The legend of the 90s is making its return in modern guise. When this shows up, bye-bye parallel twin 250cc & 300cc sportsbikes. Current 2-pot Ninja 250 will do 12500RPM... if the old ZXR250 is anything to go by, an inline 4 250 engine will rocket up to 18000RPM and scream just like an F1 car.

The real killer however would be a 400cc inline 4 version, CKD.. if there is even such a plan in the works. If the old ZXR400 is anything to go by, that ought to be about 14000RPM, 60+ horses in a package not that much bigger than a 250cc bike - sounds plenty fun!

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In-line four-cylinder Kawasaki Ninja ZX-25R ready in prototype form

The rumours about the in-line four-cylinder Kawasaki Ninja ZX-25R have been around for quite some time now. In a new development, Indonesian website Gridoto claims that this rumoured quarter-litre motorcycle is ready in prototype form at the PT Kawasaki Motor Indonesia’s factory.

The report adds that the prototype motorcycle is equipped with a racing exhaust. The sound produced by the bike is claimed to be equivalent to that of a big bike. The details are scarce, but if a new model is under development, we can expect to see improved performance numbers. The two-cylinder Ninja 250, which is currently on sale in select international markets, draws 39 hp at 12,500 rpm and 23.5 Nm of peak torque at 10,000 rpm from its 249 cc liquid-cooled motor.

The quarter-litre four-cylinder model, if launched, will compete with the Honda CBR250RR and the Yamaha YZF-R3. Both its rivals feature a twin-cylinder engine.

The new engine specifications will be backed with updated hardware that should target the Honda CBR250RR. The quarter-litre from Honda packs upside down front forks and ride-by-wire tech. Kawasaki can try to integrate those features into the four-cylinder Ninja 250. The current generation model already gets full LED headlight. The semi-digital instrument console with an analogue tachometer can stay.

Like the Kawasaki Ninja 250, the rumoured Kawasaki Ninja ZX-25R should feature single disc brakes on both wheels, but maybe with a larger rotor. Dual-channel ABS will handle the safety department. The world premiere may take place at either the 2019 Tokyo Motor Show or the EICMA 2019 in the final quarter of the year.

Meanwhile, in India, Kawasaki has commenced the pre-bookings for the 2019 Ninja ZX-10R, its litre-class supersport model. With the MY2019 update, the Ninja ZX-10R's engine's maximum power has gone up from 200 PS to 203 PS. The bike can be pre-booked with a deposit of INR 1.50 lakh.


https://indianautosblog.com/in-line-four-cy...-launch-p317157

This post has been edited by ZZR-Pilot: May 2 2019, 12:06 AM

possible to keep the price under 30K? lol
cbr250rr priced almost 35k, for 2 cil qtr litre bike

Exaggerating a bit there? The twins are still more practical and cost-effective compared to a quarter litre 4 cylinder bike since they use less EO and are cheaper to produce. Engine also has different characteristic.

ZX-25R seems to be more sporty and designed for those who really want the inline 4 sound without breaking the bank. Current Ninja 250/400 is more of a sport tourer/beginner machine because of relaxed riding position. Different strokes for different folks.

Time to see if Kawi's recently increased stake in Modenas will help them with pricing. If ZX-25R comes here, I expect it to be around 30~35k unless they pull off some magic trick.

This post has been edited by blackbox14: May 2 2019, 02:51 AM

Indonesia... Lol

It will be real interesting though if such a rumour is true, This might knock some sales out of the 2-cylinder bikes out there like the smaller 250's to maybe even the 400's. Don't think it would affect the 2 cylinder Ninja 650 though...

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I think it's better to make a 300cc/400cc 3/4-cyl. 250cc 4-cyl, sooooo comel la the parts... per cylinder smaller than a C70

Is Honda still making the CB400 Super 4 brand new? If yes then you're right, a 300cc or 400cc 4-cylinder could make sense but that would put it out of reach of the B2 riders

yes cb4 is still selling for japanese market...

the thing about this bike is the price. even ninja 250 is like rm24k+-. i dont see its gonna be cheaper than the current ninja 250.

