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post Apr 2 2019, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(julieweiwei90 @ Mar 30 2019, 12:52 PM)
I need advice as now my family a bit upset. They inform  me one of our condo have implement face recognition system to replace the current normal access card system without getting views from residents. System already installed and going to be implemented.  This a a new condo of only less than 3 years. No other condo has done this or change a system in such a new condo... so must be some $$$ involved.

I also think they cannot simply install or change the current system given by developer right? And they cannot use maintenance money for this kind of implementation. If they want to use sinking fund, need resident approval and meeting. So i suspect they break laws. What action can take?
Further more we will have a lot of problem if use the new system. As this is a family home/holiday home, we often have different family members frequent the place. Sometimes friends stay there too. Don't expect all to register face. And they are old and kids too. Even to walk in need scan face which currently we just use access card.

Mom also mentions a lot of money spending after new committee formed and new chairperson. Spend money like water. Doing extra wiring, add unnecessary items ... everything is about spending money and not saving. Whom/which authority can i write in to? I am based in Spore but do fly back often.

Need some opinion before ask my family to consult our developer lawyers on what actions can be taken.

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which condo? developer so rich? unbelievable they implement it. in terms of security... yeah.. good
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QUOTE(unforg1ven @ Apr 1 2019, 03:45 PM)
actually good to have face recognition coz my condo got lot of ppl doing airbnb and weekend alot of ppl bring girls go kongkek, gangbang.. i thinking to call police or jakim, but also thinking why not join them kongkek together..
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wait...u mean if resident bring girl back kongkek..the girl also need to scan her face before allowed entry?

else if not then resident bring girl , girls, guy, guys, animal back kongkek..the facial ID can do what fuck? since scan resident face enuf d

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gugukrez
post Apr 2 2019, 01:49 PM

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in term of security.. it good practice and better re-sale value for the condo..

those object must be due to personal interest is affected..
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QUOTE(gugukrez @ Apr 2 2019, 01:49 PM)
in term of security.. it good practice and better re-sale value for the condo..

those object must be due to personal interest is affected..
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or hassle....

i personally find it quite interesting/fun though nod.gif

sides, usually they dont limit to how many facial ID per unit...so jst bring all relatives go there scan 1st..if they wanna drop by in future, easier.. nod.gif



but question is...can showing a picture of some resident work?

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post Apr 2 2019, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(julieweiwei90 @ Apr 2 2019, 09:28 AM)
what is cob? we are looking to complain soon after some discussion with developer

i am attached in spore so need to get someone to sort it out.

to answer some doubts: - discussed with other residents... some owners are my own cousins and uncles.

1. No. Not discussed in AGM  and only in monthly committee meeting which they decided on their own without resident knowing or consent. This all happen after new chairperson take over. Spending a lot of money out of a sudden and never think of saving. Afraid like 1mdb style.

2. We support if it was resident approved but NOT for the sake of someone else benefit (could be commission received or own grudge against air bnb)

3. Yes...good security but for a big family like us, having bought this unit as family home will limit access for some relatives and even friends. Keep in mind, many condos in penang is bought as a unit by investors or family or even company to use for their own when they need it instead renting hotel.  Even some company have units or rent on long term to use for their employees stay when there is an event or meeting in penang.

4. We will face a lot of problems during cny when we go back to penang when we want to access this condo if we are  not face registered and management office closed.

5. Conclusion: Resident not consulted and decision made by chairperson without thinking or respecting residents. So uneducated guy.

Other resident already contacted developer office. Not their work but the new committee and chairperson They say we need wait until the implementation to see what action to take.

Checked and they cannot simply change the access to our condo as this is not what it was originally built for. Our original snp signed back in 2012 already stated regarding the access using access card and terms and condition which we accepted before buying it. So cannot simply change it.
Any reliable lawyer to recommend? Or can i use a lawyer from Spore?
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COB has no power over this. Many thought they do but they don't. Even some COB thought they have power but got reversed by the courts.

Go read the minutes of the committee meetings lah. See if the committee had approved it properly, i.e. majority of the committee members voted yes. This kind of matter no need to discuss in AGM. AGM is to present accounts, elect new committee members. Additional matters may be to increase the maintenance and sinking fund rates and to add/remove by-laws.

Your ignorance about how a condo is managed is very obvious.
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QUOTE(julieweiwei90 @ Mar 30 2019, 12:52 PM)
As this is a family home/holiday home, we often have different family members frequent the place.
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Is that what they call homestay / Airbnb in Singapore nowadays?

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post Apr 2 2019, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(Level 60 Wizard @ Apr 2 2019, 01:51 PM)
or hassle....

i personally find it quite interesting/fun though nod.gif

sides, usually they dont limit to how many facial ID per unit...so jst bring all relatives go there scan 1st..if they wanna drop by in future, easier.. nod.gif
but question is...can showing a picture of some resident work?
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then need to ask the service provider.. the face recognition is come with multiple layer verification on human bone.. or just merely a A4 printed paper also can work.

