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Rebirth of the legendary ZXR250: New ZX-25R, Finally, the *REAL* 250cc sportsbike.
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lowpro
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May 2 2019, 09:00 AM
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It will be real interesting though if such a rumour is true, This might knock some sales out of the 2-cylinder bikes out there like the smaller 250's to maybe even the 400's. Don't think it would affect the 2 cylinder Ninja 650 though...
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lowpro
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May 2 2019, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE(Cyphereza @ May 2 2019, 12:19 PM) I think it's better to make a 300cc/400cc 3/4-cyl. 250cc 4-cyl, sooooo comel la the parts... per cylinder smaller than a C70  Is Honda still making the CB400 Super 4 brand new? If yes then you're right, a 300cc or 400cc 4-cylinder could make sense but that would put it out of reach of the B2 riders
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lowpro
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May 2 2019, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ May 2 2019, 03:00 PM) the thing about this bike is the price. even ninja 250 is like rm24k+-. i dont see its gonna be cheaper than the current ninja 250. Yup, can't expect it to be cheaper in any way. 2 more cylinders doesn't end there. There's technology to be added on to make it all work and there is a development cost as well...
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lowpro
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May 3 2019, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ May 2 2019, 05:47 PM) Well let's see what Kawasaki thinks of it. The way I look at it, the 2-pot 250cc market is getting crowded coz all the major players are throwing everything into it. Kawasaki might decide the need to create a differentiated offering far outweighs everything else, which may justify bringing back the inline 4 250cc pocket rocket and adjusting the 2-pot 250cc line-up to accommodate it. That might then serve as a stepping stone towards considering reintroducing the inline 4 400cc class. It's early days yet, but it's encouraging to hear abt the possibility of this category of bikes making a comeback. After all, it has been 20 bloody years. Surely this can't be bad news at all. Will definitely be good news if Kawa is considering such an engine. I totally agree with you that the 2-cylinder market is getting too crowded and hopefully, Kawa product planners see this too. An entry level in-line 4 with 400cc wiill really be a nice stepping stone but then, how would that affect the Ninja 650 (2-cylinder)? Unless, the in-line 4 400cc is made to be for a different line, ZX4R perhaps and the next step up would be the ZX636... then it would be an SS (super sport) instead of a Sport Tourer. If it were to go along those lines, it might have a good chance imho
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lowpro
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May 3 2019, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE(yhzell @ May 3 2019, 02:28 PM) From a business standpoint, its not likely to be mass market due to demand. But I am very keen to see this thru, my Gixxer is getting old. What's your flavour? ZX250R or ZX4R? Assuming that Kawa really did a smaller in-line 4
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lowpro
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Mar 29 2020, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Mar 28 2020, 06:35 PM) That is so super sweet. Imagine this with a full system. A few questions...would it match the performance of the old 90's version now that it has to comply with EURO emission regulations? and the key questions which all want to know the answers are, the price and finally, will it even be sold here[B]... This post has been edited by lowpro: Mar 29 2020, 11:28 AM
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lowpro
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Apr 8 2020, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE(kahtsin @ Apr 7 2020, 11:43 PM) No official specs have been released yet, but official Kawasaki page hinted that it will go on sales around Autumn (in Japan). Other than that, everything else is still a blur. So, slowly wait if you have the patience. Source:"Kawasaki Motors Japan has created a racer custom model of the new Ninja ZX-25R, which is set to go on sale in Japan this Autumn."If autumn, that's like somewhere from Sep to maybe Nov...