Yup, can't expect it to be cheaper in any way. 2 more cylinders doesn't end there. There's technology to be added on to make it all work and there is a development cost as well...

Well let's see what Kawasaki thinks of it.

The way I look at it, the 2-pot 250cc market is getting crowded coz all the major players are throwing everything into it. Kawasaki might decide the need to create a differentiated offering far outweighs everything else, which may justify bringing back the inline 4 250cc pocket rocket and adjusting the 2-pot 250cc line-up to accommodate it.

That might then serve as a stepping stone towards considering reintroducing the inline 4 400cc class.

It's early days yet, but it's encouraging to hear abt the possibility of this category of bikes making a comeback. After all, it has been 20 bloody years.

Surely this can't be bad news at all.

There will definitely be some R&D cost that this bike will have to recoup, but then it isn't as if Kawasaki needs to sink serious money designing testing & tooling for a brand new engine from scratch like Yamaha did with its triple.

They already have that engine design as a base to improve on. Just like how they developed the current gen 2-pot engines that trace their origins to existing GPZ & ZZR/EL engine designs of the 90s.

I really hate the sound of parellel twin with modified exhaust.
Not to mention kapchai or single potter with loud pipes, including the dukes.

Damn nuisance.

Please bring in more 4 potters .

Wah really nostalgia

Will definitely be good news if Kawa is considering such an engine. I totally agree with you that the 2-cylinder market is getting too crowded and hopefully, Kawa product planners see this too. An entry level in-line 4 with 400cc wiill really be a nice stepping stone but then, how would that affect the Ninja 650 (2-cylinder)? Unless, the in-line 4 400cc is made to be for a different line, ZX4R perhaps and the next step up would be the ZX636... then it would be an SS (super sport) instead of a Sport Tourer. If it were to go along those lines, it might have a good chance imho

Team green > all.

Make it real Kawa.

From a business standpoint, its not likely to be mass market due to demand. But I am very keen to see this thru, my Gixxer is getting old.

What's your flavour? ZX250R or ZX4R? Assuming that Kawa really did a smaller in-line 4

fake news again gua

Oct/Nov 2019

Cbr250rr and r25 are made there

any more reliable sources?

There should be a countdown timer in kawasaki website.
The unveil countdown.
Not sure what bike. But there are 2 of them at tokyo motor show.
Rumor say.
Its the z25r and a supercharged z1000

This post has been edited by Dreadlock13: Sep 28 2019, 12:56 AM

Really hope that they make the valve thicker or tougher. Don’t want it to kaput like the zxr250

Fake news abahhh kamu. Dah launch dah pun.

https://youtu.be/xqknaCCvq4s

wait n see if its true it can redline @ 20k rpm producing up to 60ps...

This post has been edited by basilisk: Oct 23 2019, 11:45 AM

y my pp hard

boleh start menabung

I guess the rumor are true then.

Now pray if it will ever enter malaysia

This post has been edited by Dreadlock13: Oct 23 2019, 02:35 PM

Well done Kawasaki for even making this real. Now to see if it gets into Malaysia, and how they will price it if it does.

Assuming that rumor about a lower power variant with less features is also true, that's probably the one we'd get. The one at Tokyo Motor Show appears to be the one with all the fancy stuff like QS, traction control and so on. It would be close to or above RM 40k, which is too pricey for our market... they'd need to put it around RM 30k or less for it to even sell here.

The lower power variant probably the 250cc we seeing. Somewhere above 40 hp.

The 60 hp version probably a 400cc or 600cc version.

The cheapest inline 4 we got now is honda cb650r at 40k price point.

