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IvanWong1989
post Mar 30 2019, 05:53 PM

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I'm in JMB for 8 months. I can tell you this.

It is a thankless job.
because of one simple fact. "Can't please everyone"


Residents complain security lacking. We upped the security to ban any non working access cards cannot enter the condo.
Then the same group complain aiya why so strict, we sometimes forget cards.

Residents complain leaking facility. Proceed to engage contractor and fix. Then the same group complain aiya why take so long one, cannot use the sauna.

As a committee.. I get to see first hand how people always take anything they can to complain. one issue solved, they'll move to complain another thing. its never ending. I've learnt to keep an eye shut and as long as the place is up to my own standard of upkeep, I'll backoff from the management company.




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post Mar 30 2019, 06:11 PM

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I will love my condo to implement this lol.

Not sure why TS object to it; unless TS is doing airbnb business which is an absurd to residents lol

This post has been edited by MiLKTea: Mar 30 2019, 06:12 PM
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post Mar 30 2019, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Ayambetul @ Mar 30 2019, 04:32 PM)
They must be very hate u bero
Ever got threaten?
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Nope. I think I am pioneer use fingerprint to destroy homestay. They don’t know what hits them.
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post Apr 1 2019, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Mar 30 2019, 01:28 PM)
Maybe. But when I am JMB president, I did the same thing to destroy homestay aka airbnb
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sorry halfway join this thread because someone quoted me

why is facial recognition destroying airbnb?
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post Apr 1 2019, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(SuperTuhan @ Mar 30 2019, 01:10 PM)
Make this to screw Airbnb
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Good for residents. If not thieves may rent the Airnnb and then have a stealing spree once inside the compound. I think TS is doing the " unofficial Airbnb. "


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post Apr 1 2019, 03:31 PM

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Don't like can complain next AGM challenge them

if still cannot complain to COB.
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post Apr 1 2019, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(Grammar Police @ Apr 1 2019, 03:10 PM)
sorry halfway join this thread because someone quoted me

why is facial recognition destroying airbnb?
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Because your customer cannot go into your unit unless you bring them
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post Apr 1 2019, 03:42 PM

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you airbnb your unit ?
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post Apr 1 2019, 03:45 PM

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actually good to have face recognition coz my condo got lot of ppl doing airbnb and weekend alot of ppl bring girls go kongkek, gangbang.. i thinking to call police or jakim, but also thinking why not join them kongkek together..
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post Apr 1 2019, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Mar 30 2019, 05:53 PM)
I'm in JMB for 8 months. I can tell you this.

It is a thankless job.
because of one simple fact. "Can't please everyone"
Residents complain security lacking. We upped the security to ban any non working access cards cannot enter the condo.
Then the same group complain aiya why so strict, we sometimes forget cards.

Residents complain leaking facility. Proceed to engage contractor and fix. Then the same group complain aiya why take so long one, cannot use the sauna.

As a committee.. I get to see first hand how people always take anything they can to complain. one issue solved, they'll move to complain another thing. its never ending. I've learnt to keep an eye shut and as long as the place is up to my own standard of upkeep, I'll backoff from the management company.
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agreed with you

the worst part is it's always the same group of noisy ppl. They might not be the ones who bring the subject up but they will be the ones who pour oil over the fire. Like to act like they are the towkay but when ask them to take responsibility and work in JMB committee then suddenly shut up, say too old, retiree no need to do all these things.

Sorry but ur comment remind me of some things i had dealt with in the past.
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post Apr 1 2019, 04:10 PM

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tu la, next time be more involved with the community.
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post Apr 2 2019, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Apr 1 2019, 03:31 PM)
Don't like can complain next AGM challenge them

if still cannot complain to COB.
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what is cob? we are looking to complain soon after some discussion with developer

i am attached in spore so need to get someone to sort it out.

to answer some doubts: - discussed with other residents... some owners are my own cousins and uncles.

1. No. Not discussed in AGM and only in monthly committee meeting which they decided on their own without resident knowing or consent. This all happen after new chairperson take over. Spending a lot of money out of a sudden and never think of saving. Afraid like 1mdb style.

2. We support if it was resident approved but NOT for the sake of someone else benefit (could be commission received or own grudge against air bnb)

3. Yes...good security but for a big family like us, having bought this unit as family home will limit access for some relatives and even friends. Keep in mind, many condos in penang is bought as a unit by investors or family or even company to use for their own when they need it instead renting hotel. Even some company have units or rent on long term to use for their employees stay when there is an event or meeting in penang.

4. We will face a lot of problems during cny when we go back to penang when we want to access this condo if we are not face registered and management office closed.

5. Conclusion: Resident not consulted and decision made by chairperson without thinking or respecting residents. So uneducated guy.

Other resident already contacted developer office. Not their work but the new committee and chairperson They say we need wait until the implementation to see what action to take.

Checked and they cannot simply change the access to our condo as this is not what it was originally built for. Our original snp signed back in 2012 already stated regarding the access using access card and terms and condition which we accepted before buying it. So cannot simply change it.
Any reliable lawyer to recommend? Or can i use a lawyer from Spore?


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post Apr 2 2019, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(julieweiwei90 @ Apr 2 2019, 09:28 AM)
what is cob? we are looking to complain soon after some discussion with developer

i am attached in spore so need to get someone to sort it out.

to answer some doubts: - discussed with other residents... some owners are my own cousins and uncles.

