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 Is i5 9400F A Good Option? *Get Ryzen Instead*

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post Mar 14 2019, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(dunhill1410 @ Mar 14 2019, 03:47 PM)
I suppose the AsRock B450 pro4 is around ~350 RM, and better to go with 2x8 for the dual channel, kingston hyperX/Corsair Vengeance 2666 2x8 would be around ~500 RM. A single 16GB stick would be around same price. Ryzen 5 2600 is ~650 RM I believe. So that's 1500 MYR.

To go below 1500, there's only the mATX version of the AsRock B450. Would be ~100 RM less. I wouldn't recommend that but it's still B450.

One thing you should know about Ryzen is.. this CPU loves fast RAMs. So like add 40 or 50 RM more to get 2x8 3000/3200 Mhz RAM. If you can wait until July, well, Zen 2 CPUs.
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post Mar 14 2019, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Mar 14 2019, 04:58 PM)
Total War 3 Kingdoms coming out 23rd May, so I would like to be ready before that. 😁
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Yup go ahead with the Ryzen. AMD mainstream chips have come so far that at this point I would only suggest Intel to a person who is planning to game over 1440p 144FPS buying like a RTX 2080, i7 8700K or i5 9700K with that. Or buying a RTX 2080 Ti with an i9 9900K.


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post Mar 15 2019, 08:20 AM

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Now that the system requirement for TW3K is out..

Should I spend a bit more for 2600X? Or just stick to 2600 and OC it to hell (but probably need to spend for aftermarket cooler).

My RX 580 should be around GTX 970/R9 Fury performance right?

PC Recommended Specifications

Expected around 45-55 FPS on campaign map and in a 1v1, 21 units vs 21 units battle, default graphics preset set to “High”, running at 1920×1080
Operating System: Windows 10 64 Bit
Processor: Intel i5-6600 | Ryzen 5 2600X
RAM: 8GB
Video Card: GTX 970 | R9 Fury X 4GB VRAM

PC 60 FPS+ Specifications

Expect 60 FPS+ on campaign map and in a 1v1, 21 units vs 21 units battle, default graphics preset set to “Ultra”, running at 1920×1080
Operating System: Windows 10 64 Bit
Processor: Intel® Core™ Intel i7-8700K
RAM: 8GB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

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dunhill1410
post Mar 15 2019, 09:54 AM

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Ryzen 5 2600 and 2600x are one in the same. However, 2600x are the higher binned overclocked chips which will overclock well, guaranteed. Then again I haven't seen anyone so far getting hiccups overclocking a Ryzen 5 2600. So once you overclock 2600, it will pretty much be the same as 2600x or the overclocked 2600x. But yea you would need an aftermarket cooler.

Aside from that, I am Jon Snow about Total War..
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post Mar 15 2019, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(dunhill1410 @ Mar 15 2019, 09:54 AM)
Ryzen 5 2600 and 2600x are one in the same. However, 2600x are the higher binned overclocked chips which will overclock well, guaranteed. Then again I haven't seen anyone so far getting hiccups overclocking a Ryzen 5 2600. So once you overclock 2600, it will pretty much be the same as 2600x or the overclocked 2600x. But yea you would need an aftermarket cooler.

Aside from that, I am Jon Snow about Total War..
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Already bought Ryzen setup. Will keep this thread for now for review. 😁
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post Mar 15 2019, 11:11 AM

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Well good luck on your gaming !
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post Mar 15 2019, 11:13 AM

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As a baseline for benchmarking later, this is my current performance playing Warhammer 2.


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post Mar 15 2019, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Mar 15 2019, 11:13 AM)
As a baseline for benchmarking later, this is my current performance playing Warhammer 2.


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post Mar 16 2019, 07:50 AM

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Okay. There's not much fps increase between i5 3570 and ryzen 2600 based on my few trial runs but there are now less stutter and the games are much smoother now.

Luckily the windows works right away though I made a mistake later reformating and reinstalling just to make sure no conflict in drivers whatsoever but it turns out my windows not cant be activated anymore. 😭

As my windows previously was digotal licence, I dont have a licence key and will have to buy a new one.

