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post May 16 2019, 09:11 PM

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Does the saying of, there will never a good/bad time to buy properties, the time is now...still holds?

Because it's like year after year, everyone keeps saying market is bad, don't buy. Or market is bad, so must buy. Would it actually be the case of if you have money, right feels over it, then buy?
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post May 17 2019, 01:57 AM

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I'll ask this here cuz don't wanna start a new thread on what could be an easy answer. I noticed that most active threads and discussions here don't touch on KL Sentral properties...why yea? It's the hub of our stations, most convenient... nobody's looking at anything there?
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post May 17 2019, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(boyslikeboys @ May 17 2019, 01:58 AM)
Because they are out of reach for most. Simple.
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 17 2019, 02:36 AM)
Currently there are 2 new KL Sentral properties.
1) Sentral Suites.
2) Riveria.

Sentral Suites mostly sold out so nothing much to talk about. It is also quite an expensive development. This is the only real KL Sentral development as the rest are Brickfields. It is also the last one as after this there would be no more further KL Sentral residential development.

Riveria? This isn't a residential development and doesn't carry a KL Sentral address.

As for why other developments don't get talked about much?

1) Cost, very high average prices.
2) Rarity, good units rarely ever come on the market.
3) The area lacks vibrancy and for the most part much of it are slums.
4) Most people have little need to live close to 7 rail lines and therefore opt to live elsewhere where it is more conducive.
5) Rentals may be high but occupancy rates aren't that fantastic.
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Yeah, that Rivera is so expensive and has such high density, designed to milk every single drop off you like that. I remembered getting spam msgs from them last time promoting this.

True that a person doesn't need to live THAT close to the central. The only plus point I see is that the rentals to non-local people, mainly expats working nearby there would be ideal. But not many of those anymore.

QUOTE(lollipopkan @ May 17 2019, 02:50 AM)
Whether its for ownstay or investment, there are better options than kl sentral area.
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post May 18 2019, 02:19 AM

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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 18 2019, 01:18 AM)
Agreed, most people aren't property investors. Personally I view it that it is a good time to buy premium landed homes because never before in the last 30 years that you could bargain up to 1/3 off the listed price.

Do it long and often enough and you will have your own network of connections, been doing this for 16 years and counting. Probably do it for another 16 years smile.gif
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Question...wouldn't buying premium landed homes be considered risky since it's in the range of few millions and would be alot harder to sell (takes longer too) since the buyers' pool is alot smaller? Or are we looking at completely different target market (where such potential buyers do exist, need patience), hence, if you have the money and holding power to invest in this category of property, it would serve greater returns?

16 years! Man, we have lots to learn from you happy.gif"
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post May 19 2019, 03:33 AM

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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 19 2019, 02:26 AM)
Here is an example of a Bangsar semi-d that belongs to my dad and me we bought 10 years ago. Good or bad of an investment you can tell me. All the numbers are taken from an Excel sheet we use to track all our property investments. 

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Thanks for sharing this! You know potato got real when a person needs Excel to keep track of their properties happy.gif" I just finished reading through instead of sleeping cuz it's so interesting drool.gif

I can feel a little better on buying/owning landed houses concept...but I know it's a long way to figure it out. A question that came to mind, why was selling it at 4.6m wasn't an appeal to you? Was it due to the high rental from the 5-year contract you have? Why was refinancing it a more wise move?

Btw, it's real nice you've got such a supportive father, he cares but does not pamper so you got to learn and gain alot from whatever he throws at you.
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post May 19 2019, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 19 2019, 10:06 PM)
Its important to keep track of your property investments.

Doesn't matter whether you own 1 or 100 properties.

Its very easy to lose track on your expenses especially when it comes to maintenance.
Ya, agree... especially when I'm not very number savvy and tends to lose sight of expenses easily. It's something I wish to improvise over the time and be more responsible towards myself if I wish to be better in investment.

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These type of landed properties normally won't be your 1st or 2nd property. Once you start investing in this type of property what you will be asking is how to save on the interest.
True for me. It's simply beyond reach and too heavy in commitment, also especially when there's no experience in landed. Plus, also won't have the need for own stay seeing I'm on my own.

