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post Apr 2 2019, 05:14 PM

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how come so many people come stay at your house?
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post Apr 2 2019, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Mar 30 2019, 05:53 PM)
I'm in JMB for 8 months. I can tell you this.

It is a thankless job.
because of one simple fact. "Can't please everyone"
Residents complain security lacking. We upped the security to ban any non working access cards cannot enter the condo.
Then the same group complain aiya why so strict, we sometimes forget cards.

Residents complain leaking facility. Proceed to engage contractor and fix. Then the same group complain aiya why take so long one, cannot use the sauna.

As a committee.. I get to see first hand how people always take anything they can to complain. one issue solved, they'll move to complain another thing. its never ending. I've learnt to keep an eye shut and as long as the place is up to my own standard of upkeep, I'll backoff from the management company.
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Being in JMB gives you an inkling what ungrateful scumbags some humans are. It's a microcosm of what it's like to run a country.
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post Apr 2 2019, 07:29 PM

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Ini mesti abnb Mia case... hoho
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post Apr 2 2019, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Apr 2 2019, 05:02 PM)
everything needs to go through JMB, and AGM/EGM with quorom.

so unless u didnt attend or not aware of, it shouldnt happen.
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Not everything needs to go through AGM/EGM. If that's the case, what's the point of having a management committee?

Just like running the country - not everything must get approval from parliament. Or else what's the point of having a cabinet of ministers?


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post Apr 2 2019, 11:58 PM

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Good deterrent against those airbnb owner
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post Apr 2 2019, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Apr 2 2019, 03:29 PM)
I found some residents to be real funny.

1) want 100% security for peace of mind with friendly guards.

2) rage when strict security imposed slowing them down  ,sometimes  resident own fault ( card broken/blocked, need manual sign in).  When kena  tegur for being wrong first, taichi issue saying guard rude when handing his case. LMAO.
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yeaahhhhhh i also kenot brain this. Goddamn selfish pricks!

QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Apr 2 2019, 05:00 PM)
Even in my gated Taman.  When for AGM meeting, 50% never attend.
Hence TS and his neighbours are being to the 50% never attend.
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So good ah. My condo 2 blocks, 300 units. Every AGM, two hands can count finish.

QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Apr 2 2019, 06:53 PM)
Being in JMB gives you an inkling what ungrateful scumbags some humans are. It's a microcosm of what it's like to run a country.
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Yeap, 5 years in committee made me see the worst in some ppl.


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post Apr 3 2019, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Mar 30 2019, 01:12 PM)
Answering your PM, I think your mother's information may not be completely reliable if you family has never attended an AGM. If your family has put you in charge of this, get information firsthand from the JMB or other residents before proceeding. All it takes is a few phone calls and Whatsapp messages.
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wankongyew, please help
ayam neighbour, after become condo JMB chairman implement many condo project. say its for resident benefit, but JMB fund is very low now, want to increase monthly fee and surcharge fees.
then suddenly renovate his unit big big and his wife got many handbags.
Wehn i ask him, kena loteri kar? he reply, he got inheritance, tax free.
how to solve?
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post Apr 3 2019, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Apr 2 2019, 06:53 PM)
Being in JMB gives you an inkling what ungrateful scumbags some humans are. It's a microcosm of what it's like to run a country.
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QUOTE(carmenyta @ Apr 2 2019, 11:59 PM)
yeaahhhhhh i also kenot brain this. Goddamn selfish pricks!
So good ah. My condo 2 blocks, 300 units. Every AGM, two hands can count finish.
Yeap, 5 years in committee made me see the worst in some ppl.
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Very true. Can straightaway realise the difficulty in running a country if even in such a small place also have to deal with so many kinds of selfish, ungrateful and weird characters.

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post Apr 3 2019, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(nasiputih @ Apr 3 2019, 12:13 AM)
wankongyew, please help
ayam neighbour, after become condo JMB chairman implement many condo project. say its for resident benefit, but JMB fund is very low now, want to increase monthly fee and surcharge fees.
then suddenly renovate his unit big big and his wife got many handbags.
Wehn i ask him, kena loteri kar? he reply, he got inheritance, tax free.
how to solve?
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Condo did a lot of projects and condo pokai and chairman got windfall doesn't mean chairman makan.

Your kind of behaviour is the kind that put off others from joining management committees. Can buta kena all kinds of hurtful rumours from people like you.

