you may have aged parents that comes to live with you or you may be in a situation where you can no longer climb stairs, what else beats a single storey terrace house, get out of your car and open your door and you are home. You could say the same about a condo but have you tried unloading your groceries when you live in a condo or a flat pack furniture you bought from IKEA?
3) They aren't being built in big numbers any longer so demand for them can only go up. Tends to be located in more mature neighbourhoods as well.
4) They are usually cheaper to buy than an equivalent DSL house with the same land size. If you are on your own why do you need a 2nd storey? This also means rental yields on them will be fairly good. The lower prices on them won't remain forever though.
5) Cheaper to renovate and modernise. An average 22x70 single storey terrace assuming it is a time warp special to 1970s or 1980s, RM50k should make it to be a very nice house that would be in good condition for at least 30 years and if you know where and how to make your money work harder for you it would be enough to even furnish it. You will need 2-3x that amount if it is a double storey house.


QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 21 2019, 01:32 AM)

One question...if you have 100k, will you choose to put in FD-like or dump all into your flexi-mortgage? Sorry if this is a silly one cuz I'm not familiar with mortgage concepts we have (full, semi, flexi, etc.) I've learnt we can somewhat put in however much $ we have, saving interest/reducing tenure in the process (till you have to withdraw them again), is that what you meant?
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I usually buy a place only with full-flexi mortgage. That Bangsar semi-d for example was purchased by a full flexi 15 year mortgage. Each month the mandated repayments are RM4329. However every month I would pay in RM580 extra towards the principal amount. (From the rental while my dad took the rest)

On the 10th year, it was 4 payments away from the mortgage being settled in full and was remortgaged.

As for what I'd be doing with RM100k? I would definitely be parking money into all my mortgages.


QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 21 2019, 01:32 AM)

I'm taking this to heart, thanks for providing a clearer thought of refinancing for me. Especially first point.
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Great, its actually called leverage. Do it while you are still young where you could qualify for longer term mortgages, once you hit 45 the term of your mortgage starts to reduce. Also best to do it when you have income from a job that every month there is a fixed salary especially if you foresee in future you may have to take a pay cut for whatever reason.

QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 21 2019, 01:32 AM)
Champion, lol...very tough, but works really well to groom his children, I'd imagine.
Lol, ladies...it's pretty hard to get them into making decision fast, haha...it's nice that you let go of the earlier property for your sis too. But I think you have higher chance to find similar properties in the future compared with them, so your father needs to help them out somewhat smile.gif

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Well I viewed it as favouritism smile.gif


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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 21 2019, 11:44 PM)

I usually buy a place only with full-flexi mortgage. That Bangsar semi-d for example was purchased by a full flexi 15 year mortgage. Each month the mandated repayments are RM4329. However every month I would pay in RM580 extra towards the principal amount. (From the rental while my dad took the rest)

On the 10th year, it was 4 payments away from the mortgage being settled in full and was remortgaged.

Sorry if this is a silly one cuz I'm not familiar with mortgage concepts. Just wanted to know more. only Full Flexi can reduce the loan tenure with advance payment. Can we do the same with Semi Flexi loan??
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QUOTE(yeddy7 @ May 22 2019, 06:23 PM)
Sorry if this is a silly one cuz I'm not familiar with mortgage concepts. Just wanted to know more. only Full Flexi can reduce the loan tenure with advance payment. Can we do the same with Semi Flexi loan??
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There isn't a 1 size fit all answer as different banks give different meanings to the term "flexi" and now am finding out there are also differences between how a bank defines "full flexi" as well.



As a whole, most if not all with the term "flexi" in it you can do some advance payments to reduce your loan tenure but some now even on a full flexi will limit the amount of payments you could make.


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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 22 2019, 08:31 PM)
There isn't a 1 size fit all answer as different banks give different meanings to the term "flexi" and now am finding out there are also differences between how a bank defines "full flexi" as well.
As a whole, most if not all with the term "flexi" in it you can do some advance payments to reduce your loan tenure but some now even on a full flexi will limit the amount of payments you could make.
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 21 2019, 11:44 PM)
I'm not saying real estate is the absolute best way to invest but it is one of the better ones out there.

Stocks, currently unless you can second guess what Xi Jin Ping and Donald Trump's next moves are you better keep your money in your pocket.
Ya, the current climate is one of the worst to try venture into stocks. There's no patterns, clear signals to pick up...cuz your future lies in the tiny hands of Trump.

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There are also too many school of thoughts out there that makes it very difficult to learn other than through years of experience and also with money you won't cry if it is wiped out.
Fully agree. And unless a person's natural with economy, for me, I'd rather put my money into something more tangible while gaining knowledge in a more real space. So, I'm happy for those who are good in that.