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Why refinancing it was a better move? How else am I supposed to find the money to buy 2 more semi-ds? smile.gif
Where do you think the money for the initial deposit and renovation works came from? biggrin.gif
Haha, cuz I assumed you have a stash of cash readily available to extract from your vault, lol...
So, it's actually a good idea to refinance in order to obtain more money? Maybe cuz I never see 'refinancing' as a positive move, but slowly learning why people do that.

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That's his style and approach.

He made it very clear, there would be 0 inheritance for any of us. When he passes on, he is leaving absolutely everything to charity and scientific research.

His style of giving to his children? Either one of 2 ways :-

1) If it was an investment property he owns, after holding it for 10 years he would inform all his children usually on New Years Day which properties will be up for sale in April. He will sell it at launch price in AS IS condition (usually means how the developer finished it and how the tenants had thrashed it), you will need to find your own mortgage, first to pay gets it. After you pay for it house is yours you can do anything you want other than ask him for money to fix anything.

2) If there is a property that he thinks is a good deal, he will provide between 30-50% deposit and he will select one of us to finance the rest. He will then give you a budget but not reveal how much that budget is to get the house ready for a tenant, he will tell you that you have time but won't tell you when the deadline is to have a tenant in the house. He won't tell you what to do, how to do it and won't entertain any request for extra help. If you ask he will have a very simple answer "Figure it out. BYE" Once it is done he will come take a look, if he thought you over spent he will ask you to repay how much you overspent by and by when. He will take between 15-25% of the rental each month depending on how much you took from him for renovations and for 10 years.

I always thought it was a great way to do it but my half siblings hates him because they rather he just gave it to them unconditionally.
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I really envy you having such good father who doesn't spoil you guys and instead teaches you lifelong knowledge, survivability skills and shouldering responsibilities rather than being spoon-fed.
I always find people who does not give inheritance quite admirable because there are many self-entitled individuals especially kids nowadays. Just a feedback based on general view smile.gif

Which of his two ways do you normally go for?

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post May 21 2019, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 20 2019, 02:46 AM)
Never too late or old to learn.

Read up on personal financial management plenty of good resources online these days.

Also try to follow some of the FI/RE movements. You do get some good insights from it here and there.

Oh yes and always be careful of scammers such as those selling forex/money/stock games smile.gif
Ya, I believe in 'live till old, learn till old'...of those I've been exploring in recent years, I found that it'll take me ages to understand stocks-stuffs, so I won't do crazy things with them, no certainties too in returns.

I do find that I naturally lean towards educating myself in property, since I quite like it for I could see something tangible...and does appreciate in value (unless you get real crap ones).

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I always teach when asked that each person should have 4 or more properties.
1 to live in.
1 for retirement income.
1 for savings.
1 for contingencies/emergencies.

Only 1 of those properties should be a landed and ideally a single storey.
Thanks, I'll try to match this target someday if I could happy.gif
Why is single storey preferable yea? Easier to sell?

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I don't have much cash on me at any one time. In fact at any one time between my missus and me we don't have more than RM200 between us in physical cash. Any extra cash we have after paying for our needs we always park it into one of our flexi-mortgage accounts to reduce interest.
One question...if you have 100k, will you choose to put in FD-like or dump all into your flexi-mortgage? Sorry if this is a silly one cuz I'm not familiar with mortgage concepts we have (full, semi, flexi, etc.) I've learnt we can somewhat put in however much $ we have, saving interest/reducing tenure in the process (till you have to withdraw them again), is that what you meant?

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Refinancing a property can be a good idea for the following reasons :-
1) Buying another property (either low LTV or fully paid off)
2) Buying good stocks.
3) Investing into a genuine business.
4) Investing in yourself (Qualifications to earn more money)

Refinancing a property isn't a good idea in the following reasons :-
1) Buying into skim cepat kayas.
2) Buying into forex/money game scams.
3) Buying a fancy car (unless it is a classic car that is appreciating in value)
4) Buying a property with high LTV.
I'm taking this to heart, thanks for providing a clearer thought of refinancing for me. Especially first point.

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Just a correction there, he never taught us any of the skills, we have to learn it on our own. He taught us you make a mess you go clean it up. Don't know how to clean it up, then you better learn or you will have another mess to clean up after that. Very plain, very clean and very simple.