Go read the minutes of the committee meetings lah to see if got any hanky panky or not. Better still, join the committee the next time.


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post Apr 3 2019, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(julieweiwei90 @ Apr 2 2019, 09:28 AM)
what is cob? we are looking to complain soon after some discussion with developer

i am attached in spore so need to get someone to sort it out.

to answer some doubts: - discussed with other residents... some owners are my own cousins and uncles.

1. No. Not discussed in AGM  and only in monthly committee meeting which they decided on their own without resident knowing or consent. This all happen after new chairperson take over. Spending a lot of money out of a sudden and never think of saving. Afraid like 1mdb style.

2. We support if it was resident approved but NOT for the sake of someone else benefit (could be commission received or own grudge against air bnb)

3. Yes...good security but for a big family like us, having bought this unit as family home will limit access for some relatives and even friends. Keep in mind, many condos in penang is bought as a unit by investors or family or even company to use for their own when they need it instead renting hotel.  Even some company have units or rent on long term to use for their employees stay when there is an event or meeting in penang.

4. We will face a lot of problems during cny when we go back to penang when we want to access this condo if we are  not face registered and management office closed.

5. Conclusion: Resident not consulted and decision made by chairperson without thinking or respecting residents. So uneducated guy.

Other resident already contacted developer office. Not their work but the new committee and chairperson They say we need wait until the implementation to see what action to take.

Checked and they cannot simply change the access to our condo as this is not what it was originally built for. Our original snp signed back in 2012 already stated regarding the access using access card and terms and condition which we accepted before buying it. So cannot simply change it.
Any reliable lawyer to recommend? Or can i use a lawyer from Spore?
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Get your facts right, go to any bookstore and buy yourself the Strata Management Act, go to Regulations Schedule 3. Nothing mention on the security issues. In addition, please have a look at your house rule book prepared by developer (DMC), SOME do state that any security-related issues handover to security and management for the best interest of all residents.

Besides, no limit on amount for JMB/MC to spend unless someone already put a motion during the AGM to cap the expenditure. Other than that, they can spend all money as long as for the purpose stated in SMA.

In conclusion, nope, the JMB/MC did not break any Malaysia Law. Even stated in DMC and SNP, as long as it contradict to the SMA, it consider nulls.

On the other hand, as an owner, you can walk into management office and seek for next JMB meeting. Yes, as an owner, you can sit it as an observer but no power to vote. In addition, you can file in complain to tribunal/COB/management on this and seek for EGM. Within 14 days (if not mistaken), they shall proceed for EGM IF JMB/MC found guilty etc. If not, nothing to proceed.

Even as AirBnB owner, you want to sue JMB/MC, you are most likely to fail, as the strata title clearly indicates for residential purposes and not business. if you are running business on the residential premise, you are getting yourself in further trouble. Don't act gung ho just because you are "Singaporean". Many of us here are JMB/MC and well verse on SMA. For more information on owner's right, it is stated within the Act as well.
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post Apr 3 2019, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(Artus @ Apr 2 2019, 11:43 PM)
Not everything needs to go through AGM/EGM. If that's the case, what's the point of having a management committee?

Just like running the country - not everything must get approval from parliament. Or else what's the point of having a cabinet of ministers?
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I agree. JMB/MC got the powers within the SMA to execute anything especially related to security issues and expenses. Some people just ignore the Act and keep talking of getting lawyer to sue. What a joke.
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post Apr 3 2019, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(thelonely @ Apr 2 2019, 03:06 PM)
they must have approval from local council first, and to do that, the management must have 80 percent signature from residence.
so you might have a case here.
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mega_shok.gif get the facts right, this has nothing to do with local council. This is condo, govern under strata management act, not individual title.

For those who keep confuse on GnG, FnG, or whatever fancy name you guys wanna call, only two type of title in Malaysia
1) Title
2) Strata Title

of course there are TOL etc etc, but mostly when you speak on buying properties fall under those two,
for No.1, you got ZERO power in claiming monthly fees and roads/drains/etc all surrender to local council other than written in SNP/DMC etc.
No.2, community (owners) within the strata development OWN the whole area including the roads etc. Thus, as some already mention, the JMB/MC runs their own country in there. As long as they are doing as according to the SMA, they did no wrong at all.
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post Apr 3 2019, 04:14 AM

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Get like minded people from your condo and o to Strata Tribunal to duke it out with them. Or if no one disagrees, then you probably need to rethink things.
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post Apr 3 2019, 04:44 AM