One thing though, I can only use 2 sata slot because of my graphic card. If I want to use other slots I may need to use shorter GPU.
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post Mar 16 2019, 10:25 AM

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As far as I know about Warhammer 2, quite CPU intensive ..you'd probably have better fps with an i3-7100 lol. But I hope the next game is more optimized for multi threaded application.

What mobo did you buy ? And how about using SATA extensions ?
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post Mar 16 2019, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(dunhill1410 @ Mar 16 2019, 10:25 AM)
As far as I know about Warhammer 2, quite CPU intensive ..you'd probably have better fps with an i3-7100 lol. But I hope the next game is more optimized for multi threaded application.

What mobo did you buy ? And how about using SATA extensions ?
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Gigabyte b450m S2H. Now I use my old 240gb ssd as boot and the new 480gb ssd as game data. My old still usable 500GB HDD is unusable. If I need more storage maybe I can use the M.2 slot?

You're right. Total War as a whole is both cpu and gpu intensive. They prefers Intel too due to higher ipc. CPU usage definately more than my other games (Skyrim, XCOM etc).

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post Mar 16 2019, 10:55 AM

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Its single core optimised game? Maybe should have gotten i3-8350k lol
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post Mar 16 2019, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Korra99 @ Mar 16 2019, 10:55 AM)
Its single core optimised game? Maybe should have gotten i3-8350k lol
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Actually Total War have used multicore since Shogun 2 for the campaign map. But on the battle map it uses core 0 more than other cores though as the current Warhammer 2 and Thrones of Brittania the games uses mostly 4 cores.

Yes. Using i3 will probably net higher fps but the game will stutter a lot. That's why originally I intended to go with i5 9400F since there are 6 cores.

It was my brother actually who poisoned me to go ryzen since he is using 2600 for a while, though he did not play Total War (he's shooter generation 😁).

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post Mar 16 2019, 11:37 AM

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That mobo should have 2 GPU slots. How big is the RX 580 that it's covering up your SATA ports lol
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post Mar 16 2019, 11:50 AM

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Sapphire nitro+ is pretty big. 😁

I can only use the bottom 2 slots.

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post Mar 16 2019, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(dunhill1410 @ Mar 15 2019, 09:54 AM)
Ryzen 5 2600 and 2600x are one in the same. However, 2600x are the higher binned overclocked chips which will overclock well, guaranteed. Then again I haven't seen anyone so far getting hiccups overclocking a Ryzen 5 2600. So once you overclock 2600, it will pretty much be the same as 2600x or the overclocked 2600x. But yea you would need an aftermarket cooler.

Aside from that, I am Jon Snow about Total War..
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I tried OC to 4.0 with 1.425 voltage. Runs well except it's around 85c-95c which might be a bit dangerous I think in the long run?

Havent tried with lower voltage though.
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post Mar 16 2019, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Mar 16 2019, 11:55 AM)
I tried OC to 4.0 with 1.425 voltage. Runs well except it's around 85c-95c which might be a bit dangerous I think in the long run?

Havent tried with lower voltage though.
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With the stock cooler or an aftermarket one ? And keep in mind that the VRM heatsink on that mobo isn't particularly good so you'd need a pretty good CPu cooler. 85-95 is very hot yeah. Then again unless it's a Strix mobo, going over 1.4 volts is a bad idea.
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post Mar 16 2019, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Mar 16 2019, 11:55 AM)
I tried OC to 4.0 with 1.425 voltage. Runs well except it's around 85c-95c which might be a bit dangerous I think in the long run?

Havent tried with lower voltage though.
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more voltage = more heat,
unless you're using your cpu to heat up the water, or as space heater, 85c of course not going to end well in the long run
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post Mar 16 2019, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(dunhill1410 @ Mar 16 2019, 12:27 PM)
With the stock cooler or an aftermarket one ? And keep in mind that the VRM heatsink on that mobo isn't particularly good so you'd need a pretty good CPu cooler. 85-95 is very hot yeah. Then again unless it's a Strix mobo, going over 1.4 volts is a bad idea.
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Stock. Not going to OC for the time being. Just testing how far can it go.
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post Mar 16 2019, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Mar 16 2019, 12:45 PM)
more voltage = more heat,
unless you're using your cpu to heat up the water, or as space heater, 85c of course not going to end well in the long run
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My old i5 was running at that heat during gaming with stock cooler. 😁

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