I have no complaints on what he wants to do with his money, the keyword being it is HIS money.
Champion, lol...very tough, but works really well to groom his children, I'd imagine.

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Now he has 2 more condos in TTDI, its his final 2 investment properties, both are nice units and selling at launch price. When I refinanced the Bangsar house and the deal to buy the neighbour unit fell through I offered to buy both units from him but he said I should buy the 2 semi-ds instead and let the 2 girls have a chance to own an investment property. Only problem is this was in February, they are still fighting because 1 faces the park, 1 faces the pool and they both want the unit that faces the park.
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Lol, ladies...it's pretty hard to get them into making decision fast, haha...it's nice that you let go of the earlier property for your sis too. But I think you have higher chance to find similar properties in the future compared with them, so your father needs to help them out somewhat smile.gif

Thank you very much for your valuable sharing, very interesting as always!
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post May 23 2019, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 21 2019, 11:44 PM)
I'm not saying real estate is the absolute best way to invest but it is one of the better ones out there.

Stocks, currently unless you can second guess what Xi Jin Ping and Donald Trump's next moves are you better keep your money in your pocket.
Ya, the current climate is one of the worst to try venture into stocks. There's no patterns, clear signals to pick up...cuz your future lies in the tiny hands of Trump.

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There are also too many school of thoughts out there that makes it very difficult to learn other than through years of experience and also with money you won't cry if it is wiped out.
Fully agree. And unless a person's natural with economy, for me, I'd rather put my money into something more tangible while gaining knowledge in a more real space. So, I'm happy for those who are good in that.

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There are several many good reasons for a single storey and many of it very practical reasons. Here are some of the reasons :-

1) It will always be in demand, in this country it is 50% Malay and when they could afford it this is what they would rent especially when there are 3 generations living under the same roof. It will definitely be easier to sell or rent out.
2) Practical, one day you may have aged parents that comes to live with you or you may be in a situation where you can no longer climb stairs, what else beats a single storey terrace house, get out of your car and open your door and you are home. You could say the same about a condo but have you tried unloading your groceries when you live in a condo or a flat pack furniture you bought from IKEA?
3) They aren't being built in big numbers any longer so demand for them can only go up. Tends to be located in more mature neighbourhoods as well.
4) They are usually cheaper to buy than an equivalent DSL house with the same land size. If you are on your own why do you need a 2nd storey? This also means rental yields on them will be fairly good. The lower prices on them won't remain forever though.
5) Cheaper to renovate and modernise. An average 22x70 single storey terrace assuming it is a time warp special to 1970s or 1980s, RM50k should make it to be a very nice house that would be in good condition for at least 30 years and if you know where and how to make your money work harder for you it would be enough to even furnish it. You will need 2-3x that amount if it is a double storey house.
Thanks for your insights...does seem to make alot of sense.
I know you've done quite a bit on landed and how it can be worth your efforts...but can I know what you think of aged landed houses in general? They normally require refurbishment or major renovation - will banks/people view it as old in anyway that can serve as a disadvantage? Is there a cut-off age for landed that you will not consider?

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Well I viewed it as favouritism smile.gif
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post May 23 2019, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 23 2019, 01:10 AM)
My advice on buying single storey houses :-

Aged homes, let me get a few things straight first, the only real renovation required as a house ages is to update the wiring and plumbing, both of which these days can be done without costing an arm and a leg. Maybe the roof could do with a replacement and if you do take the opportunity to insulate it as well, it isn't really considered major renovations. Everything else is considered a want rather than a need smile.gif

I don't really recommend buying a house that has had extensive renovations for extra money. Heard of the term shiny mess? If you haven't what it means is sure you have a nice extension but do you know if the extension was properly built? Sure you have a nicely tiled up bathroom and floors, however do you know for sure if it was properly done? The seller may claim it has new plumbing and wiring but how do you know for sure? The answer is you will never know, hence I would never buy a nicely renovated place at a premium.
Alright, I hear you...sometimes it's not necessary for our own good.
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As for buying an aged house. If it is a freehold, as long as it is made from bricks in a halfway decent location I won't worry too much about its age. No issues with bank loans. If you get one for investment don't fix what is not broken just rent it out as it is. If it is for your own stay do up the plumbing, roof and wiring first everything else as and when you have extra money to spend.
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