If kawa can put it at 30k is a blessing.
But the fact it's a 250cc bike people will start being picky

Also we never even get a honda cbr250rr
So the odds a pretty slim if we ever got one here in malaysia

That's Boon Siew for you - another user mentioned they do weird stuff like bringing in the Monkey and SuperCub that nobody wants, but not the CBR250RR which people have clamored for.

Not that Kawi Malaysia has not done some of the same. We don't have the Versys X-300 despite getting Ninja and Z400. And our Versys 250 and 650, along with Vulcan S, still have not been updated with ABS. But even then there's still a higher chance than with our Honda and Yamaha distributors.

If ZX-25R does show up here, I expect it to be like the ZX-10RR: a limited edition bike for collectors and enthusiasts.

This post has been edited by blackbox14: Oct 23 2019, 05:53 PM

Heard it would go up to 44k. What’s the point dey?better get a used 636 2013. 25-29k would be an absolute g spot

Few interesting tidbits based on a few Indonesian motovloggers and motorcycle journalist videos:

- In house radial caliper at the front with single brake disc instead of two, but there are covered holes on the other side of the sportrim.
- Front suspension does not seem to have adjuster screws on the gold rings. Maybe not adjustable?
- Analog tach + digital speedo like the 2018 Ninja 250 and 400. Not TFT LCD screen.
- Redline is at 16.5~18k which can be seen on the display bike's tachometer.
- Rumored price in Indonesia, converted to RM: 28k~30k for standard version and 34~36k for full version.

If 44k
Go buy cb650r new
Also got inline 4 engine. Also great sound

Hopefully Indonesia kawasaki won't f up this one like the cbr250rr done by indonesia honda. Making it euro 3 and stuff. Otherwise that's gonna add up to the price quoted.

even 2 piston ninja 250 is around rm24k++. i wonder how much this gonna be?

and how many gonna buy it if the price is almost rm40k?

hopefully under 30k
if it ever enter Malaysia

Agreed, props to Kawasaki for even making this a reality in today age.

Also agree on pricing.

Look at Honda CBR250RR
still no where to be found in Malaysia lol

I think we can safely assume this will be the case. This bike is going against the progress of emissions standards. That was one of the reasons low cc bikes switched to 2 pot configurations.

I'm no expert, but based on the Indonesian prices of the Ninja 250 2018 onwards, my guess is that the ZX25R would be priced around RM32~35k before OTR if it gets into Malaysian market. That would put it in the same category as Z650 and Honda's 500s. Of course, we'd probably get the Standard version.

Under 30k is what most Malaysians are hoping for but I think it's very unlikely unless Kawasaki Malaysia pulls some strings.

This post has been edited by blackbox14: Oct 24 2019, 10:01 PM

If real, then this bike is pretty pointless lol

It has to be over 20k, wishful thinking 22 to 23k

all look kinda same... lol...

More piston = more expensive. Simple

I think they had to at least try to make the bike reliable enough and usable for people who want to ride it daily.

If the RPM was 20k, then people just continuously redline it and break valves, in this day and age, there would be chaos on forums and social media.

It's a reasonable change, IMO.

If it was just the piston, it wouldn't be so bad. The problem here is they added ride-by-wire, radial front caliper, quickshifter, big piston seperate function upside down forks, etc. to fight the CBR250RR.

I am fairly sure if there was a version without the fancy stuff (but still with ABS, because I see that as a necessity nowadays), the price would go down by quite a bit.

Hope it’ll not exceed 35K. Pretty sure it wouldn’t but downside is, a lot of good bits will be stripped as usual. The Tokyo show version has KTRC as well.

We get that. How much more is the real question here

I dont find it bad coz ducati also got the same looks. They just want to do alignment to the design, even versys gone with the same look. Just that, kind of ug_y.

There are going to 2 versions. Probably abs and non abs. Stripped down version can guarantee got no abs. Agree with you, above 35k is just stupid for a 250

Just double the current ninja maintenance bro 😂

The VC cost is gonna be at least that much if not more - inspecting 16 micro valves are going to require some skilled hands. What's scary is if it will require more frequent checks because of the high RPM, like 12000 to 15000km instead of the Ninja's 24000km.