1. No. Not discussed in AGM  and only in monthly committee meeting which they decided on their own without resident knowing or consent. This all happen after new chairperson take over. Spending a lot of money out of a sudden and never think of saving. Afraid like 1mdb style.

2. We support if it was resident approved but NOT for the sake of someone else benefit (could be commission received or own grudge against air bnb)

3. Yes...good security but for a big family like us, having bought this unit as family home will limit access for some relatives and even friends. Keep in mind, many condos in penang is bought as a unit by investors or family or even company to use for their own when they need it instead renting hotel.  Even some company have units or rent on long term to use for their employees stay when there is an event or meeting in penang.

4. We will face a lot of problems during cny when we go back to penang when we want to access this condo if we are  not face registered and management office closed.

5. Conclusion: Resident not consulted and decision made by chairperson without thinking or respecting residents. So uneducated guy.

Other resident already contacted developer office. Not their work but the new committee and chairperson They say we need wait until the implementation to see what action to take.

Checked and they cannot simply change the access to our condo as this is not what it was originally built for. Our original snp signed back in 2012 already stated regarding the access using access card and terms and condition which we accepted before buying it. So cannot simply change it.
Any reliable lawyer to recommend? Or can i use a lawyer from Spore?
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Was there any written black and white that the Management office are allowed to do changes without any consent?
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post Apr 2 2019, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Mar 30 2019, 03:22 PM)
Yes, I did this for 2 years and the only thing I got is I learn condo management. Other than that, I lost my precious time. Money also lost becaus time is money.
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any way to prevent those committee or president to siphon out the money by awarding those repair & maintenance to their friend or family? then they earn commission them self?
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post Apr 2 2019, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(julieweiwei90 @ Mar 30 2019, 12:52 PM)
I need advice as now my family a bit upset. They inform  me one of our condo have implement face recognition system to replace the current normal access card system without getting views from residents. System already installed and going to be implemented.  This a a new condo of only less than 3 years. No other condo has done this or change a system in such a new condo... so must be some $$$ involved.

I also think they cannot simply install or change the current system given by developer right? And they cannot use maintenance money for this kind of implementation. If they want to use sinking fund, need resident approval and meeting. So i suspect they break laws. What action can take?
Further more we will have a lot of problem if use the new system. As this is a family home/holiday home, we often have different family members frequent the place. Sometimes friends stay there too. Don't expect all to register face. And they are old and kids too. Even to walk in need scan face which currently we just use access card.

Mom also mentions a lot of money spending after new committee formed and new chairperson. Spend money like water. Doing extra wiring, add unnecessary items ... everything is about spending money and not saving. Whom/which authority can i write in to? I am based in Spore but do fly back often.

Need some opinion before ask my family to consult our developer lawyers on what actions can be taken.

Value valuable advise.
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Normally this type of expenses is endorsed in AGM.
Did the AGM minutes stated the activity approved by residents to be carried out?



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post Apr 2 2019, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(julieweiwei90 @ Apr 2 2019, 09:28 AM)
what is cob? we are looking to complain soon after some discussion with developer

i am attached in spore so need to get someone to sort it out.

to answer some doubts: - discussed with other residents... some owners are my own cousins and uncles.

1. No. Not discussed in AGM  and only in monthly committee meeting which they decided on their own without resident knowing or consent. This all happen after new chairperson take over. Spending a lot of money out of a sudden and never think of saving. Afraid like 1mdb style.

2. We support if it was resident approved but NOT for the sake of someone else benefit (could be commission received or own grudge against air bnb)

3. Yes...good security but for a big family like us, having bought this unit as family home will limit access for some relatives and even friends. Keep in mind, many condos in penang is bought as a unit by investors or family or even company to use for their own when they need it instead renting hotel.  Even some company have units or rent on long term to use for their employees stay when there is an event or meeting in penang.

4. We will face a lot of problems during cny when we go back to penang when we want to access this condo if we are  not face registered and management office closed.

5. Conclusion: Resident not consulted and decision made by chairperson without thinking or respecting residents. So uneducated guy.

Other resident already contacted developer office. Not their work but the new committee and chairperson They say we need wait until the implementation to see what action to take.

Checked and they cannot simply change the access to our condo as this is not what it was originally built for. Our original snp signed back in 2012 already stated regarding the access using access card and terms and condition which we accepted before buying it. So cannot simply change it.
Any reliable lawyer to recommend? Or can i use a lawyer from Spore?
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The changes that u mentioned cost a lot. Where do they get the money from???

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post Apr 2 2019, 10:28 AM

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Most prob got do AGM and majority voted. Maybe TS n neighbour didnt go
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post Apr 2 2019, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(Lescotesco @ Apr 2 2019, 10:11 AM)
any way to prevent those committee or president to siphon out the money by awarding those repair & maintenance to their friend or family?  then they earn commission them self?
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Get multiple quotation. However, after a while, those not selected won't bother to give you quotation. Haha.
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QUOTE(MiLKTea @ Mar 30 2019, 06:11 PM)
I will love my condo to implement this lol.

Not sure why TS object to it; unless TS is doing airbnb business which is an absurd to residents  lol
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got la...TS got mention why he object this

question is, u got read and try to see things from TS view or not? or you only concern with ur own view being valid?

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