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There are several many good reasons for a single storey and many of it very practical reasons. Here are some of the reasons :-

1) It will always be in demand, in this country it is 50% Malay and when they could afford it this is what they would rent especially when there are 3 generations living under the same roof. It will definitely be easier to sell or rent out.
2) Practical, one day you may have aged parents that comes to live with you or you may be in a situation where you can no longer climb stairs, what else beats a single storey terrace house, get out of your car and open your door and you are home. You could say the same about a condo but have you tried unloading your groceries when you live in a condo or a flat pack furniture you bought from IKEA?
3) They aren't being built in big numbers any longer so demand for them can only go up. Tends to be located in more mature neighbourhoods as well.
4) They are usually cheaper to buy than an equivalent DSL house with the same land size. If you are on your own why do you need a 2nd storey? This also means rental yields on them will be fairly good. The lower prices on them won't remain forever though.
5) Cheaper to renovate and modernise. An average 22x70 single storey terrace assuming it is a time warp special to 1970s or 1980s, RM50k should make it to be a very nice house that would be in good condition for at least 30 years and if you know where and how to make your money work harder for you it would be enough to even furnish it. You will need 2-3x that amount if it is a double storey house.
Thanks for your insights...does seem to make alot of sense.
I know you've done quite a bit on landed and how it can be worth your efforts...but can I know what you think of aged landed houses in general? They normally require refurbishment or major renovation - will banks/people view it as old in anyway that can serve as a disadvantage? Is there a cut-off age for landed that you will not consider?

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Well I viewed it as favouritism smile.gif
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 23 2019, 12:27 AM)

Thanks for your insights...does seem to make alot of sense.
I know you've done quite a bit on landed and how it can be worth your efforts...but can I know what you think of aged landed houses in general? They normally require refurbishment or major renovation - will banks/people view it as old in anyway that can serve as a disadvantage? Is there a cut-off age for landed that you will not consider?
Awww... +_+
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My advice on buying single storey houses :-

Aged homes, let me get a few things straight first, the only real renovation required as a house ages is to update the wiring and plumbing, both of which these days can be done without costing an arm and a leg. Maybe the roof could do with a replacement and if you do take the opportunity to insulate it as well, it isn't really considered major renovations. Everything else is considered a want rather than a need smile.gif

I don't really recommend buying a house that has had extensive renovations for extra money. Heard of the term shiny mess? If you haven't what it means is sure you have a nice extension but do you know if the extension was properly built? Sure you have a nicely tiled up bathroom and floors, however do you know for sure if it was properly done? The seller may claim it has new plumbing and wiring but how do you know for sure? The answer is you will never know, hence I would never buy a nicely renovated place at a premium.

As for buying an aged house. If it is a freehold, as long as it is made from bricks in a halfway decent location I won't worry too much about its age. No issues with bank loans. If you get one for investment don't fix what is not broken just rent it out as it is. If it is for your own stay do up the plumbing, roof and wiring first everything else as and when you have extra money to spend.

If it is a leasehold, if you are 30 years old today then the lease must have 70 years remaining. If you are 40 then there must be 60 years remaining. Loans, usually not an issue if it is 80 years tenure remaining, if it is less than that you may face some issues getting loans for it especially if it is less than 60 years remaining, you will find the margin of finance goes down significantly to reflect that the value of the land lease has reduced.
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 23 2019, 01:10 AM)
My advice on buying single storey houses :-

Aged homes, let me get a few things straight first, the only real renovation required as a house ages is to update the wiring and plumbing, both of which these days can be done without costing an arm and a leg. Maybe the roof could do with a replacement and if you do take the opportunity to insulate it as well, it isn't really considered major renovations. Everything else is considered a want rather than a need smile.gif

I don't really recommend buying a house that has had extensive renovations for extra money. Heard of the term shiny mess? If you haven't what it means is sure you have a nice extension but do you know if the extension was properly built? Sure you have a nicely tiled up bathroom and floors, however do you know for sure if it was properly done? The seller may claim it has new plumbing and wiring but how do you know for sure? The answer is you will never know, hence I would never buy a nicely renovated place at a premium.
Alright, I hear you...sometimes it's not necessary for our own good.
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As for buying an aged house. If it is a freehold, as long as it is made from bricks in a halfway decent location I won't worry too much about its age. No issues with bank loans. If you get one for investment don't fix what is not broken just rent it out as it is. If it is for your own stay do up the plumbing, roof and wiring first everything else as and when you have extra money to spend.
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