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lowpro
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Apr 10 2020, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(blackbox14 @ Apr 10 2020, 11:21 AM) I'm one of those people who dreams of owning CB400 and will gladly stand my ground there again. If it's your dream bike, then no reason to look at others.  I really don't see what's wrong with that and why it needs to be called out? Not everyone believes in no replacement for displacement. As for ZX-25R's price, same thing - crazy or not is up to the buyer. I won't judge whoever wants to get one. It is a one of a kind machine nowadays. Well said!  Here's the thing, if it is affordable, it will stamp Kawasaki's superiority over all other brands here in the 250cc and above class in terms of market share. This will lead to many people who will have an affinity for the Kawasaki brand which will make it easier to upgrade to bigger Kawa models later on. Classic business tactic. BUT, if it is going to be priced like a collector's item, the value will only come years from now IF OR when it will be worth the same as its purchase price or more. Case in point the original Toyota Trueno AE86. RM50k when new in 84 and RM50k and above for pristine examples today. The 250 will only work as a halo model which sells the cheaper Kawa models like the 250SL or the 250 twin or the 400. The 650 could still be priced higher or it could be on par. Hard to tell now. Mere speculation based on my experience in the auto industry. This post has been edited by lowpro: Apr 10 2020, 12:23 PM
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lowpro
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Apr 11 2020, 11:47 PM
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However, if it does actually come up to the price of the CBR650R or is even 5k to 10k off the CBR's price, it is not going to be worth it in my humble opinion. But, there may be enthusiasts who would just buy it for novelty status and perhaps future value.
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lowpro
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Apr 13 2020, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE(alexei @ Apr 12 2020, 11:47 AM) did the latest model come to Malaysia? Or, just the old CB4. that's with Vtec, right? Kwak's can rebadge this as Modenas ZXR250, and sell at 30k. Oh man... it's would be tempting. The last I spoke to someone from Modenas, that was the plan but the bike wouldn't be cheap either. I don't think they will assemble it here. Slightly cheaper perhaps but not by a super lot.
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lowpro
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Jun 30 2020, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(blackbox14 @ Jun 29 2020, 01:05 PM) The figures are not surprising considering their goal was to increase low to mid range power to make the bike more usable as a daily rider. There's also modern emissions standards to observe. IMO the biggest weakness of this bike is that it comes with too many modern features that only add to the price for little noticeable gain for the average rider. This bike doesn't need radial front caliper, quickshift, traction control, etc.. The people who want to get it mainly just want a 4 cylinder 250cc for the sound or so they can bypass license restrictions or increased tax associated with higher cc bikes. If they manufactured ZX25R with regular axial brake caliper, and only ABS as a safety feature (really should be mandatory on all 250+cc bikes now), pricing it around RM 5~8k less, it would be more palatable to more markets. Or, they can sell 2 specifications at 2 different price ranges to attract different crowds.
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lowpro
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Jun 30 2020, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(blackbox14 @ Jun 29 2020, 01:05 PM) The figures are not surprising considering their goal was to increase low to mid range power to make the bike more usable as a daily rider. There's also modern emissions standards to observe. IMO the biggest weakness of this bike is that it comes with too many modern features that only add to the price for little noticeable gain for the average rider. This bike doesn't need radial front caliper, quickshift, traction control, etc.. The people who want to get it mainly just want a 4 cylinder 250cc for the sound or so they can bypass license restrictions or increased tax associated with higher cc bikes. If they manufactured ZX25R with regular axial brake caliper, and only ABS as a safety feature (really should be mandatory on all 250+cc bikes now), pricing it around RM 5~8k less, it would be more palatable to more markets. Or, they can sell 2 specifications at 2 different price ranges to attract different crowds.
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lowpro
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Jul 1 2020, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE(blackbox14 @ Jun 30 2020, 01:23 PM) Having options is great, but it depends on what those specifications are. I personally don't like it when all safety features are removed in the lower spec version (esp. ABS as mentioned), which is why I don't really agree in this case. Keep in mind also that some countries will only have one or the other spec, and not both. ABS should be the bare minimum. I agree with this.
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lowpro
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Jun 15 2022, 08:40 AM
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While waiting for this super 1/4 litre to arrive, here's a little video to whet your appetite. https://www.rushlane.com/kawasaki-ninja-zx-...d-12369737.html
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lowpro
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Jun 17 2022, 08:45 AM
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QUOTE(kkkw80 @ Jun 16 2022, 10:29 AM) Add another 10k can get CB650R If you ask me, there is still market for this bike for those that are lazy to take Bfull license but personally it's not worth it. RM10k might be seriously too much a stretch for many. For some, even stretching the loan by RM5k is too much already. So, yes, there will still be a market for it and for thm, it would really be worth it. And you're right about the entry level income bikers not wanting to take the B license - more money needed to take the course and get the license. Plus, who knows, this bike may hold its value well as it is the only 4-cylinder 250cc sport bike in the market (not a sport tourer) and could be a collector's item one day.
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