This isn't even taking EO into account. That's going to be about 3 or 4 bottles each service...

Vc better do at kawasaki hq. What i heard from a ninja250 owner je did it for rm60. There was a receipt tho. But not sure how much on this zx25r. Probably double the twin pots ninja but not bank wrecking cost.

That’s gonna be painful for sure. But it’s a sacrifice I think even I am willing to make. It’s not an everyday thing. Hopefully it comes with better titanium valves and springs and consequently, longer service intervals.

Can’t wait to see how it revs through the counters though.

This post has been edited by toos99: Oct 26 2019, 11:46 AM

With 60 I don’t think there was anything done. Probably just inspection.j

This post has been edited by toos99: Oct 26 2019, 11:47 AM

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This post has been edited by toos99: Jan 29 2023, 03:51 PM

I mean the used unit of ninja650 2017 model at 27-32k is quite a bargain..but let it it be 28-29k. Im willing to splash that moneyyyy

Problem with Kawasaki HQ is that you can no longer walk in for service. Must make appointment, and they're usually pretty booked, so you have to do so a month in advance.

And as other user said, if RM60, they probably didn't have to adjust anything. Depends on your luck.

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This post has been edited by toos99: Jan 29 2023, 03:51 PM

60 for vc? Sure or not

I dont think people send for an inspection over the valve. Then it wouldn't be called as Valve Clearance, instead they will call it engine/valve inspection. I quote this from whyzul(youtuber) who owns a sbk workshop. Someone got into an accident and asked him to just estimate the price for the repair. He gave that guy rm1k, then he called kawasaki hq for confirmation and kawasaki quoted him only at rm140. Whyzul also couldn't remember what was it so i couldn't explain the defected part of the bike. So..

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This post has been edited by toos99: Jan 29 2023, 03:57 PM

where do you get this bro?

kawa msia media invite?



This post has been edited by basilisk: Nov 18 2019, 08:37 PM

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This post has been edited by toos99: Jan 29 2023, 03:57 PM

found an article in indonesia about the release coming soon

Kawasaki new product

Was posted recently.

Howver, it most likely won't be the ZX-25R, but the 2020 W800.

That’s a video I haven’t seen yet. Anyway, though something is gonna become end of this month. Guess not.

Did anyone know where to fix zxr starter issue in Penang area? i have one and need the carburetor to be tune as well. Thanks in advance.

it is not w800 !

w175tr.. street scrambler...

looks like still using carb?? jz change w175 abit n tis came out...

w175 ....
i feel that old school bike need a bigger engine to look cool,
this is just odd

This post has been edited by Dreadlock13: Dec 3 2019, 01:11 AM

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This post has been edited by toos99: Jan 29 2023, 03:54 PM

modenas just lunch bajaj RS160. wondering it have modenas w175 too.

they dont need a big enjin to look cool...

most bike sales is lower/small capacity for this region n developing countries like india.

yamaha jz launched xsr155 in indon..
kawa at least need to come out with something...

modenas oredi got bajaj v15...

The super bombastic English used in the video is typical of Indian writers.

Over the top gilababi...

Not Indian bro. It's Kawasaki Indonesia.

I think this is just their way of building hype. If you see how Kawi Japan or Europe does their teasers, it's different.

Been waiting for the bike. When is it going out?

Its more like. Will it release here in malaysia

Yeap 20k RPM confirmed lol

They say 17k+, don't think can really Rev to 20k lerr.

There's always going to be crazy fuckers removing any limitations and/or strengthened internals

rev too much then valve will kong again like old zx2R

Seen video yesterday from Japanese guy in japan. Something about the price is open at 1 million yen

Hmmm... engine sound from stock exhaust is actually pretty nice.


edit: link not working so here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLI8bfDOoVs



This post has been edited by kahtsin: Dec 26 2019, 01:25 AM

That is so super sweet. Imagine this with a full system.