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post Apr 2 2019, 02:57 PM

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I don't think those not scanned into the database are not allowed in. They may just need to register as visitors, that's all. To me, this TS is overreacting or simply too fussy. Sikit2 want to sue here and there.
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Further more we will have a lot of problem if use the new system. As this is a family home/holiday home, we often have different family members frequent the place. Sometimes friends stay there too. Don't expect all to register face. And they are old and kids too. Even to walk in need scan face which currently we just use access card.


rumah buat airbnb cakap je la
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post Apr 2 2019, 03:02 PM

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go for AGM and complain there...think will have ppl have the same concern as TS
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post Apr 2 2019, 03:04 PM

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This is why I hate living in strata properties...

sure there are pros and cons in either types, but to me who value my privacy, strata is a no-no. best of luck OP
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QUOTE(julieweiwei90 @ Mar 30 2019, 12:52 PM)
I need advice as now my family a bit upset. They inform  me one of our condo have implement face recognition system to replace the current normal access card system without getting views from residents. System already installed and going to be implemented.  This a a new condo of only less than 3 years. No other condo has done this or change a system in such a new condo... so must be some $$$ involved.

I also think they cannot simply install or change the current system given by developer right? And they cannot use maintenance money for this kind of implementation. If they want to use sinking fund, need resident approval and meeting. So i suspect they break laws. What action can take?
Further more we will have a lot of problem if use the new system. As this is a family home/holiday home, we often have different family members frequent the place. Sometimes friends stay there too. Don't expect all to register face. And they are old and kids too. Even to walk in need scan face which currently we just use access card.

Mom also mentions a lot of money spending after new committee formed and new chairperson. Spend money like water. Doing extra wiring, add unnecessary items ... everything is about spending money and not saving. Whom/which authority can i write in to? I am based in Spore but do fly back often.

Need some opinion before ask my family to consult our developer lawyers on what actions can be taken.

Value valuable advise.
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they must have approval from local council first, and to do that, the management must have 80 percent signature from residence.
so you might have a case here.
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post Apr 2 2019, 03:07 PM

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Easiest way to check is go to Management office, ask for the minutes of meeting in the last AGM or EGM.

Read through it and see what resolution was implemented. If a vote was carried out to use sinking fund to upgrade the security system, nothing to do.

If no resolution was recorded in the minutes, bring your complaint to COB.
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post Apr 2 2019, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(julieweiwei90 @ Apr 2 2019, 09:28 AM)
what is cob? we are looking to complain soon after some discussion with developer

i am attached in spore so need to get someone to sort it out.

to answer some doubts: - discussed with other residents... some owners are my own cousins and uncles.

1. No. Not discussed in AGM  and only in monthly committee meeting which they decided on their own without resident knowing or consent. This all happen after new chairperson take over. Spending a lot of money out of a sudden and never think of saving. Afraid like 1mdb style.

2. We support if it was resident approved but NOT for the sake of someone else benefit (could be commission received or own grudge against air bnb)

3. Yes...good security but for a big family like us, having bought this unit as family home will limit access for some relatives and even friends. Keep in mind, many condos in penang is bought as a unit by investors or family or even company to use for their own when they need it instead renting hotel.  Even some company have units or rent on long term to use for their employees stay when there is an event or meeting in penang.

4. We will face a lot of problems during cny when we go back to penang when we want to access this condo if we are  not face registered and management office closed.

5. Conclusion: Resident not consulted and decision made by chairperson without thinking or respecting residents. So uneducated guy.

Other resident already contacted developer office. Not their work but the new committee and chairperson They say we need wait until the implementation to see what action to take.

Checked and they cannot simply change the access to our condo as this is not what it was originally built for. Our original snp signed back in 2012 already stated regarding the access using access card and terms and condition which we accepted before buying it. So cannot simply change it.
Any reliable lawyer to recommend? Or can i use a lawyer from Spore?
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U can file in a case at MACC, whether they entertain or not is a different story. All this capital expenditure no need approval from majority members at all, only committee members.

When AGM u can appoint or elect those committee member to run the common property, anything more than 50% approval grants them power to choose security guard or do any maintenance which they think it is fit to the interest of common property. If u not happy, spend a day off and make noise at AGM and elect yourself as committee member, also can check what is the chairman doing. But a lot won't do it and state any reason, i've been that and seen a lot of owner like this, basically want everything benefit on their own but don't want to spend time to work on it.


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QUOTE(Artus @ Apr 2 2019, 02:57 PM)
I don't think those not scanned into the database are not allowed in. They may just need to register as visitors, that's all. To me, this TS is overreacting or simply too fussy. Sikit2 want to sue here and there.
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I think same like yours, they just want to make it difficult so that the possibility of visitors/airbnb tenant will be lesser. And also good for crime prevention.


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I found some residents to be real funny.

1) want 100% security for peace of mind with friendly guards.

2) rage when strict security imposed slowing them down ,sometimes resident own fault ( card broken/blocked, need manual sign in). When kena tegur for being wrong first, taichi issue saying guard rude when handing his case. LMAO.



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QUOTE(nuvi @ Mar 30 2019, 01:20 PM)
Who knows, ts say his family and all neighbors also don't know.

But ts now cannot post because limit reached laugh.gif
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Even in my gated Taman. When for AGM meeting, 50% never attend.
Hence TS and his neighbours are being to the 50% never attend.


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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Apr 2 2019, 03:29 PM)
I found some residents to be real funny.

1) want 100% security for peace of mind with friendly guards.

2) rage when strict security imposed slowing them down  ,sometimes  resident own fault ( card broken/blocked, need manual sign in).  When kena  tegur for being wrong first, taichi issue saying guard rude when handing his case. LMAO.
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post Apr 2 2019, 05:02 PM

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everything needs to go through JMB, and AGM/EGM with quorom.

so unless u didnt attend or not aware of, it shouldnt happen.
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i think ts didnt attend meeting laaa.. thats why living in condo need to attend AGM to hear the cash flow, and amend house rule etc..

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