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i'm more curious abt the model of face recognition system
bcauz at current state as far as i knw only a few can't be tricked
the flaw of the algorithm, can be easily tricked using a dummy doll with heated face

lul
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post Apr 3 2019, 06:39 AM

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QUOTE(nasiputih @ Apr 3 2019, 12:13 AM)
wankongyew, please help
ayam neighbour, after become condo JMB chairman implement many condo project. say its for resident benefit, but JMB fund is very low now, want to increase monthly fee and surcharge fees.
then suddenly renovate his unit big big and his wife got many handbags.
Wehn i ask him, kena loteri kar? he reply, he got inheritance, tax free.
how to solve?
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post Apr 3 2019, 06:50 AM

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Make a police report. Settle. Under criminal breach of trust (pecah amanah).

Btw, maybe they already approve in AGM? Maybe u can croas check in the AGM minute.
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post Apr 3 2019, 07:00 AM

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QUOTE(julieweiwei90 @ Mar 30 2019, 12:52 PM)
I need advice as now my family a bit upset. They inform  me one of our condo have implement face recognition system to replace the current normal access card system without getting views from residents. System already installed and going to be implemented.  This a a new condo of only less than 3 years. No other condo has done this or change a system in such a new condo... so must be some $$$ involved.

I also think they cannot simply install or change the current system given by developer right? And they cannot use maintenance money for this kind of implementation. If they want to use sinking fund, need resident approval and meeting. So i suspect they break laws. What action can take?
Further more we will have a lot of problem if use the new system. As this is a family home/holiday home, we often have different family members frequent the place. Sometimes friends stay there too. Don't expect all to register face. And they are old and kids too. Even to walk in need scan face which currently we just use access card.

Mom also mentions a lot of money spending after new committee formed and new chairperson. Spend money like water. Doing extra wiring, add unnecessary items ... everything is about spending money and not saving. Whom/which authority can i write in to? I am based in Spore but do fly back often.

Need some opinion before ask my family to consult our developer lawyers on what actions can be taken.

Value valuable advise.
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JMB has right to use the fund to implement project and change the system.
Have you attended the AGM meeting and what is the allowable spending budget for JMB agreed? Is the project decided during the AGM by residents?
Some condo JMB has max budget they can use for project, if above the budget needs to seek residents vote to approve.

So before accusing, need to get the fact right. Before going to the COB, you can go to management office to ask for the minutes of meeting and the account to check from there what has been agreed in the AGM/EGM and their JMB monthly meeting.

Facial recognition is used in some condos as access system so is not something new but personally i find that useless cause accuracy is low for those in the market.

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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Mar 30 2019, 05:46 PM)
why you against something that's good for safety of the resident that potentially reduce crime?

unless you're in crime business itself.
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Some ppl are just plain stingy. Fork out a bit extra money also cannot.
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QUOTE(julieweiwei90 @ Apr 2 2019, 09:28 AM)
what is cob? we are looking to complain soon after some discussion with developer

i am attached in spore so need to get someone to sort it out.

to answer some doubts: - discussed with other residents... some owners are my own cousins and uncles.

1. No. Not discussed in AGM  and only in monthly committee meeting which they decided on their own without resident knowing or consent. This all happen after new chairperson take over. Spending a lot of money out of a sudden and never think of saving. Afraid like 1mdb style.

2. We support if it was resident approved but NOT for the sake of someone else benefit (could be commission received or own grudge against air bnb)

3. Yes...good security but for a big family like us, having bought this unit as family home will limit access for some relatives and even friends. Keep in mind, many condos in penang is bought as a unit by investors or family or even company to use for their own when they need it instead renting hotel.  Even some company have units or rent on long term to use for their employees stay when there is an event or meeting in penang.

4. We will face a lot of problems during cny when we go back to penang when we want to access this condo if we are  not face registered and management office closed.

5. Conclusion: Resident not consulted and decision made by chairperson without thinking or respecting residents. So uneducated guy.

Other resident already contacted developer office. Not their work but the new committee and chairperson They say we need wait until the implementation to see what action to take.

Checked and they cannot simply change the access to our condo as this is not what it was originally built for. Our original snp signed back in 2012 already stated regarding the access using access card and terms and condition which we accepted before buying it. So cannot simply change it.
Any reliable lawyer to recommend? Or can i use a lawyer from Spore?
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