A few questions...would it match the performance of the old 90's version now that it has to comply with EURO emission regulations? and the key questions which all want to know the answers are, the price and finally, will it even be sold here[B]...

This post has been edited by lowpro: Mar 29 2020, 11:28 AM

No official specs have been released yet, but official Kawasaki page hinted that it will go on sales around Autumn (in Japan). Other than that, everything else is still a blur. So, slowly wait if you have the patience.

Source:

[B]"Kawasaki Motors Japan has created a racer custom model of the new Ninja ZX-25R, which is set to go on sale in Japan this Autumn."

If autumn, that's like somewhere from Sep to maybe Nov...

Seems like there are 2 specs, 45hp and 59hp. 45hp would be similar to the old one, which peaks at 15k RPM, and presuming the 59hp one peaks at similar amount of torque, that's around 19~20k RPM.
my kampung maths: (59/45) * 15k = 19.67k

If the intended market is not Europe, EuroV won't hold it back.

Pricing wise, I would speculate to fill the void between 50~60k given the specs that it is. I would not think this bike is priced to sell, more like a marque:
Ninja 400 - 28~39k
Ninja 650 - 35k
Ninja 1000 - 82k

Z900 - 46k
Z1000 - 78k

ZXR250 - 50~55k (up to 62k based on JPY 1.0M)
ZX6R - 80k (JPY 1.27M)
ZX10R - 100k

This post has been edited by alexei: Apr 8 2020, 02:22 PM

Crazy at 50k, at that price plenty of better bikes

Then again CB400 SuperFour selling at RM40,000, got people here insist it's worth it & must not compare with other bikes' prices.

I'm one of those people who dreams of owning CB400 and will gladly stand my ground there again. If it's your dream bike, then no reason to look at others. I really don't see what's wrong with that and why it needs to be called out? Not everyone believes in no replacement for displacement.

As for ZX-25R's price, same thing - crazy or not is up to the buyer. I won't judge whoever wants to get one. It is a one of a kind machine nowadays.

This post has been edited by blackbox14: Apr 10 2020, 11:23 AM

Well said!

Here's the thing, if it is affordable, it will stamp Kawasaki's superiority over all other brands here in the 250cc and above class in terms of market share. This will lead to many people who will have an affinity for the Kawasaki brand which will make it easier to upgrade to bigger Kawa models later on. Classic business tactic.

BUT, if it is going to be priced like a collector's item, the value will only come years from now IF OR when it will be worth the same as its purchase price or more. Case in point the original Toyota Trueno AE86. RM50k when new in 84 and RM50k and above for pristine examples today. The 250 will only work as a halo model which sells the cheaper Kawa models like the 250SL or the 250 twin or the 400. The 650 could still be priced higher or it could be on par. Hard to tell now. Mere speculation based on my experience in the auto industry.

This post has been edited by lowpro: Apr 10 2020, 12:23 PM

Its worth it if its a premium small bike, with adjustable fork and shocks and quality components if its going to be priced premiumly.

The ZXR250 is like the ZX6R minus the CC, shorter stroke and higher rev. Like compare ZX6R and ZX10R, with the 6R having higher rev range.

The sound of small CC at 20k RPM... of course some like it, some won't.

Maybe I'm wrong, it's without race chassis, single sided front brakes, BP-SFF front fork, and maybe budget 3 way rear suspension, it can even pass for MYR 30-40k.

Man i really want a cb400 now

However, if it does actually come up to the price of the CBR650R or is even 5k to 10k off the CBR's price, it is not going to be worth it in my humble opinion. But, there may be enthusiasts who would just buy it for novelty status and perhaps future value.

did the latest model come to Malaysia? Or, just the old CB4. that's with Vtec, right?

Kwak's can rebadge this as Modenas ZXR250, and sell at 30k. Oh man... it's would be tempting.